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I went to a tough South London comprehensive school in the 70's, but I still believe that Grammar school teaching is better.
In my local borough the Grammar schools exam results far outweighed that of the state schools. Was wondering what others thought, and have exams become easier now than they were say 20 years ago? Have the Government made exams easier so that it looks like their education system is working? If there are record numbers passing exams with c or above grades, how is it that a third leave school not being able to read and write properly?
Wpuld be interested in others views. rolleyes
Both types of school I feel have their better points. If I could've sent mine to a private school, it would've been purely for the smaller classes (perfect for my refuse to concentrate youngest rolleyes ) and better exam results.
Although that is from a academic viewpoint - socially, I don't think my kids would've got anything like they've got now, certainly no better. The private schools tend to have students from all over the place, whereas the local school just has local kids. Kids they can go round to play with at the drop of a hat, places they can just 'pop' to on the offchance, without having to make a special organised trip. Kids that quite often have parents I know and went to school with back in the olden days :shock:
Both my kids have thrived in a bog standard public school, I don't think they could be better people than they are now - but that's a hindsight view. At the beginning of their school life, if money was no option, what would I of done? confused Probably would've gone the private route and hoped I had the discipline to work hard at their local social life.
But then if they had done the private route, I probably would be sat here saying it was the best route for them as they couldn't of turned out better people ......... after all, I'm their mum, luckily a mum to the best kids that ever there was :smug:
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Both types of school I feel have their better points. If I could've sent mine to a private school, it would've been purely for the smaller classes (perfect for my refuse to concentrate youngest rolleyes ) and better exam results.
Although that is from a academic viewpoint - socially, I don't think my kids would've got anything like they've got now, certainly no better. The private schools tend to have students from all over the place, whereas the local school just has local kids. Kids they can go round to play with at the drop of a hat, places they can just 'pop' to on the offchance, without having to make a special organised trip. Kids that quite often have parents I know and went to school with back in the olden days :shock:
Both my kids have thrived in a bog standard public school, I don't think they could be better people than they are now - but that's a hindsight view. At the beginning of their school life, if money was no option, what would I of done? confused Probably would've gone the private route and hoped I had the discipline to work hard at their local social life.
But then if they had done the private route, I probably would be sat here saying it was the best route for them as they couldn't of turned out better people ......... after all, I'm their mum, luckily a mum to the best kids that ever there was :smug:

You sound a very proud Mum, and a very good one too.
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You sound a very proud Mum, and a very good one too.

That's a lovely thing to say kiss
Proud absolutely, wouldn't say good tho - is there such a thing? dunno
Lived on guilt for the past 15 years, guilty for everything me :shock: Don't know who's idea it was to give my kids them big gorgeous doe eyes that say 'it's not your fault mum (it is really)' mad
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You sound a very proud Mum, and a very good one too.

That's a lovely thing to say kiss
Proud absolutely, wouldn't say good tho - is there such a thing? dunno
Lived on guilt for the past 15 years, guilty for everything me :shock: Don't know who's idea it was to give my kids them big gorgeous doe eyes that say 'it's not your fault mum (it is really)' mad
Of course you can be a good parent, you sound like one! Having kids does not come with a manual, but if you can bring kids up that dont cause you too much trouble, can say please and thankyou, and show some respect, then that I would say classes anyone as a good parent.
Hello to you all. First time posting in this forum, so be gentle with me!
I have experience of state schools and independent schools at primary level. Both have their merits definitely, but at the moment I am leaning more towards the private sector.
Private schools have smaller classes meaning they tend to have a more family like feel to them which is very good for the children. Also there are more opportunities for the school to do things which aren't on the National Curriculum which means a more rounded curriculum. You also find more specialist teaching from a younger age which in my experience means that talents are picked up on and nurtured. There is also less emphasis on the testing and associated pressures that state schools have to comply with. Yes, there are entrance exams and testing, but the children seem to actually look forward to these. Strange but true!
i went to a private school until i was 11 and then onto grammer school......which became a comprehensive for last two years I was there.....so think i am sort of qualified to speak about all three.
Ofcause grammer schools have better results....they creamed off who were looking the most intelligent at 11 years old !! so they were bound to have better results than comprenhensives. Private school have small classes and so each child can get more attention. However both of the above were very very result orintated. All they cared about was results..ie: getting more passes than others.
6 straight A's do not make you a rounded person. To a degree in private schools and grammer schools you are protected from the real world.
In life there are people who will disturb you...there are people that will try and lead you astray..etc etc....its how you deal with that ..that makes you the person you are.
Haveing been through all three systems..i can say that the comprehensive system gives you a more rounded individual..ready to face the real world.
I went to a comprehensive and so have both our kids - all done/doing very well, thank you. biggrin
I went to comprehensive all girls and for the most part had a good circle of frinds and learned a fair bit (but could have done better). All our children have/will be going to comprehensive too as I can't afford private. I would send them private if I could afford it for the smaller classes and more individual attention. The two eldest had huge primary classes...about 30 in the class, but my youngest has started a school where there is only 60 in the whole school. I can already see a difference in how fast he is picking up on his basic skills...I'm quite astonished by it and now feeling guilty that I didnt sent the other two to small schools sad
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I can already see a difference in how fast he is picking up on his basic skills...I'm quite astonished by it and now feeling guilty that I didnt sent the other two to small schools sad

