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Gallows humour, is it just a British thing?

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In the thread about Steve Irwins death there was a little argy bargy because someone posted a couple of jokes about it.
I remember when the twin towers got hit, within a day jokes were going round about that.
Not getting into the rights and wrongs about it, but is it only the British that do that? And is it a GOOD thing? Is that what kept Londoners going thro the Blitz and did Berliners have the same humour later on in the war?
John
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
I remember when the twin towers got hit, within a day jokes were going round about that.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
Yet, I personally never heard one joke in the States about the subway bombings.
So to answer your question it may possibly be a British thing. Everyone has different ways of dealing with tragedy I guess.
some people deal with bad things with a joke......but we do have a blitz attitude,suppose thats why Hitler in is warped way admired the British for their way of dealing with the worst!
I remember seeing something about some traffic police
they was saying that their only way with dealing with the crap stuff is 'gallows humour'
one of them said one way they use it is for road traffic accidents
one particular instance he gave was in the event of someone going through a windscreen, and for each accident, give points, for one particular accident, they gave "8.5 for artistic merit"
they wasnt being callous by saying anything in front of the public, this was just their personal way of dealing with it
I think it is a very British thing , to all ways find humour in adversity if you like, I dare say other countries laugh at the misforyunes of others as well , but not the way we do.
it can of course seem to some people that it is malicious, but that is not the case, we just laugh , pick ourselves up and get on with it that sort of sums up the Brits to me.
NB; beware the politically correct brigade, who have obviously had a sense of humour bypass.
Yes definatly a British thing i think.
I often wonder if it came about more during the bombings of WW2.
Don't know why i'm thinking that unless i read it somewhere it just rings a bell.
By the way....where is the Steve Irwin thread?
It does seem quite a British thing to me but the people I know who do it most, do intensive jobs where life is often viewed at its lowest, such as firemen, police, armed service, doctors, nurses if you know what I mean.
I'm not sure if their counterparts in other countries have this humour thing happenign as well as I don't know any, so my view may be skewed.
Funerals in Merseyside are good fun as there is a lot of black humour at them generally as well. biggrin
Jas
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By the way....where is the Steve Irwin thread?

http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopicpage/86908/60.html
Quote by Abilene
I remember when the twin towers got hit, within a day jokes were going round about that.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
Yet, I personally never heard one joke in the States about the subway bombings.

could be cos we don't go round showing our displeasure at jokes & comments with a semi automatic pistol wink
Quote by meat2pleaseu
I remember when the twin towers got hit, within a day jokes were going round about that.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
Yet, I personally never heard one joke in the States about the subway bombings.

could be cos we don't go round showing our displeasure at jokes & comments with a semi automatic pistol wink
They do round here lol biggrin :lol: :D :lol: :D
When I was in the Marines, we worked a lot with the 'yanks', who could never understand our humor, let alone the dark humor Brits are known for.
I could relate endless anecdotes from personal experience of gallows humor, let alone the one's told by others. Any one wanna pull up a sand bag and swing the lamp a bit?
The armed forces all share 'Gallows' or dark humor, as do many of the emergency services.
Even now, in my job, gallows humor is big - when you're pulling vehicles apart so the Fire Brigade can extract bodies / casualties it helps deal with the grimness of the events.
Brits and Gallows humor is like Brits and marmite - some like it, some don't, but no bugger else can understand it.
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NB; beware the politically correct brigade, who have obviously had a sense of humour bypass.

:thumbup:
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When I was in the Marines, we worked a lot with the 'yanks', who could never understand our humor, let alone the dark humor Brits are known for.
I could relate endless anecdotes from personal experience of gallows humor, let alone the one's told by others. Any one wanna pull up a sand bag and swing the lamp a bit?
The armed forces all share 'Gallows' or dark humor, as do many of the emergency services.
Even now, in my job, gallows humor is big - when you're pulling vehicles apart so the Fire Brigade can extract bodies / casualties it helps deal with the grimness of the events.
Brits and Gallows humor is like Brits and marmite - some like it, some don't, but no bugger else can understand it.

