eBay warning

28 Mar 2005

I agree that we are doing people aout of a job with electronics - me probably included. I don't agree with microchips in your arm and the rest of the Big Brother stuff. But I think it is upto us to decide what we want to use and what we don't. I would far rather speak to a person on the phone so i refuse to deal with electronic answering services. I will use the net to buy stuff but I want a PERSON not a computer to answer emails or phone calls if I have problem.
As for used panties, why can't we sell them surely whoever buys them should have calculated the risk?? lol

28 Mar 2005

Quote by bollocks
Uhuru I agree with you when you say its up to people to weigh up the risk etc, I weigh them up and dont use Paypal, simple lol
Oh and frecklenbird re:the microchips, if by 'perspective' you want to convince yourself something isnt happening and ongoing right now because you dont know about it then fine, it doesnt however change the fact that the plan is for the electronic society to be the standard (you can actually pay $50 to have one put in now, the company is called Applied Digital solutions and they will gladly 'give you one', Prince Charles and his lads have them)
The companies behind this technology have over the last 2 years started trying to market this stuff as 'cool' etc by targetting clubgoers at nighclubs (vip clubs) that to gain entry you have to have a microchip in your arm, again it is being sold via the 'its cool, its convienient' methodology
As for chips in your groceries etc?, well again companies from Benetton to Gillette have all started to put these things in their products, they have faced some opposition from groups but it is only a matter of time before they are in everything, it is what the multinationals want and it will happen, they have even been caught putting them in US dollars too
The sad thing is we have shelf stackers at various stores whom will be putting these products onto the shelves not realising they are actually setting themselves up to be fired...who will need shop assistants when you can just walk in, take it off the shelf and walk right out with it, the money is debitted from your bank account via the micro chip in your arm and hey presto its all great isnt it?, all 'convienient'?
On a separate note, does anyone else find it amusing that Ebay wontlet you sell used panties etc? lol :shock:

Perspective has nothing to do with whether something is happening or not or even whether I know about it. I just think that you're over reacting to something which started off as a warning to people of the possible danger of clicking on a dodgy link to a pseudo ebay page.
I don't give a toss if Charles et al have these chips or if they are in my groceries, because there's bugger all I can do about it if that's what the multinationals want - they have far more influence than I.
I want to eat/shop/socialise so I have to move with the times and embrace 'progress' in whatever form it takes to make my life enjoyable or at least tolerable. I might get conned along the way; people have been conned for thousands of years and that's not going to change. It's just the nature and scale of the cons that are different.

28 Mar 2005

Quote by bollocks
Uhuru I agree with you when you say its up to people to weigh up the risk etc, I weigh them up and dont use Paypal, simple lol
Oh and frecklenbird re:the microchips, if by 'perspective' you want to convince yourself something isnt happening and ongoing right now because you dont know about it then fine, it doesnt however change the fact that the plan is for the electronic society to be the standard (you can actually pay $50 to have one put in now, the company is called Applied Digital solutions and they will gladly 'give you one', Prince Charles and his lads have them)
The companies behind this technology have over the last 2 years started trying to market this stuff as 'cool' etc by targetting clubgoers at nighclubs (vip clubs) that to gain entry you have to have a microchip in your arm, again it is being sold via the 'its cool, its convienient' methodology
As for chips in your groceries etc?, well again companies from Benetton to Gillette have all started to put these things in their products, they have faced some opposition from groups but it is only a matter of time before they are in everything, it is what the multinationals want and it will happen, they have even been caught putting them in US dollars too
The sad thing is we have shelf stackers at various stores whom will be putting these products onto the shelves not realising they are actually setting themselves up to be fired...who will need shop assistants when you can just walk in, take it off the shelf and walk right out with it, the money is debitted from your bank account via the micro chip in your arm and hey presto its all great isnt it?, all 'convienient'?
On a separate note, does anyone else find it amusing that Ebay wontlet you sell used panties etc? lol :shock:

Some good points and I'm not going to argue with you as you are probably right but what is the alternative - society 50 years ago was fine if you fitted in where you were but hell if like most people on here you had alternative views on things.
The electronic society allows people to do their own thing anonymously and without having to face people who will whisper and gossip. Most people worry more about their kids school teacher or their neighbour knowing their business than a faceless computer.
All things have their upsides and downsides only time will tell - maybe 2084? :shock:
Roger the Dragon cool

