done to death locking

17 Mar 2006

does this ring any bells? for example
the thread down there somewhere that has been locked , if it has ever appeared on swinging heaven before i dont recall it, i may have posted on it but i dont recall it, lol

, its one of the best posts ive read recently and could see many replies being made to it, now when i logged on this morning i had no idea i was going to read that , i had no urge to go and search for the old post and certainly dont have the time to dig through the five zillion posts on here to try and find it, whats more with the thousand or so new members this site gets on a daily ,weekly, monthly or whatever it is basis, why the hell lock it, or have us older members said all that has to be said about everything already , it must be bloody frustrating for a newbie that sees that first post that makes them think yeah i want to post to find it locked!
still ......us oldies can sit back and say with a smug look "its been done to death" if a thread has been done to death then it will soon disappear off the bottom of the page, maybe locking stuff on page two would be a good idea not page one, give people a chance before a mod decides the value of a "new topic" for us, how can the by thier very position mods are not new to this site so could have tunnel vision of what appeals.
are we that short of bandwidth?
staggy

17 Mar 2006

I agree with you Staggy.
Some threads may be old hat to us, but to the new members it's all new.
We were all new once and we should all remember that!
I know the search button is supposed to be your friend, but sometimes a little slack should be cut.
Hugs, Alex x

17 Mar 2006

I understand where you are coming from.
I understand the confusion behind some threads being locked.
I agree that if it is a new angle or hasn't been done for ages and it generates new discussion with new people - why the hell lock it.
However, any aspect of judgement where an element of balance is required will always be wrong in someones eyes. The scales will always tip one way or the other and someone has to get the short measure.
Mods are not gods (though don't tell Sarge I told you so) - they are humans doing the best they can to keep the forum interesting to all. They sometimes have to make difficult calls and have to do so on their own judgement at th time.
I guess my point is - I also see the need for some/most "done to death" threads to be locked.
As you said..

Quote by wild rose and the stag
... when i logged on this morning i had now idea i was going to read that ....

Wouldn't it be a sad state of affairs if that was not the case and you knew pretty much what you were going to read:
When is a cock VWE debate.
Is there something wrong with my ad? Please help.
When are we going to start paying?
If no "done to death" threads were locked - what would the cafe look like?

17 Mar 2006

Speaking as a fairly recent newbie, it is difficult to come up with a new topic at the best of times only to find out it was done a few weeks previously or just a recurring theme ( eg joke threads ) and although the search facility is there, when you're new you're still trying to work your way around the place without going off searching for stuff. It's quite disheartening to see that your brilliant idea for a topic has already been done by the whole world and his dog and you get padlocked.
That said, I agree some topics do need locking but doing it on page 2 as Staggy suggested is a better idea. I think I better shut up now bolt

17 Mar 2006

im not asking for no locking im suggesting leaving it till page two and then the members decide the value, ok i know mods are not god like and have a difficult job , i see no where that im suggesting anything but, im not slagging them off am i?
i remember being new on here and how i looked for a post to reply to that i felt confident enough about that i wouldnt screw up, ive been a member of a thread that dragged people onto the forum just because of no one ever put anyone down and positively welcomed newbies, no matter what they typed , bollox or not we all have to start somewhere, they say your first thousand words on a forum are rubbish, lol its the first word thats the hard one though,
please dont jump on a topic so quick give it till it goes off the page then lock it, face it if it says shaved or not shaved in the title you dont need to click on it do you? so hardly a problem, lets not get any further down the road of being so far up our own arses we forget we were all new once, the only benefit i can see by locking a thread so quickly is it shows the power of the mods here, its become almost a haha joke to lock stuff lately , even threads started about being a member of the locked thread club ffs,
give threads a breaK BEFORE THEY GET -- LOCKED
no offence intended anyone
staggy
xx

17 Mar 2006

Can I polish your soapbox now Sir? :giggle: bolt

17 Mar 2006

Quote by wild rose and the stag
does this ring any bells? for example
the thread down there somewhere that has been locked , if it has ever appeared on swinging heaven before i dont recall it, i may have posted on it but i dont recall it, , its one of the best posts ive read recently and could see many replies being made to it, now when i logged on this morning i had no idea i was going to read that , i had no urge to go and search for the old post and certainly dont have the time to dig through the five zillion posts on here to try and find it, whats more with the thousand or so new members this site gets on a daily ,weekly, monthly or whatever it is basis, why the hell lock it, or have us older members said all that has to be said about everything already , it must be bloody frustrating for a newbie that sees that first post that makes them think yeah i want to post to find it locked!
still ......us oldies can sit back and say with a smug look "its been done to death" if a thread has been done to death then it will soon disappear off the bottom of the page, maybe locking stuff on page two would be a good idea not page one, give people a chance before a mod decides the value of a "new topic" for us, how can the by thier very position mods are not new to this site so could have tunnel vision of what appeals.
are we that short of bandwidth?
staggy

