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Many interesting and thought provoking arguements.
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Education and Intelligence
Quote by kentswingers777
Just a passing thought
Isn’t someone that has had a good formal education or very well read just more knowledgeable?
Does knowledge equate to intelligence?
I personally don’t think so.
Well the English Dictionary says other wise.... Intelligence " the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills ". So sorry Minxy your above comment cannot be right.
If someone is knowledgable, then I would have thought it stood to reason, they were intelligent. Or.....to be intelligent is to have a sound knowledge. Sort of goes hand in hand.
Unless the English dictionary is wrong?
The dictionary is correct. As it says, intelligence is the application of knowledge. But you can have knowledge with no intelligence. You can have intelligence with no knowledge (but that is rare since everyone picks up info all the time). So, they aren't the same thing, they may not go hand in hand, BUT I would say that to be really useful, they need to both exist in the same person.
Knowledgeable does not indicate intelligent.
Oh and you absolutely do not need to have had formal education to be knowledgeable.
Then on that basis, anyone who says differently to that, is talking rubbish? :lol:
To have or to gain knowledge IS intelligence.....period.
What is your reasoning to think you are right?
As I think you are talking rubbish :lol:
As you so rightly quoted the dictionary " the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills = Intelligence
you have to AQUIRE and APPLY to = Intelligence
Just because someone acquires it does not make them intelligent in the dictionary.
It just means they are able to retain information, a bit like a computer.
Computers are programmed to retain information.
I believe it is the applying of knowledge that is the key factor, on how someone applies the information is what makes them intelligent.
It is ok having it. It is then what you do with it.
Quote by Calista
Education is having enough information to do something ... say operate a computer and join a forum.
Intelligence is knowing when to turn it off and walk away!
:giggle:
In that case I must be supremely unintelligent :grin:
To my mind, education is not so much a matter of simply imparting facts to someone, but more a case of giving them the method with which to continue to learn throughout life. After all, how many people remember everything they were taught at school? But if you ask someone to learn a new skill they should already know how to absorb and retain the required knowledge.
Interesting thread this. :thumbup:
Quote by Cubes
Education is having enough information to do something ... say operate a computer and join a forum.
Intelligence is knowing when to turn it off and walk away!
:giggle:
In that case I must be supremely unintelligent :grin:
To my mind, education is not so much a matter of simply imparting facts to someone, but more a case of giving them the method with which to continue to learn throughout life. After all, how many people remember everything they were taught at school? But if you ask someone to learn a new skill they should already know how to absorb and retain the required knowledge.
Interesting thread this. :thumbup:
I guess most people remember almost everything they were taught at school. They may not remember the mechanics of some things - such as complex algebraic expression but some things come much more easily to mind such as the use of manners - just that some choose not to use those social skills.
As for knowing how to absorb and retain the required knowledge, the body might be willing but the brain weak :lol2:
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I have a terrible memory. If it's not something I use every day then I don't retain the information. If it's not something I need to know then I don't retain the information. I know random stuff and there are other things that may be fairly common knowledge to some people but I've never heard of them. There are every day things that people read in the newspapers that I don't know about because I don't read newspapers. Does that make me less intelligent? Maybe it does, maybe it's just that we're all different and our intelligence comes in many different forms. :mrgreen:
I know sod all about politics and religion which is generally why I don't get involved in those kind of threads. If you don't know about a topic then it's great to read and learn but to contribute to things in a know-it-all manner when you clearly know nothing about them seems fairly stupid. Having an open mind to listen to other peoples views and opinions seems way smarter than a having a closed mind and dismissing other opinions because they don't match your own.
Common sense... I have some of that!
However, I have to add that I do remember that it wasn't school who taught me manners... it was my parents way before I even went to school. :wink:
I know sod all about politics and religion which is generally why I don't get involved in those kind of threads. If you don't know about a topic then it's great to read and learn but to contribute to things in a know-it-all manner when you clearly know nothing about them seems fairly stupid. Having an open mind to listen to other peoples views and opinions seems way smarter than a having a closed mind and dismissing other opinions because they don't match your own.
Common sense... I have some of that!