28 Mar 2005

Quote by rogerthedragon
Uhuru I agree with you when you say its up to people to weigh up the risk etc, I weigh them up and dont use Paypal, simple lol
Oh and frecklenbird re:the microchips, if by 'perspective' you want to convince yourself something isnt happening and ongoing right now because you dont know about it then fine, it doesnt however change the fact that the plan is for the electronic society to be the standard (you can actually pay $50 to have one put in now, the company is called Applied Digital solutions and they will gladly 'give you one', Prince Charles and his lads have them)
The companies behind this technology have over the last 2 years started trying to market this stuff as 'cool' etc by targetting clubgoers at nighclubs (vip clubs) that to gain entry you have to have a microchip in your arm, again it is being sold via the 'its cool, its convienient' methodology
As for chips in your groceries etc?, well again companies from Benetton to Gillette have all started to put these things in their products, they have faced some opposition from groups but it is only a matter of time before they are in everything, it is what the multinationals want and it will happen, they have even been caught putting them in US dollars too
The sad thing is we have shelf stackers at various stores whom will be putting these products onto the shelves not realising they are actually setting themselves up to be fired...who will need shop assistants when you can just walk in, take it off the shelf and walk right out with it, the money is debitted from your bank account via the micro chip in your arm and hey presto its all great isnt it?, all 'convienient'?
On a separate note, does anyone else find it amusing that Ebay wontlet you sell used panties etc? lol :shock:

Some good points and I'm not going to argue with you as you are probably right but what is the alternative - society 50 years ago was fine if you fitted in where you were but hell if like most people on here you had alternative views on things.
The electronic society allows people to do their own thing anonymously and without having to face people who will whisper and gossip. Most people worry more about their kids school teacher or their neighbour knowing their business than a faceless computer.
All things have their upsides and downsides only time will tell - maybe 2084? :shock:
Roger the Dragon cool

The problem is that computers aren't faceless. There is always going to be someone who can access your password or PIN number. Simple answer is if you want to keep it private keep it in your head. Till they microchip that too.

28 Mar 2005

Quote by rogerthedragon
Most people worry more about their kids school teacher... knowing their business than a faceless computer.
Roger the Dragon

They come in and tell me Roger
lol

28 Mar 2005

Quote by rogerthedragon
Some good points and I'm not going to argue with you as you are probably right but what is the alternative - society 50 years ago was fine if you fitted in where you were but hell if like most people on here you had alternative views on things.
The electronic society allows people to do their own thing anonymously and without having to face people who will whisper and gossip. Most people worry more about their kids school teacher or their neighbour knowing their business than a faceless computer.
All things have their upsides and downsides only time will tell - maybe 2084? :shock:
Roger the Dragon

Rog mate, the convenience tag is merely the grease on the wheels to get it through 'it' being the plan to have each and every human tagged and bagged, the ability to know EVERYTHING you do, where you go, what you think all via RFID chips
Once the control grid is inplace then you wont be able to merely opt out it will indeed be the beast system (a term I am hesitent to use purley because it gives off a bollocks air of bible bashing which is not my thing at all), once it is in place then the ruling classes (like never before) willl be able to herd us into whatever crap they have instore for is, all thanks to us subscribing to this convenient technology
Yes it does offer convenince but it also offers unlimited control powers to whichever tyranny is in power at the time, shit soviet russia/nazi germany would have loved even one tenth of that which is on offer right here, in truth we are dealing with the same people
The point is we have politicians alot of whom have stated that even such things as free thought should be considered a privilege not a right, that how we think...human mental telemetry should be controlled, and what do we see now as per Huxleys Brave New World that depicted a society controlled by drugs programs (SOMA tablets) etc?, what do we see?? we see a society that is ever more closing down on free speech and those that oppose it are labled terrorists, those that oppose the teachings of current governemnts are labled troublemakers and targetted underthings such as the US patriot act with FBI directives such as project Megido which targets homeschoolers as terrorist groups (hey google it if you dont believe me folks) and.....those that disagree and feel depressed with such a society are forced to take drugs with names such as oooh lets see....SOMA (as per the drug mentioned earlier from Huxleys book), yes people you couldnt make this up!
It is not about convenience, that is merely the ticket on which this stuff gets sold, it is waht it allows (in terms of control) the tyranny in power do do to us
We are not talking about convenice in the same narrow context as microwaving your tea, see?

28 Mar 2005

If u receive an email saying it's from eBay and u have any doubts - just forward it to their dedicated "spoof" email address. This happened to me - they were v quick coming back with advice - i.e. wot to do if u did or didnt click on the link on the original e-mail. They have also set up their own internal messaging system - so now if there is a prob with yr account it's usually flagged up internally when u sign in to the ebay site.

