Going no where fast

4 Jun 2009

I'm a member of a pathfinder team for an organisation that has to embrace some big changes and as such its part of mine, and others, role on the team to impart whats going on to explain the changes to others in that organisation.
Well we're on what I thought was an easy schedule to get this done. this being about a year give or take. Well its now five months on and I am at a loss as to what hasn't been acheived and its beyond my comprehension how hard it is too convey, what to myself and others are, simple things to others in some of these meetings.
I don't even quite understand how these meetings accomplish anything as they seem to deal in absolute chaos with, everything other than the issues the meetings are called for.
I've now got to go to a meeting with different people to explain how the meeting i went to today went, what it accomplished, and how we move forward. Well I'm at a loss to what to say.
I feel like today I've accomplished nothing for a sh*load of work and effort. If tomorrow is the same then I think I'll just scream.
Thought i'd just like to share this with you all biggrin

4 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost
I'm a member of a pathfinder team for an organisation that has to embrace some big changes and as such its part of mine, and others, role on the team to impart whats going on to explain the changes to others in that organisation.
Well we're on what I thought was an easy schedule to get this done. this being about a year give or take. Well its now five months on and I am at a loss as to what hasn't been acheived and its beyond my comprehension how hard it is too convey, what to myself and others are, simple things to others in some of these meetings.
I don't even quite understand how these meetings accomplish anything as they seem to deal in absolute chaos with, everything other than the issues the meetings are called for.
I've now got to go to a meeting with different people to explain how the meeting i went to today went, what it accomplished, and how we move forward. Well I'm at a loss to what to say.
I feel like today I've accomplished nothing for a sh*load of work and effort. If tomorrow is the same then I think I'll just scream.
Thought i'd just like to share this with you all

Well your name's apt anyway :giggle:
Sorry I can't help more than that.
Would this help? :therethere:

4 Jun 2009

You don't work for a government or educational establishment by any chance? banghead

4 Jun 2009

Not far off meaty - an ex government thingy. And it really is enlightening in its rediculousness

4 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost

I feel like today I've accomplished nothing for a sh*load of work and effort. If tomorrow is the same then I think I'll just scream.

Divide them into teams and tell them to follow the yellow brick road cool

4 Jun 2009

ta for the 'share' Lostie....
why not go into tomorrow's meeting and simply tell 'em:
"well, to all intents and purposes so far we appear to be achieving nothing, and yesterdays meeting had the same effect"
I'll assume there are agendas for each meeting and allthat jazz?
do you have huge pieces of paper on the wall...labeled 'objectives' and that kind of thing?
when people make a comment, have them prepared to have that written on the wall somewhere.. and 'own' it.
in my line of work we have 'reviews' of support plans and the like.
a good tool in these is a "what's working/what's not working" section... allow people to mill-around, have a chat, but ensure that put points onto each piece of paper on the wall.. set a time limit and then return to discussion of the points raised...
.... from that, an 'action plan' can be formed, againto be written up with:
who is to do what, and by when
all that...and more... it might adda bit of focus... and, strangely enough, can be fun at times too!
lp

4 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost
Not far off meaty - an ex government thingy. And it really is enlightening in its rediculousness

I used to work with a load of Professors, who were all apparently experts in everything on the planet, too bad they missed out on getting any common sense to go with their intelligence and over inflated egos wink

4 Jun 2009

Quote by fluff_n_stuff
Well your name's apt anyway :giggle:
Sorry I can't help more than that.
Would this help? :therethere:

Today you would be correct! biggrin

Lost I am totally lol

Oh and appreciate the :therethere: thank you

4 Jun 2009

Sorry to hear of your pain lost. It sounds to me llike the ideal opportunity for a game of buzz word bingo.
I would love to had had the effrontery in such a situation to tell it like it is. My power point presentation would be titled Pissing in the Wind. (Why do we have power point presentations they serve no earthly purpose.)
Good luck.