staggy it was locked within 3 mins of me posting it with no explanation as to why it was locked if it had been done before then a brief explanation from a mod or admin saying so wouldnt have gone a miss as a relaive newbie on here i dont know what has or has not been done and it would take too long to wade thro 500 pages of posting to find out
confused

daz

17 Mar 2006

Quote by dpg230272
staggy it was locked within 3 mins of me posting it with no explanation as to why it was locked if it had been done before then a brief explanation from a mod or admin saying so wouldnt have gone a miss as a relaive newbie on here i dont know what has or has not been done and it would take too long to wade thro 500 pages of posting to find out

daz

17 Mar 2006

Quote by freckledbird

staggy it was locked within 3 mins of me posting it with no explanation as to why it was locked if it had been done before then a brief explanation from a mod or admin saying so wouldnt have gone a miss as a relaive newbie on here i dont know what has or has not been done and it would take too long to wade thro 500 pages of posting to find out

daz

17 Mar 2006

Quote by dpg230272

staggy it was locked within 3 mins of me posting it with no explanation as to why it was locked if it had been done before then a brief explanation from a mod or admin saying so wouldnt have gone a miss as a relaive newbie on here i dont know what has or has not been done and it would take too long to wade thro 500 pages of posting to find out

daz

You put at the bottom of the post that Sarge was to lock it if it had been done !
It's one of those threads that doesn't really need to be open - nothing to resolve, not a query, no opinions asked for. It's still there for people to look at if they want to.
too true frecklebird so i did and i appreciate what your saying but just a short note saying done to death wouldnt go a miss would it
daz
Surely it was obvious - you gave him the option to lock if it had been done. It was locked, so just assume that it's been done. Why should the mod make more work for him/herself?

17 Mar 2006

fair point fb ill shut up now and go away and sulk on my own in my own little corner
:upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset:
daz
thanks wrats for sticking up for me lol

:thumbup:

17 Mar 2006

The only trouble with the search button on a forum this big is that it don't matter what you search for you get page after page after page of results, to have to spend ages reading loads and loads of threads before opening a new one can be a bit disheartening sooooo
maybe unless its a stupid thread like "rate my pictures" how big a dick you like" ect it might be a good idea to leave it be........... even if it goes to the second page... why lock it, if its of no interest to us older members then it will either get used by newer members that haven't seen it before or just just vanish of the first few pages...
I just think its not really fair of us to say to newer members, sorry you can't make that thread because us older members have seen it before, what do you think?
And yes i do think the mods do a great job and there doing well following the guidelines set by the upper level. but maybe them guidelines should maybe changed just slightly for the newer members?
Just think of this, a new member just payed his money, thinks of a great thread that might be of interest, does a search but finds 500+ results,, do you really expect him to spend the next 2 hours reading through them all?
Just my opinion here, not getting at anyone and not saying the mods do a bad job as i think they do a great job and the site wouldn't be the same without them
but please, give the newbies a chance to become accepted !
Shaz x

17 Mar 2006

Quote by dpg230272

staggy it was locked within 3 mins of me posting it with no explanation as to why it was locked if it had been done before then a brief explanation from a mod or admin saying so wouldnt have gone a miss as a relaive newbie on here i dont know what has or has not been done and it would take too long to wade thro 500 pages of posting to find out

daz

You put at the bottom of the post that Sarge was to lock it if it had been done !
It's one of those threads that doesn't really need to be open - nothing to resolve, not a query, no opinions asked for. It's still there for people to look at if they want to.
too true frecklebird so i did and i appreciate what your saying but just a short note saying done to death wouldnt go a miss would it
daz
Sarge didn't need to explain why he locked it really......you did by just saying if it had been done (which it has many times)..lock it....simple as that! wink

17 Mar 2006

Quote by wild rose and the stag
im not asking for no locking im suggesting leaving it till page two and then the members decide the value, ok i know mods are not god like and have a difficult job , i see no where that im suggesting anything but, im not slagging them off am ?

No you are not slagging them off and it was not my intention to suggest you were. I was merely trying to add an element of balance for other readers.
As I see it - there are pro's and con's to letting posts ride until they drop off of the page.
The main con's being....
A - they don't always drop off of the page - they encourage the same comments to be repeated over and over and over and over again. Usually not because they are interesting comments - they are usually just easy to make comments.
B - they get hi-jacked and turn into a personal natter between a few people that means bob-diddley-squat to anyone else.
C - people learn by what they see and if all they see is a flood of "how do I get my wife to do anal" type threads - it has the potential to encourage more of the same.
I also agree some threads shouldn't be locked - but that is my personal opinion on some specific threads. I beleive it is better for some people to be disappointed than have a blanket policy that risks the cafe being filled with shit whilst we wait for people to get bored with adding more shite to it before it falls off of the first page.