28 Mar 2005

Quote by bollocks
Some good points and I'm not going to argue with you as you are probably right but what is the alternative - society 50 years ago was fine if you fitted in where you were but hell if like most people on here you had alternative views on things.
The electronic society allows people to do their own thing anonymously and without having to face people who will whisper and gossip. Most people worry more about their kids school teacher or their neighbour knowing their business than a faceless computer.
All things have their upsides and downsides only time will tell - maybe 2084? :shock:
Roger the Dragon

Rog mate, the convenience tag is merely the grease on the wheels to get it through 'it' being the plan to have each and every human tagged and bagged, the ability to know EVERYTHING you do, where you go, what you think all via RFID chips
Once the control grid is inplace then you wont be able to merely opt out it will indeed be the beast system (a term I am hesitent to use purley because it gives off a bollocks air of bible bashing which is not my thing at all), once it is in place then the ruling classes (like never before) willl be able to herd us into whatever crap they have instore for is, all thanks to us subscribing to this convenient technology
Yes it does offer convenince but it also offers unlimited control powers to whichever tyranny is in power at the time, shit soviet russia/nazi germany would have loved even one tenth of that which is on offer right here, in truth we are dealing with the same people
The point is we have politicians alot of whom have stated that even such things as free thought should be considered a privilege not a right, that how we think...human mental telemetry should be controlled, and what do we see now as per Huxleys Brave New World that depicted a society controlled by drugs programs (SOMA tablets) etc?, what do we see?? we see a society that is ever more closing down on free speech and those that oppose it are labled terrorists, those that oppose the teachings of current governemnts are labled troublemakers and targetted underthings such as the US patriot act with FBI directives such as project Megido which targets homeschoolers as terrorist groups (hey google it if you dont believe me folks) and.....those that disagree and feel depressed with such a society are forced to take drugs with names such as oooh lets see....SOMA (as per the drug mentioned earlier from Huxleys book), yes people you couldnt make this up!
It is not about convenience, that is merely the ticket on which this stuff gets sold, it is waht it allows (in terms of control) the tyranny in power do do to us
We are not talking about convenice in the same narrow context as microwaving your tea, see?
Thing is, you're over reacting and I don't think people actually worry that much, see?
This isn't a political forum and this is getting a bit heavy, don't you think?
Jags gave a friendly warning to people to be wary of a dodgy 'ebay' scam, that's all. Chill. lol

28 Mar 2005

Quote by bollocks
Some good points and I'm not going to argue with you as you are probably right but what is the alternative - society 50 years ago was fine if you fitted in where you were but hell if like most people on here you had alternative views on things.
The electronic society allows people to do their own thing anonymously and without having to face people who will whisper and gossip. Most people worry more about their kids school teacher or their neighbour knowing their business than a faceless computer.
All things have their upsides and downsides only time will tell - maybe 2084? :shock:
Roger the Dragon

Rog mate, the convenience tag is merely the grease on the wheels to get it through 'it' being the plan to have each and every human tagged and bagged, the ability to know EVERYTHING you do, where you go, what you think all via RFID chips
Once the control grid is inplace then you wont be able to merely opt out it will indeed be the beast system (a term I am hesitent to use purley because it gives off a bollocks air of bible bashing which is not my thing at all), once it is in place then the ruling classes (like never before) willl be able to herd us into whatever crap they have instore for is, all thanks to us subscribing to this convenient technology
Yes it does offer convenince but it also offers unlimited control powers to whichever tyranny is in power at the time, shit soviet russia/nazi germany would have loved even one tenth of that which is on offer right here, in truth we are dealing with the same people
The point is we have politicians alot of whom have stated that even such things as free thought should be considered a privilege not a right, that how we think...human mental telemetry should be controlled, and what do we see now as per Huxleys Brave New World that depicted a society controlled by drugs programs (SOMA tablets) etc?, what do we see?? we see a society that is ever more closing down on free speech and those that oppose it are labled terrorists, those that oppose the teachings of current governemnts are labled troublemakers and targetted underthings such as the US patriot act with FBI directives such as project Megido which targets homeschoolers as terrorist groups (hey google it if you dont believe me folks) and.....those that disagree and feel depressed with such a society are forced to take drugs with names such as oooh lets see....SOMA (as per the drug mentioned earlier from Huxleys book), yes people you couldnt make this up!
It is not about convenience, that is merely the ticket on which this stuff gets sold, it is waht it allows (in terms of control) the tyranny in power do do to us
We are not talking about convenice in the same narrow context as microwaving your tea, see?
I've never felt Ebay or Paypal controlled anyone. Are we getting off topic here? I would say car registration and tax is far more of a 'big brother' issue. How long before sat nav is used to pin point your every move? Or mobile phones? It can't be far off 100% of over 18s that have one. How long before they integrate them with some kind of ID card system?
We could get scared by all this. But why? The authorities can already track us where necessary by millions of different means, whether we consider it necessary or not.