However, I have to add that I do remember that it wasn't school who taught me manners... it was my parents way before I even went to school. :wink:
Quote by Dirtygirlie
I have a terrible memory. If it's not something I use every day then I don't retain the information. If it's not something I need to know then I don't retain the information. I know random stuff and there are other things that may be fairly common knowledge to some people but I've never heard of them. There are every day things that people read in the newspapers that I don't know about because I don't read newspapers. Does that make me less intelligent? Maybe it does, maybe it's just that we're all different and our intelligence comes in many different forms. :mrgreen:
I know sod all about politics and religion which is generally why I don't get involved in those kind of threads. If you don't know about a topic then it's great to read and learn but to contribute to things in a know-it-all manner when you clearly know nothing about them seems fairly stupid. Having an open mind to listen to other peoples views and opinions seems way smarter than a having a closed mind and dismissing other opinions because they don't match your own.
Common sense... I have some of that!
However, I have to add that I do remember that it wasn't school who taught me manners... it was my parents way before I even went to school. :wink:
:shock: you could be my twin!
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Quote by Theladyisaminx
There is obviously no point in refering to a dictionary anymore, as people even pick holes in the definition.
I give up.
You give up :shock:
Is that you saying I agree?
Agree with what? Yes I agree that the English Dictionary is RIGHT. Shame that others seem to make their own interpretations of that. It is there in black and white for all to see.
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Quote by staffcple
Knowlege is having the information to argue.
Intelligence is knowing when to keep it to yourself!
Muhahahahahaha!
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Quote by kentswingers777
Knowlege is having the information to argue.
Intelligence is knowing when to keep it to yourself!
Muhahahahahaha!
I see no logic in that comment at all.
On that basis I would much rather have knowledge than intelligence any day.
Really?
I thought it rather profound for me, who incidentally has no formal qualifications. :wink:
Quote by staffcple
Knowlege is having the information to argue.
Intelligence is knowing when to keep it to yourself!
Muhahahahahaha!
I see no logic in that comment at all.
On that basis I would much rather have knowledge than intelligence any day.
Really?
I thought it rather profound for me, who incidentally has no formal qualifications. :wink:
Nor do I.
Still I KNOW you are an intelligent guy. So GCSE'S does not maketh a man. :wink:
I think intelligence is innate, and knowledge is gained.
You can be educated to a high standard in a particular field, but not be intelligent in any way,
Its easy to be taught facts and figures and formulas to be spouted out by rote, but if you lack the innate intelligence to retain and retrieve those facts and apply them where you need them, or to use the knowledge you have to solve problems and thing figuratively and laterally, then having that high level of education means diddly squat.
i could say that i have learned all about the human body from a book or course....i could have a degree in anatomy and physiology, but am I a surgeon?....no because I lack the intelligence to be able to apply what i learned from the written word to a real and living person, and to see why a something happens, or why if something happens to a) does it cause b) to happen to c).
i found this and think it sums it up for me.
But however you define it, it is clear that when we talk about intelligence we are talking about innate levels of mental ability. Intelligence is about how we know and how well we know, not about WHAT we know.
What confuses many people, I think, is that the intelligence tests we took at school often included general knowledge questions. These, of course, don't measure intelligence at all, since
you usually have to be a member of the same culture as the person asking the question in order to get the answer right. (A highly intelligent Kalahari Bushman is not likely to be able to answer a question about past US presidents, for example).
Knowledge is simply a collection of facts and understandings about the universe around us. We are born with a certain level of intelligence and very little knowledge. Our intelligence level stays much the same (though it can be affected a bit, either way, especially in childhood) but our store of knowledge keeps on increasing throughout our lives, especially if we take an interest in lots of things, read a lot and enjoy learning.
You can be educated to a high standard in a particular field, but not be intelligent in any way,
Its easy to be taught facts and figures and formulas to be spouted out by rote, but if you lack the innate intelligence to retain and retrieve those facts and apply them where you need them, or to use the knowledge you have to solve problems and thing figuratively and laterally, then having that high level of education means diddly squat.
i could say that i have learned all about the human body from a book or course....i could have a degree in anatomy and physiology, but am I a surgeon?....no because I lack the intelligence to be able to apply what i learned from the written word to a real and living person, and to see why a something happens, or why if something happens to a) does it cause b) to happen to c).
i found this and think it sums it up for me.