17 Mar 2006

Quote by PoloLady
I beleive it is better for some people to be disappointed than have a blanket policy that risks the cafe being filled with shit whilst we wait for people to get bored with adding more shite to it before it falls off of the first page.

Absolutely.

17 Mar 2006

Quote by da69ve

staggy it was locked within 3 mins of me posting it with no explanation as to why it was locked if it had been done before then a brief explanation from a mod or admin saying so wouldnt have gone a miss as a relaive newbie on here i dont know what has or has not been done and it would take too long to wade thro 500 pages of posting to find out

daz

You put at the bottom of the post that Sarge was to lock it if it had been done !
It's one of those threads that doesn't really need to be open - nothing to resolve, not a query, no opinions asked for. It's still there for people to look at if they want to.
too true frecklebird so i did and i appreciate what your saying but just a short note saying done to death wouldnt go a miss would it
daz
Sarge didn't need to explain why he locked it really......you did by just saying if it had been done (which it has many times)..lock it....simple as that! wink

ive found a large hole ........................geronimo lol

daz

17 Mar 2006

Quote by freckledbird
I beleive it is better for some people to be disappointed than have a blanket policy that risks the cafe being filled with shit whilst we wait for people to get bored with adding more shite to it before it falls off of the first page.

Absolutely.
Agreed :thumbup:
shite like...
rate my pictures
i don't get reply's
do women like bigger dicks
1/2 my post's lol

ext.
yup all that sort of stuff is shit and should be locked
shaz x

17 Mar 2006

Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
maybe unless its a stupid thread like "rate my pictures" how big a dick you like" ect it might be a good idea to leave it be........... even if it goes to the second page... why lock it, if its of no interest to us older members then it will either get used by newer members that haven't seen it before or just just vanish of the first few pages...
Shaz x

my point exactly , i just cant see what locking "done to deaths "achieves , those that dont want to read the topic dont read it, its not like the forum is bursting with brilliance and there isnt room for a bit of rubbish is it, take a look at the recent posts on here , over the last few months you have to wade through specific meet up requests constantly to get to the juicy stuff, in fact you could say being a swinging site that the juicy stuff gets in the way but who am i to judge good and bad posting, just like anyone else on here it is simply not our job to be the judges of good and bad topics, or even how repetitive they are, let them take their natural course off the page it doesnt take long does it theres dozens of new posts an hour now the good ones or should i say popular ones will hang around the rest will go let the members decide which to keep
alternatively take no notice and stick with the tried and tested if the mods say so it must be right , i know for a fact there is a fear element of posting on this site , that should not be the case , redicule of newbies posts or anyones for that matter should not happen ever imo, but still my opinion is just one of many on here that counts for little ,
heres the easy route for members of this site
agree with the popular posters
agree with mods
defend mods when they are not being attacked
defend admin because it can do no wrong
dont have a voice except when it is to say this is heaven
rules get made and adapted to suit the enviroment, the enviroment here has changed , there are many more newbies now than once before , embrace them because they wont stopp comming or piss them off by locking their threads or threads they may have posted on because they werent here two years ago when the subject was last discussed.
when this site was taken over admin made changes , new ideas came along and at first we said whooooa , they persisted with the changes and are open to new ideas , why because they know things werent quite the heaven they wanted here , more changes will come im sure they are not going to rest on their laurels , this is not whinging its debate about the forum , im open to debate , dont consider it anything else.
mods all i ask is give my suggestion some thought , and ask your selves what locking actually achieves in a sensible thought through way.
staggy

17 Mar 2006

lock it bilko , im fed up with bothering
thanks

17 Mar 2006

Quote by wild rose and the stag
lock it bilko , im fed up with bothering
thanks

I haven't locked ANYTHING today!! confused

17 Mar 2006

. . . . . 'day ain't over yet

17 Mar 2006

Quote by Sgt Bilko
I haven't locked ANYTHING today!!

I have but I've dealt with it in pm dunno

http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/74257.html

17 Mar 2006

the only problem that i would have with what you said staggy is that wouldn't it turn into "de ja vu all over again" and after for example if a topic fell off page 1 (which at the moment is 24-48 hrs) wouldn't that give license for someone to just ask the same question again...... to which we would end up with the situation that we would all be tempted to say "the search button is your friend"
catch 22 and a very fine line for the mods to walk..........
but overall i do agree with most of what you said.......
that is why i sent one of the people who had there thread locked a pm and ended up having a good converstaion with a newbie member.......
sean xxxxxx

17 Mar 2006

Quote by wild rose and the stag
give threads a breaK BEFORE THEY GET -- LOCKED

Yep I agree in principle. But I also know from what I've seen on here, those threads don't drop off to page 2 - they are on page one for ages because people get fed up with the 'same same' threads and then post to complain, then the thread starter defends it, then out come the forum police and a the thread is nowt but an argument, totally off the original topic.
Now times that by god knows how many a day and you're left with a page 1 full of arguments about 'been there done that'

Quote by wild rose and the stag
heres the easy route for members of this site
agree with the popular posters
agree with mods
defend mods when they are not being attacked
defend admin because it can do no wrong
dont have a voice except when it is to say this is heaven

I always stand by my actions, whether it be to defend them or apologise for them. From what you've written there, it looks like you're telling me I expect everyone else to do that for me - and you're completely wrong there I'm afraid.