Don't feel guilty - he may just be a better learner. Doesn't mean the others received a lesser education.
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I can already see a difference in how fast he is picking up on his basic skills...I'm quite astonished by it and now feeling guilty that I didnt sent the other two to small schools sad

Don't feel guilty - he may just be a better learner. Doesn't mean the others received a lesser education.
What do you mean? dont feel guilty!! its my job :shock: I'm a Mum lol
I passed my 11 plus and went to a Grammar School, (stop sniggering at the back!!) from a Primary school on a council estate. I was pleased, and my parents were so proud, but I soon realised it was the worst thing that ever happened to me! confused confused
I went from always being top of the class (or at least always in the top 3) to ALWAYS being in the bottom 3 in every lesson. I lost my confidence and by the time I was 13 I was playing truant every week. I couldn't wait until I was 16 so I could leave school.
I feel that had I not gone to the Grammar School I would have continued to enjoy school and may well heve gone on to further education, but, having said that, I joined the army at 16 and never really looked back so I suppose that some good came of it!! confused confused lol lol

Double checks his post for spelling mistakes now!!
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I'm confused confused confused confused Ok I'm blonde so bear with me
Sorry but I'm reading the title as if it's about the difference between grammar schools and state schools.....but the thread itself is about the difference between independent schools and state schools dunno
I went to a rough old comprehensive. I was a bright kid and it was torture.
My kids go to the local grammar they are a darn sight happier than i was.
I think its a case of horses for courses.
I find it distateful that average ability kids are crammed in the private sector to achieve exams that frankly they dont need. My step kids lives were made a misery by their mothers educational aspirations. Silk purses and sows ears.
Hello Kents. I have very strong views on this myself and will submit a detailed comment for consideration. I have to go out for a few hours, so will come back with my points this evening - A GOOD THREAD.
Plim :thumbup:
I'm with the Sarge on this one.
Our eldest transferred from the local comp, to grammar for her A-levels. She's a far more stressed out bunny now she's no longer at the top end of the class.
Where I grew up, there were no Grammar schools. If there had been- chances are I may well have gone to one. It would have been a disaster.
I was picked on from start to finish of my school life, as I had much older parents- and came from a rough estate. I went to Catholic schools, and in the main the rest of the pupils came from quite affluent backgrounds.
Tangent coming up.........
I was at my local college a 4 years ago, on an "Access to H.E." course. It was pretty much at the kind of-ish A-Level standard.
There were people there struggling to cope so much that they were being "carried" through the course. Quite simply, they weren't bright enough to cope at that level. Pushing them on to uni would be a complete waste of time & resources.
However, one particular person highlights my point.
She couldn't cope with the Biology classes. Her marks were really low for coursework, and she had to keep re-sitting exams.
In her other classes, Sociology & Psychology, she had trouble understanding the concepts. Her essays only just scraped through- with a lot of support.
However, the college had great pass rates they wanted to maintain and continued to carry her. She passed the course. She got through the Uni interview, and was accepted onto a very coveted degree course.
What did she want to be? A midwife.
Now, she was a lovely girl, and I wish her well. However, everyone could see she had no hope of completing the degree. IMO she is a prime example of one of the reasons the system is struggling.
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I'm confused confused confused confused Ok I'm blonde so bear with me
Sorry but I'm reading the title as if it's about the difference between grammar schools and state schools.....but the thread itself is about the difference between independent schools and state schools dunno