But however you define it, it is clear that when we talk about intelligence we are talking about innate levels of mental ability. Intelligence is about how we know and how well we know, not about WHAT we know.
What confuses many people, I think, is that the intelligence tests we took at school often included general knowledge questions. These, of course, don't measure intelligence at all, since
you usually have to be a member of the same culture as the person asking the question in order to get the answer right. (A highly intelligent Kalahari Bushman is not likely to be able to answer a question about past US presidents, for example).
Knowledge is simply a collection of facts and understandings about the universe around us. We are born with a certain level of intelligence and very little knowledge. Our intelligence level stays much the same (though it can be affected a bit, either way, especially in childhood) but our store of knowledge keeps on increasing throughout our lives, especially if we take an interest in lots of things, read a lot and enjoy learning.
To take this right back to basics, you have to look at the evolution of mankind. When early humans started on the slippery slope to the top of the pile their brains were small, and had very little ability to process information. The first archaeological signs of intelligence occurred about 2 million years ago when humans created tools for specific purposes. Some animals do this, but the difference due to evolution is that humans learnt to keep those tools to be used again. Animals do not do this. Archaeology shows that the knowledge of particular tools spread, denoting education i.e. an individual watching and copying another. As humans were then able to increase the quality and quantity of food intake, their bodies and brains increased in power and created the basis of intelligence. It could be said that education created intelligence. As I've said before, education is quantifiable and intelligence is comparative, It's only our modern definitions that lead to dispute as to the true nature of intelligence. Education can be precisely measured through formal learning, sensory information and life experiences, which are all forms of education. How we process and use that knowledge would appear to be definable intelligence.
lmao @ staffs
"What actually is intelligence then? Well until recently, the way most people understood it was that it is the ability to think logically, clearly, laterally if necessary (i.e. to be able to solve problems in novel and creative ways) and to be able to grasp concepts easily and be able to make connections between them.
In 1995, Daniel Goleman came up with the idea that there was also another sort of intelligence called emotional intelligence' which was the ability to understand and control one's feelings and postpone gratification. Since then, a whole lot more kinds of intelligence have been suggested, leading to the theory that we are all endowed to a greater or a lesser degree with not just one but many different types of intelligence. This is known as the theory of multiple intelligences'. Here's a recent list of different sorts of intelligence:
Kinaesthetic (Body Smart)
Linguistic (Word Smart)
Logical (Number Smart)
Interpersonal (People Smart)
Intrapersonal (Myself Smart)
Musical (Music Smart)
Visual/Spatial (Picture Smart)
Naturalistic (Nature Smart)"
we could be intelligent in just one or two of these areas.....or maybe all of them
i reckon im intelligent in 4 or 5 of them
"What actually is intelligence then? Well until recently, the way most people understood it was that it is the ability to think logically, clearly, laterally if necessary (i.e. to be able to solve problems in novel and creative ways) and to be able to grasp concepts easily and be able to make connections between them.
In 1995, Daniel Goleman came up with the idea that there was also another sort of intelligence called emotional intelligence' which was the ability to understand and control one's feelings and postpone gratification. Since then, a whole lot more kinds of intelligence have been suggested, leading to the theory that we are all endowed to a greater or a lesser degree with not just one but many different types of intelligence. This is known as the theory of multiple intelligences'. Here's a recent list of different sorts of intelligence:
Kinaesthetic (Body Smart)
Linguistic (Word Smart)
Logical (Number Smart)
Interpersonal (People Smart)
Intrapersonal (Myself Smart)
Musical (Music Smart)
Visual/Spatial (Picture Smart)
Naturalistic (Nature Smart)"
we could be intelligent in just one or two of these areas.....or maybe all of them
i reckon im intelligent in 4 or 5 of them
Sex God
Quote by Bonedigger
lmao @ staffs
"What actually is intelligence then? Well until recently, the way most people understood it was that it is the ability to think logically, clearly, laterally if necessary (i.e. to be able to solve problems in novel and creative ways) and to be able to grasp concepts easily and be able to make connections between them.