28 Mar 2005

Quote by freckledbird
Thing is, you're over reacting and I don't think people actually worry that much, see?
This isn't a political forum and this is getting a bit heavy, don't you think?
Jags gave a friendly warning to people to be wary of a dodgy 'ebay' scam, that's all. Chill.

Heavy, not really, its the cafe forum and I from what I have read there would sem to be more than a few guys here into this stuff
Frecklebird, which part of is overreacting?, which part is NOT happening right now? which part dosent have statements from politicians and CEOs of tech companies to back my previous posts up?
Overreacting?, yeah like boming the crap out of fuck nows how many afghans/iraqis with fuck all evidence was overreacting maybe? (same people behind the RFID chips/electronic society with the same motivation for invading central asia before you ask 'what that has to do with anything'), but hey who cares that was several years ago right?, I agree with you lets move on biggrin

28 Mar 2005

Quote by bollocks
Thing is, you're over reacting and I don't think people actually worry that much, see?
This isn't a political forum and this is getting a bit heavy, don't you think?
Jags gave a friendly warning to people to be wary of a dodgy 'ebay' scam, that's all. Chill.

Heavy, not really, its the cafe forum and I from what I have read there would sem to be more than a few guys here into this stuff
Frecklebird, which part of is overreacting?, which part is NOT happening right now? which part dosent have statements from politicians and CEOs of tech companies to back my previous posts up?
Overreacting?, yeah like boming the crap out of fuck nows how many afghans/iraqis with fuck all evidence was overreacting maybe? (same people behind the RFID chips/electronic society with the same motivation for invading central asia before you ask 'what that has to do with anything'), but hey who cares that was several years ago right?, I agree with you lets move on biggrin

Yeah, chill :lol:

28 Mar 2005

Quote by uhuru
I've never felt Ebay or Paypal controlled anyone. Are we getting off topic here? I would say car registration and tax is far more of a 'big brother' issue. How long before sat nav is used to pin point your every move? Or mobile phones? It can't be far off 100% of over 18s that have one. How long before they integrate them with some kind of ID card system?
We could get scared by all this. But why? The authorities can already track us where necessary by millions of different means, whether we consider it necessary or not.

Sat Nav/GPS, mobile phones??? they are exactly what I am talking about, and it is not 'how long' (because they are already used to track criminals etc) but rather how much more invasive will it get?
Uhuru that you take an unrestricted authoritarian society as 'an acceptable norm' somewhat proves my point, it is becasue we here have never been subject to a constitutional restricting of government that we do not question when such invasive tyranny comes along, we (as you have just done) simply say 'ah fuck it, its here what can we do'?????
That is my point, why should it be here?, it shouldnt!, we the people should not allow it, simple really!
There is no historical reson for it other than social control and it amazes me the number of people whom seem keen to permit such an action when infact such a control structure under a free society should never and could never be implemented

28 Mar 2005

Quote by freckledbird
Thing is, you're over reacting and I don't think people actually worry that much, see?
This isn't a political forum and this is getting a bit heavy, don't you think?
Jags gave a friendly warning to people to be wary of a dodgy 'ebay' scam, that's all. Chill.

Heavy, not really, its the cafe forum and I from what I have read there would sem to be more than a few guys here into this stuff
Frecklebird, which part of is overreacting?, which part is NOT happening right now? which part dosent have statements from politicians and CEOs of tech companies to back my previous posts up?
Overreacting?, yeah like boming the crap out of fuck nows how many afghans/iraqis with fuck all evidence was overreacting maybe? (same people behind the RFID chips/electronic society with the same motivation for invading central asia before you ask 'what that has to do with anything'), but hey who cares that was several years ago right?, I agree with you lets move on biggrin

Yeah, chill :lol:
I am actually off to bake a sponge in a moment (victoria sponge with blackcurrant jam), that may help :D

28 Mar 2005

Whatever - I'm not going to look at this thread now or I'll have bloody nightmares mad

28 Mar 2005

Quote by bollocks
I've never felt Ebay or Paypal controlled anyone. Are we getting off topic here? I would say car registration and tax is far more of a 'big brother' issue. How long before sat nav is used to pin point your every move? Or mobile phones? It can't be far off 100% of over 18s that have one. How long before they integrate them with some kind of ID card system?
We could get scared by all this. But why? The authorities can already track us where necessary by millions of different means, whether we consider it necessary or not.