Sorry poshkate it is me that was having a " blonde " moment. lol The thread should have read...Grammar schools versus Comprehensive schools. Think most people knew what I meant though?
I worded it wrong. If my memory is correct there are, Grammar schools, private schools, and comprehensive schools. We all know that private schools are better and let's be fair they should be, if parents are paying 3 grand upwards per term but, I wanted to know the difference between Grammar and comp schools. Blimey confusing meself now!! lol lol
Hope this makes some sense??
I think it all comes down to money and politics. Grammar schools show social status and profess to educate the better students, and I suppose yes they do, but do they produce more nice and honest people than state schools? not always.
I went to a state school, my daughter goes to a state school. I didn't do very well only because I didn't apply myself. I'm doing better now as an adult. My daughter is predicted 9 GCSE's and is ready to go on to college. She is basically a good decent kid (with hitches here and there as with all teens) so I don't know that going to a grammar school would've changed that.
I had friends who went to grammar schools and they're not working - just stay at home mum's like any other.
I still think how you get on in life is down to your upbringing your surroundings and your parental guidance. The rest just follows.
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I think it all comes down to money and politics. Grammar schools show social status and profess to educate the better students, and I suppose yes they do, but do they produce more nice and honest people than state schools? not always.
I went to a state school, my daughter goes to a state school. I didn't do very well only because I didn't apply myself. I'm doing better now as an adult. My daughter is predicted 9 GCSE's and is ready to go on to college. She is basically a good decent kid (with hitches here and there as with all teens) so I don't know that going to a grammar school would've changed that.
I had friends who went to grammar schools and they're not working - just stay at home mum's like any other.
I still think how you get on in life is down to your upbringing your surroundings and your parental guidance. The rest just follows.

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Mar! Retract that statement immediately! smackbottom
How very dare you lol
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I think it all comes down to money and politics. Grammar schools show social status and profess to educate the better students, and I suppose yes they do, but do they produce more nice and honest people than state schools? not always.
I went to a state school, my daughter goes to a state school. I didn't do very well only because I didn't apply myself. I'm doing better now as an adult. My daughter is predicted 9 GCSE's and is ready to go on to college. She is basically a good decent kid (with hitches here and there as with all teens) so I don't know that going to a grammar school would've changed that.
I had friends who went to grammar schools and they're not working - just stay at home mum's like any other.
I still think how you get on in life is down to your upbringing your surroundings and your parental guidance. The rest just follows.

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Mar! Retract that statement immediately! smackbottom
How very dare you lol
You mean they are .................. only housewives!? :eeek: :eeek: :eeek:
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I think it all comes down to money and politics. Grammar schools show social status and profess to educate the better students, and I suppose yes they do, but do they produce more nice and honest people than state schools? not always.
I went to a state school, my daughter goes to a state school. I didn't do very well only because I didn't apply myself. I'm doing better now as an adult. My daughter is predicted 9 GCSE's and is ready to go on to college. She is basically a good decent kid (with hitches here and there as with all teens) so I don't know that going to a grammar school would've changed that.
I had friends who went to grammar schools and they're not working - just stay at home mum's like any other.
I still think how you get on in life is down to your upbringing your surroundings and your parental guidance. The rest just follows.

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Mar! Retract that statement immediately! smackbottom
How very dare you lol
oh oh.... :scared: what did I do?? Um but I do know people who went to grammar schools that are full time mums/housewives.
Now... spank me harder wench! :rascal:
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I was at my local college a 4 years ago, on an "Access to H.E." course. It was pretty much at the kind of-ish A-Level standard.
There were people there struggling to cope so much that they were being "carried" through the course. Quite simply, they weren't bright enough to cope at that level. Pushing them on to uni would be a complete waste of time & resources.
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I totally agree with you! on my current course there are a few that are blatently not coping well and not producing good grades and there is one who is knowingly 'paying' someone to do their assignments. Statistics play a very big part in why people are 'allowed' to stay on courses.
i went to grama skoul, did me no herm
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I think others have said most of what there is to say. May I add two points:-
1) If a fee paying element is involved, then think twice - I was sent to a private school at age 9 (right up until 17) mainly because I was being bullied. I hated it, I had wished my parents had supported me in other ways. In part the problems continued, it was better at the school, but the academic pressure was too much - also, the "locals" were somethimes waiting for me when I got off the bus in my "posh" uniform.
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2) You could consider spending the fee money, or part of it, on providing an interest or hobby that would assist with character building - you know what would be best for your own child - and that applies to the actual decission too :!:
Good luck with your choice wink
Plim