In 1995, Daniel Goleman came up with the idea that there was also another sort of intelligence called emotional intelligence' which was the ability to understand and control one's feelings and postpone gratification. Since then, a whole lot more kinds of intelligence have been suggested, leading to the theory that we are all endowed to a greater or a lesser degree with not just one but many different types of intelligence. This is known as the theory of multiple intelligences'. Here's a recent list of different sorts of intelligence:
Kinaesthetic (Body Smart)
Linguistic (Word Smart)
Logical (Number Smart)
Interpersonal (People Smart)
Intrapersonal (Myself Smart)
Musical (Music Smart)
Visual/Spatial (Picture Smart)
Naturalistic (Nature Smart)"
we could be intelligent in just one or two of these areas.....or maybe all of them
i reckon im intelligent in 4 or 5 of them
You see I'm not sure I agree with that entirely. I'm logical in a practical way rather than being number smart. I'm totally shit at maths.
But logic makes my world go round. 
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Quote by Bonedigger
lmao @ staffs
"What actually is intelligence then? Well until recently, the way most people understood it was that it is the ability to think logically, clearly, laterally if necessary (i.e. to be able to solve problems in novel and creative ways) and to be able to grasp concepts easily and be able to make connections between them.
In 1995, Daniel Goleman came up with the idea that there was also another sort of intelligence called emotional intelligence' which was the ability to understand and control one's feelings and postpone gratification. Since then, a whole lot more kinds of intelligence have been suggested, leading to the theory that we are all endowed to a greater or a lesser degree with not just one but many different types of intelligence. This is known as the theory of multiple intelligences'. Here's a recent list of different sorts of intelligence:
Kinaesthetic (Body Smart)
Linguistic (Word Smart)
Logical (Number Smart)
Interpersonal (People Smart)
Intrapersonal (Myself Smart)
Musical (Music Smart)
Visual/Spatial (Picture Smart)
Naturalistic (Nature Smart)"
we could be intelligent in just one or two of these areas.....or maybe all of them
i reckon im intelligent in 4 or 5 of them
I think Howard Gardner got there first with the theory of multiple intelligences, in the eighties?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
There is obviously no point in refering to a dictionary anymore, as people even pick holes in the definition.
I give up.
You give up :shock:
Is that you saying I agree?
Agree with what? Yes I agree that the English Dictionary is RIGHT. Shame that others seem to make their own interpretations of that. It is there in black and white for all to see.
intelligence
• noun 1 the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. 2 a person with this ability. 3 the gathering of information of military or political value. 4 information gathered in this way.
From what I can see here, intelligence is defined as the ability to acquire knowledge and skills. Just because someone has an ability doesn't mean they actually make use of it. So it's perfectly possible to be intelligent but not have a great deal of knowledge. Or as others have said, people can have a huge amount of knowledge in one area but not in others. I too would agree that the application of any knowledge is the important part :thumbup:
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Quote by markz
An educated person might know 'stuff'
An intelligent person will know how to put that 'stuff' to good use
that makes you stuffless...........
Never mind... maybe one day you'll get stuffed! :mrgreen:
Orgasminator
Quote by Dirtygirlie
An educated person might know 'stuff'
An intelligent person will know how to put that 'stuff' to good use
that makes you stuffless...........
Never mind... maybe one day you'll get stuffed! :mrgreen:
No one could be that perverse
Although the thought of meaty being taken by a 12" strap on does bring a smile :lol:
Sex God
Quote by Devon1
An educated person might know 'stuff'
An intelligent person will know how to put that 'stuff' to good use
that makes you stuffless...........
Never mind... maybe one day you'll get stuffed! :mrgreen:
No one could be that perverse
Although the thought of meaty being taken by a 12" strap on does bring a smile :lol:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Ello gorgeous
Orgasminator
Quote by Dirtygirlie
An educated person might know 'stuff'
An intelligent person will know how to put that 'stuff' to good use
that makes you stuffless...........
Never mind... maybe one day you'll get stuffed! :mrgreen:
No one could be that perverse
Although the thought of meaty being taken by a 12" strap on does bring a smile :lol:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Ello gorgeous
Ello you
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