I suppose in that line of work.....it wasn't good to wallow on things.....
It is a traditionally British thing, but not necessarily an exclusively British thing......
Yes we probably do it because it is our way of dealing with issues, but I have worked and got pissed with the locals in several other countries, and I definitely say that the Germans can be very similar as can several eastern european countries....
I still think we do it the best though smile
M
Quote by Jon
When I was in the Marines, we worked a lot with the 'yanks', who could never understand our humor, let alone the dark humor Brits are known for.
I could relate endless anecdotes from personal experience of gallows humor, let alone the one's told by others. Any one wanna pull up a sand bag and swing the lamp a bit?
The armed forces all share 'Gallows' or dark humor, as do many of the emergency services.
Even now, in my job, gallows humor is big - when you're pulling vehicles apart so the Fire Brigade can extract bodies / casualties it helps deal with the grimness of the events.
Brits and Gallows humor is like Brits and marmite - some like it, some don't, but no bugger else can understand it.

:thumbup:
i can empathise with you there jon.
its definately a defence mechanism of some sort.... and only the people who have been there can appreciate it........
wink
It come into play a lot during my weekend activities as a crew member on a motor sport rescue unit...
Comes in handy when dealing with the aftermath of a particularly grim accident.
As the Doctor's and Paramedic's that you work along side can confirm Steve smile
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It come into play a lot during my weekend activities as a crew member on a motor sport rescue unit...
Comes in handy when dealing with the aftermath of a particularly grim accident.

Didn't realise they still had lawn mower racing in the Midlands confused And anyway I thought they took the mower blades out during competitions... :?
De_sade
dunno
I didnt train for 3 years to attend lawnmower racing
And I dont recall saying it was in the midlands either
rolleyes
It's something I will never understand, I think it's sick, way beyond childish and I just don't see the need for laughing at someone elses tradgedy in order to make yourself feel better about things, and I think that reasoning is just an excuse for someone to feel better about getting a very cheap laugh.
As I often work in intensive care with the sickest patients in the hospital, I can say I have never encountered staff making light of a situation through this kind of humour, and its something I would never do myself.
maz x
I’ve sadly seen and been party to more death and destruction than most of you will see in a lifetime!
The “gallows humour” you refer to is the way that myself and colleagues got through the task of clearing up the mess. I’ve effectively eaten my lunch on a hillside with the most beautiful views next to a bag full of body bits I’ve just poured into a body bag. It aint pretty, it aint clever but there’s absolutely no dignity in death.
The problem with gallows humour is that it is a mask, it stops people from truly expressing the feelings of fear, anger and revulsion that they feel, that they keep deep inside and that eventually come back to bite you when you are at your lowest!
My thoughts only
Yes a britsh thing.
If you think gallows humour is bad, try army humour :shock:
I'm not sure if its a British thing, but I do know that it is very much prevalent amongst those who have to deal with death and disaster on a daily basis.
Serving members of the Armed Forces, Fire Police and Ambulance bods, Doctors and Nurses all seem to have this sense of humour. I think its a defence mechanism that helps us to deal with the shittier side of life.
If you are covered in someones blood and entrails you need it, believe me.
H
Definately not just a British thing. There was a talkshow host in the States who made fun of the tsunami victims of 2004. Played a song on radio which made fun of Chinese people drowning etc (even though China wasn't affected, this individual seemed to not know). So it's at least a trans-atlantic thing.
So it's definately not just us Brits.
british humour is renowned the world over. there's the old adage that 'if you don't laugh you'll end up crying', and this is very true. we can't be precious, and assume that nobody else 'gets it', but at the same time, we should be proud of our comedy heritage. indeed, when i was told i had testicular cancer, the first thing i said was 'oh bollocks'. that, however, is another story...
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I’ve sadly seen and been party to more death and destruction than most of you will see in a lifetime!
The “gallows humour” you refer to is the way that myself and colleagues got through the task of clearing up the mess. I’ve effectively eaten my lunch on a hillside with the most beautiful views next to a bag full of body bits I’ve just poured into a body bag. It aint pretty, it aint clever but there’s absolutely no dignity in death.
The problem with gallows humour is that it is a mask, it stops people from truly expressing the feelings of fear, anger and revulsion that they feel, that they keep deep inside and that eventually come back to bite you when you are at your lowest!
My thoughts only

Yeah I agree with you!!
Stressful jobs bring it out I think..... not always another avenue to depending on the sector you work in not also a good councelling servie or access to one to help you through it! So, people turn to humour..... it get them through the day. Until you get home and reflect on the days events..... then the tears start to flow.
I dont think people are being disrespectful, its the only way they can deal with their emotions at the time. Some never get to deal with them, memories stay with them forever....just fade eventually. If humour helps people get through the day Im all for it!!!
It keeps me sane..........JUST!
xanaisx >>>in dire need of councelling! Seriously!
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The problem with gallows humour is that it is a mask, it stops people from truly expressing the feelings of fear, anger and revulsion that they feel, that they keep deep inside and that eventually come back to bite you when you are at your lowest!
My thoughts only

Indeed.....
Sometimes weeks after we have attended an incident at a race meeting the reality of what we actually did that day comes back to haunt us with avengance..
Immediately after the incident is cleared and the track ready for use again the meeting continues and the humour is a way of getting us through the rest of the day..
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It's something I will never understand, I think it's sick, way beyond childish and I just don't see the need for laughing at someone elses tradgedy in order to make yourself feel better about things, and I think that reasoning is just an excuse for someone to feel better about getting a very cheap laugh.
As I often work in intensive care with the sickest patients in the hospital, I can say I have never encountered staff making light of a situation through this kind of humour, and its something I would never do myself.
maz x

I agree with you Maz. Whilst some folk may justify their warped sense of humour by saying "it is a mask we wear to keep ourselves sane" there is a World of difference between taking a very serious and traumatic situation lightly to enable them to come to terms with such an event and some sick, peurile joke about someone who is unconnected with the person telling the joke.
As I said in a PM to someone yesterday, what's next? Another round of AIDS jokes or taking the piss out someone because they've got cancer?
Again, is nothing sacred?
De_sade
ok so you don`t agree with this gallows humour, but you know thats just how a lot of people do deal with tradgedy ( glad its them and not me) . Yes at times the humour can seem a bit malicious, but not meant in that way.
my wife works with the terminally ill, there is a caustic humour, perhaps gallows humour if you like, but you have`nt seen her when it all comes at her in an overwhelming flood of emotions. the humour staves it off for a while but only for a while,and I would suggest that this is true of all people who have to deal with war, accidents , the terminally ill , etc
so de-sade please don`t judge people , by the way the deal with trauma, its just a coping mechanism
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so de-sade please don`t judge people , by the way the deal with trauma, its just a coping mechanism

I'm not judging people, I'm giving my opinion.
An act some members in SH seem to be able to do when IT suits THEM but who jump on anyone else when they express theirs.
One rule for one. One rule for all.
Or has our democracy been replaced by a dictatorship whilst I was sleeping. rolleyes
De_sade
well bud, in a dictarship gallows humour would definetly be outlawed.....but wait a minute is`nt that exactly what the politically correct people would want as well?....are we sliding towards dictarship already and just don`t realise it.
wee Jack McConnell imposed the smoking ban on Scotland without consulting the electorate......never mentioned it in his ( labour) manifesto pre -election????? this is just the start mark my words
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I'm not sure if its a British thing, but I do know that it is very much prevalent amongst those who have to deal with death and disaster on a daily basis.
Serving members of the Armed Forces, Fire Police and Ambulance bods, Doctors and Nurses all seem to have this sense of humour. I think its a defence mechanism that helps us to deal with the shittier side of life.
If you are covered in someones blood and entrails you need it, believe me.
H

Oh you are so right there hun. I find us nurses have the blackest of humour and it's a well known fact that it IS a defence mechanism. When faced with death, illness and misery on almost a daily basis, you have to laugh or you will cry.
That said, I'm not condoning the type of sick jokes that have been thrown around the web and texts in the last 2 days as they are targeted at someone personally and that is wrong.