Sat Nav/GPS, mobile phones??? they are exactly what I am talking about, and it is not 'how long' (because they are already used to track criminals etc) but rather how much more invasive will it get?
Uhuru that you take an unrestricted authoritarian society as 'an acceptable norm' somewhat proves my point, it is becasue we here have never been subject to a constitutional restricting of government that we do not question when such invasive tyranny comes along, we (as you have just done) simply say 'ah fuck it, its here what can we do'?????
That is my point, why should it be here?, it shouldnt!, we the people should not allow it, simple really!
There is no historical reson for it other than social control and it amazes me the number of people whom seem keen to permit such an action when infact such a control structure under a free society should never and could never be implemented
It shouldn't be here but it is. I don't like it any more than you. In 1837 when registrations of birth became compulsory people didn't like it and tried to avoid it. Now we accept it as the norm. My point is that we still have a choice in using electronic means. I don't have to use my mobile phone or my PC. I don't have to use cash machines or any other electronic finance. I could disappear into oblivion if I choose to, as could anyone else.
I prefer not to use these things but I don't believe electronic means of dealing with finance have suddenly introduced Big Brother to the world. The authorities have been following and checking up on us for years. Birth certificates, National Insurance numbers, National health numbers. Electoral role, etc etc. Believe me, it's far easier than you think to trace a person, without using computers or electronics of any kind.

28 Mar 2005

Quote by uhuru
It shouldn't be here but it is. I don't like it any more than you. In 1837 when registrations of birth became compulsory people didn't like it and tried to avoid it. Now we accept it as the norm. My point is that we still have a choice in using electronic means. I don't have to use my mobile phone or my PC. I don't have to use cash machines or any other electronic finance. I could disappear into oblivion if I choose to, as could anyone else.
I prefer not to use these things but I don't believe electronic means of dealing with finance have suddenly introduced Big Brother to the world. The authorities have been following and checking up on us for years. Birth certificates, National Insurance numbers, National health numbers. Electoral role, etc etc. Believe me, it's far easier than you think to trace a person, without using computers or electronics of any kind.

I like the way you claim you can vanish into thin air than go on to explain how it is far easier to trace without elecronic aids, yeah that must be way the CIA et al DONT use satellites and other electronic surveillence equipment via a network that DARPA call the Matrix, seriously Google it if you doubt me
Birth registrations (and all of the other examples) were not popular BUT WERE INTRODUCED ANYWAY as is integration into the EU (and soon to be NAFTA block) but nonetheless these things happened, my point exactly, and who benefitted outside of multinational globalism?, now what do we have? forced removal of blood samples from newborns in some countries for fuck all reason and even greater centralised government, great!
We dont actually have a choice at all at the more fundamental level that this stuff is phased in, when was the last time you tried getting gold instead of electronic money or the equally worthless bank notes (which are being phased out and when they were first introduced were met with protest that had to be quashed with the legal tender act) from the bank?, when was the last time you tried buying online with cash?, oh yeah you cant
No, you do not decide to subscribe to the methods of payment you use, you do however have a limited group of payment methods presented to you from which you can choose (not the same thing) thus implanting a feeling of choice where in reality there is none, true alice in wonderland stuff
Even if the points you made about conveinience were true that doesnt change the fact that there is no restriction, no regulation on governments having greater powers by using these electronic methods to spy on us, and to compound this these spying powers are increased after every terroisrt attack, attacks of which seem to benefit the same people whom push onto us the electronic society (the politicians, microchip companies etc), but hey it is all one big coincidence I suppose?
Of course it isnt, all of the avenues needed to get us to the final place that is 'the electronic slave society' are owned by the same people, whether the media (whatever side of the false left/right paradigm the sit) whom tell you this stuff will be good for your convenience, whether the politicians(same false left/right paradigm) whom start wars or the companies whom sell the weapons (Carlysle Group) or the companies that clean up (halliburton) after the war and not to mention the companies that benifit after the war has ended with industrial programs (the big pipeline from afghanistan to the caspian sea should give you a clue) all of the above are controlled by the same forces
Coincidence though?, and what does it matter as long as you can order a pizza online?

29 Mar 2005

Just HOW twatty can one thread get?
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