4 Jun 2009

Take some cheese in and then spend the rest of the day asking ;-)

4 Jun 2009

Quote by Cubes
Take some cheese in and then spend the rest of the day asking who moved it ;-)

OMG i think that might well be one of those important I really should read it but i have too few breaths left in my life too do so books lol

4 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost
Not far off meaty - an ex government thingy. And it really is enlightening in its rediculousness

After reading that, I'd say you DEFINITELY work in the same dept as me!
Sugar x

4 Jun 2009

Quote by st3v3

I feel like today I've accomplished nothing for a sh*load of work and effort. If tomorrow is the same then I think I'll just scream.

Divide them into teams and tell them to follow the yellow brick road cool

what have you been smoking............. rolleyes

4 Jun 2009

Quote by markz

Divide them into teams and tell them to follow the yellow brick road

what have you been smoking............. rolleyes

Trout :borg:
You still on the ................. :roll:

4 Jun 2009

Quote by st3v3

Divide them into teams and tell them to follow the yellow brick road

what have you been smoking............. rolleyes

Trout :borg:
You still on the ................. :roll:
huh....you've been smoking witchy.......... :roll:

5 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost
I'm a member of a pathfinder team for an organisation that has to embrace some big changes and as such its part of mine, and others, role on the team to impart whats going on to explain the changes to others in that organisation.
Well we're on what I thought was an easy schedule to get this done. this being about a year give or take. Well its now five months on and I am at a loss as to what hasn't been acheived and its beyond my comprehension how hard it is too convey, what to myself and others are, simple things to others in some of these meetings.
I don't even quite understand how these meetings accomplish anything as they seem to deal in absolute chaos with, everything other than the issues the meetings are called for.
I've now got to go to a meeting with different people to explain how the meeting i went to today went, what it accomplished, and how we move forward. Well I'm at a loss to what to say.
I feel like today I've accomplished nothing for a sh*load of work and effort. If tomorrow is the same then I think I'll just scream.
Thought i'd just like to share this with you all

Do your meetings have an agenda, chairperson, minutes, actioned/to be actioned process, time line info etc. Cos, they shouldn't be that chaotic :lol2:
Unfortunately though Lost - any change process were a number of different stakeholders are involved is/can be very slow and frustrating at times. And if the info needs to have a trickle down effect - it can be even more confusing. I could tell ya a few stories that will give ya nightmares confused

:?

When I was involved in stuff like this in a paid capacity - I was a pain in the ass, rather blunt at times redface

yet, always polite wink

During meetings I always asked for clarity, expected answers in simple non jargon terms, if I didn't understand something - I told them.
Those I were representing were young and quite nervous of asking stuff in front of a load of official looking people - so I was their advocate in some respects.
Don't be afraid to ask questions - professional paid workers are there to answer them and support members of the community (even if they don't work for your organisation). You might be surprised by the grateful looks you get from other members present who were afraid to ask :lol:
Find out who arranges the meetings, chair person/trustee/main organisation or whatever, phone and ask for a private meeting. Or see if there is a Community Development Worker involved and talk to the CD unit.
Take a few other reps with you for support and tell them how you feel. Before you attend, write a few things down that concern you, suggestions, ways forward dunno

Be proactive! :smile:
They want your involvement and need people like you on board - it most likely part of the criteria that they have community/organisational involvement.
Alternatively - scream - by all accounts you do feel better afterwards!
Good luck :thumbup:

5 Jun 2009

Sounds like a lack of leadership from the top.
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5 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost
Take some cheese in and then spend the rest of the day asking who moved it ;-)

OMG i think that might well be one of those important I really should read it but i have too few breaths left in my life too do so books lol

Which is EXACTLY why you should read it wink

5 Jun 2009

Quote by BIoke
Take some cheese in and then spend the rest of the day asking who moved it ;-)

OMG i think that might well be one of those important I really should read it but i have too few breaths left in my life too do so books lol