Quote by wild rose and the stag
lock it bilko , im fed up with bothering
thanks

Did you want a debate, or a thread full of agreement? Like I said, I agree with you in principle, but sadly it doesn't work that way.
Classic example - look at the Lets meet up forum, not sure about these days, cos haven't been in there much. But it was (probably still is) always headed with some poor sod doing a half liner, followed by 5 pages of people taking the piss. All the good ads/posts fell off to page two, not really fair to the people who have made the effort to write a good thread sad

17 Mar 2006

It was me who locked it.
Done to death justifying.
Done to death explaining.
cool

17 Mar 2006

Quote by Jags
It was me who locked it.
Done to death justifying.
Done to death explaining.

and it matters which mod it was ??
thats the bit i was waiting for when i said lock it bilko, you see missy there is no debate to be had is there,
do i give a shit which mod it was that locked the thread NO of course i dont , this is not an attack on you as mods ffs its just a suggestion , but it has been met with the usual response,
stop having a go at etc
thank you to those that could see what the post was for and gave reasoned good argument back,
wild rose and the stag wrote:
heres the easy route for members of this site
agree with the popular posters
agree with mods
defend mods when they are not being attacked
defend admin because it can do no wrong
dont have a voice except when it is to say this is heaven
to which missy said"
I always stand by my actions, whether it be to defend them or apologise for them. From what you've written there, it looks like you're telling me I expect everyone else to do that for me - and you're completely wrong there I'm afraid. "
of course im not telling you that , believe me maybe in your capacity as a mod you dont see it from where im sitting but if you want an easy life on here do as i suggest, dare to speak up and get accused of having a go lol
staggy
xx
ps thanks for the pms of support,

17 Mar 2006

It's a joke, yes??
rotflmao

17 Mar 2006

Staggy please bear in mind that admin might also be locking threads, not just mods.
Mods are members too that just happen to have different buttons, we sometimes act on impulse and lock a thread. Sometimes we discuss what to do with a thread first.
We are only human and can't always get it right but we do try.
We miss a thread and you'll see
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We lock a thread too early and someone complains dunno

17 Mar 2006

Couple of points Iâ€™d like to make.
If someone does do a search on a topic and get 500 responses, without reading all of them, wouldnâ€™t common sense then kick in and say it has already been done 500 times? So why do it again and whinge if itâ€™s locked?
Who does gardening? You have some options about weeds in your garden.
One option would be to kill off the weeds before they appear (in other words, newbies read the help topics and learn what works and what doesnâ€™t).
You could wait until the weeds appear and get rid of them as soon as possible, before they spore more weeds, which means your garden looks nicer for longer â€“ that equates to a thread being locked sooner rather than later, so it doesnâ€™t attract inappropriate comments or copycat threads by newbies who think that is the way to go.
You could let the weeds grow and then later on, pull them up. However, by leaving them they would have spored and you would then have more weeds to deal with later. It also means your garden wont look as attractive with all these weeds all over it. Thatâ€™s what happens if you leave a post to â€˜drop off the front The forums get full of these threads going nowhere about nothing. Others see that a certain subject, crap or not, gets more comments on it so think they should post crap as well, just to get a response. And so it goes on and on and on andâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.. you get the picture?
So you can see the reasoning behind the locking of certain threads. Donâ€™t forget, if these have been done before, no-one has any problem whatsoever if the original thread is dusted down and brought back out for further comments to be made, because they would be new comments on an old topic, but we donâ€™t have old comments made by new people, they post something new which will stimulate debate.
The idea of â€œyou donâ€™t have to read it if itâ€™s already been doneâ€ also means that you look at a forum full of threads you donâ€™t want to read, then the regulars decide itâ€™s not worth logging on because there are too many weeds and not enough flowers!!
So donâ€™t shoot the gardener if he leaves the weeds and donâ€™t shoot him if he getâ€™s rid of them!
Can I just add that this shouldnâ€™t be a â€˜them and usâ€™ argument, Members vs Mods, Mods vs Members, how about coming up with constructive answers to a problem which is workable? The Mods deal with a problem as best they can, but if you, as in any member, can come up with the definitive answer, Iâ€™m sure they would be happy to implement it.
Mal
wink

17 Mar 2006

Good analogy there Mal biggrin