Which is EXACTLY why you should read it wink

I might give it a try when I've finished reading Grumpy old Men biggrin

5 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost

I might give it a try when I've finished reading Grumpy old Men

He he - I have it in PowerPoint presentation format if you'd prefer lol

Sorry, I'll leave bolt

:P

5 Jun 2009

Quote by BIoke

I might give it a try when I've finished reading Grumpy old Men

He he - I have it in PowerPoint presentation format if you'd prefer lol

Sorry, I'll leave bolt

:P
Do you really? A bite-sized version would be very useful. For those of us so busy implementing the changes in our organisations that we don't have time to actually find out how to do it right.
:D:D:D:D
Lost, you are not alone. I'm on the training dept implementing that side of a seriously big new system implementation. And it's REALLY REALLY hard work to make change in a structured way. It never comes easy and always needs positive and robust handling.
It does sound like the communications process is very 'difficult' in your organisation. There is no substitute for a good communication/meeting process. Maybe developing that is the first step that needs to happen.

5 Jun 2009

Quote by markz

Divide them into teams and tell them to follow the yellow brick road

what have you been smoking............. rolleyes

Trout :borg:
You still on the ................. :roll:
huh....you've been smoking witchy.......... :roll:
You only dare to say stuff about me because you know I'll kill you quickly. :dry:

5 Jun 2009

Quote by Witchy
You only dare to say stuff about me because you know I'll kill you quickly. :dry:

Exactly... I'd drown him in olive oil cool

5 Jun 2009

Quote by BIoke
You only dare to say stuff about me because you know I'll kill you quickly. :dry:

Exactly... I'd drown him in olive oil cool

Oh you've finally moved on from lard then....... rolleyes

5 Jun 2009

Second time tonight but can I suggest the introduction of snipers into the mix....I do feel they could greatly improve many mundane the person with the least useful idea could be stalked by snipers for 24 hours.....see snipers a great motivational tool.
P.S. you could use snakes or killer bees instead.

6 Jun 2009

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Second time tonight but can I suggest the introduction of snipers into the mix....I do feel they could greatly improve many mundane the person with the least useful idea could be stalked by snipers for 24 hours.....see snipers a great motivational tool.
P.S. you could use snakes or killer bees instead.

Can you aim a snake confused

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6 Jun 2009

Quote by markz
You only dare to say stuff about me because you know I'll kill you quickly. :dry:

Exactly... I'd drown him in olive oil cool

Oh you've finally moved on from lard then....... rolleyes

No, from Vaseline :roll:

6 Jun 2009

Quote by Lost
Second time tonight but can I suggest the introduction of snipers into the mix....I do feel they could greatly improve many mundane the person with the least useful idea could be stalked by snipers for 24 hours.....see snipers a great motivational tool.
P.S. you could use snakes or killer bees instead.

Can you aim a snake confused

:
'course you can. You use the same blowpipe you use for the bees.... you just blow harder. :thumbup:

6 Jun 2009

Quote by Cubes
Second time tonight but can I suggest the introduction of snipers into the mix....I do feel they could greatly improve many mundane the person with the least useful idea could be stalked by snipers for 24 hours.....see snipers a great motivational tool.
P.S. you could use snakes or killer bees instead.

Can you aim a snake confused

:
'course you can. You use the same blowpipe you use for the bees.... you just blow harder. :thumbup:
See now killer bees in a blowpipe that's just genius......wish I'd thought of that.

6 Jun 2009

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Second time tonight but can I suggest the introduction of snipers into the mix....I do feel they could greatly improve many mundane the person with the least useful idea could be stalked by snipers for 24 hours.....see snipers a great motivational tool.
P.S. you could use snakes or killer bees instead.

Can you aim a snake confused

:
'course you can. You use the same blowpipe you use for the bees.... you just blow harder. :thumbup:
See now killer bees in a blowpipe that's just genius......wish I'd thought of that.
Just blow quickly before they crawl back into your mouth :scared: