Great Britain is PC mad...

23 Dec 2007

Quote by flower411

hey you do know that Pink Floyd's "The Wall"...was just a song?

Oh shit !!! :shock: Was it ? :shock:
its true!
none of it was real!
Well really !!!!!!! ????
I hope you realise what that`s done to my perceptions of the last 20 years of my life !!!
i'm sorry i couldn't break it to you any gentler...but where would the fun be in that!

24 Dec 2007

Quote by Mrcoupleseekfun
...no not desktop computer, politically correct mad.
I was at work yesterday and went over to another of our offices, as its the last time i would be seeing them until after the new year i did the niceties and wished them all a nice christmas etc and went to shake hands.
1 of the lads is a muslim who, i would say, is very well integrated into our culture, yes he goes to pray etc but he's not what you'd class as devout....yet when i went to say it to him and shake his hand he replied back "i wont have a nice christmas, however i'll enjoy winter festival" and he was deadly serious.
So, not being racist, i repeated "yeah...you have a nice christmas fella" at which point he replied "thats racist, you're offending me" and walked off to complain to his boss :o :o
I have to say i was completely gobsmacked!!
Christmas, although becoming very commercialised in this country, is still very much part of british culture and if me saying "merry christmas" to people is going to be deemed racist....then fuck em all, class me as racist
This country is slowly self destructing.

Muslims believe in Jesus as a profit, I understand that a space has been left for his grave beside Mohammad. Christians believe Jesus to be the son of God. I do not think there is any place where he claimed to be a biological son of god. In the past father has meant patron or guide. So to celebrate the birth and life of Jesus does not detract from being Muslim. Jesus is a respected profit in the Muslim faith, just as he is a respected Rabbi (teacher) in the Jewish faith.
Are we PC mad. The Republic banned Christmas, because there was no proof that Jesus was born in December and it was solstice being celebrated not Christ. Is that PC mad?

24 Dec 2007

Quote by BrightonGeezer
I think as parents we can "have it" any way we like. The PC madness that grips this country is mainly propagated by schoolteachers.
Most children attending a Christmas party are much more interested in the sweets and jelly than the religious aspect anyway.
I guess I now know why homeschooling is so popular these days.

What is your evidence for that comment? If you know that, show me how you know. I certainly don't 'propagate' any PC madness. And the attitude of 'we as parents can have it any way we like', is the reason why some teachers and other authorities are not able to control children as well as they could some years ago - because the parents moan about it and see any form of control as infringing their rights. PC at its most obvious, propagated by the parents.
What happened with the parents whose children were banned, is that they don't want them to do R.E. but are quite happy for them to have the party and any gifts that were available. rolleyes

Of course, the worst part is that the poor kids haven't a clue why they are withdrawn from R.E. so they fail to see the significance of the ban. Their parents are enforcing their own beliefs onto them.

24 Dec 2007

Quote by Shambolic

I don't want to get into the religious argument as the the wave of opposition is far too great a tide for me to try and surf and I could be called a heretic!!

I've been called far worse, usually by those who so devoutly follow the Christian message of peace and love and free will...

Lets not forget that most of us don't even realise that in reality Jesus wasn't actually born on the 25th December. The date we use to mark the birth of Christ was moved to this date to suit the Christian Astrological calendar, it is thought through the Gospels of Mark and Luke he was born on the 11th or 12th of September in the 3rd century toward the reign of King Herod when there is documented proof written in stone (pardon the pun)that a census was compiled of all the inhabitants of Jerusalem and names Jesus of Nazareth living there. :shock:

Except of course the gospels hang their own stories over a loose framework of common theming due to being written over quite a period of time. Not to mention said gospels were edited, picked and chosen by a vote, written by people not even alive at the time Christ was meant to be around... You have to admit, for such a world changing event such as God's firstborn hanging out with fishermen there's really very little agreement on who, where, when, what, how. There's also the minor detail of the messianic prophecy in the old testament stating the paternal bloodline of the messiah, which is tenuously and erratically proven through Joseph - The slight problem being of course that was his step father!
But aside from all that, the celebration of Christ's birth was pinned onto the Winter Solstice in keeping with the placing of many Christian festivals. The giving of gifts has more to do with Yule than some loose re-enactment of three itinerant monarchs, just as I'm fairly sure even a miracle worker descendant of God didn't lay chocolate eggs on a different date each spring.
And this is why religion annoys me, and threads like this irritate me. People are being offended that their religion (the faith of the nation apparently) is being twisted, corrupted and subdued from various angles, when that very religion is a global example of just that process! Sadly many people repeat dogma parrot fashion without putting any thought into the words (Merry Christmas is a substitute for "Have a nice day" at this time of year), or play the "My Gods better than your (none existent for mine's the only true one) God" games, and just shows how a multicultural multi faith society is always going to have problems, even if the sledgehammer of politcal correctness reduces the scale of the tension.
What he said.
My old next door neighbour was a devout Christian, good, God-fearing woman who attended church almost daily. She also planted kitchen knives, pointing upwords, in her flower beds to keep the cats out of her garden and started a petition in the street to stop an indian family moving in next door to her. She also stopped her daughter giving her grandchild a hand knitted jumper with dinosaurs on it because she was a creationalist.
God, I hate religion.
H.x

24 Dec 2007

Quote by Unc
and yes, i feel the government is to be blamed for over PC'ness in UK. It should have spent money on educating the public on different cultures and religions instead of putting in new laws.

You mean the way that Muslim countries educate their populations and promote acceptance of cultures different to their own? No, I didn't think so.
Unc.
I do hope you are not taring everyone with the same brush.
The UAE do have a programme dedicated to cross religious communication. It seems to work well.

24 Dec 2007

Quote by H-x

I don't want to get into the religious argument as the the wave of opposition is far too great a tide for me to try and surf and I could be called a heretic!!

I've been called far worse, usually by those who so devoutly follow the Christian message of peace and love and free will...

Lets not forget that most of us don't even realise that in reality Jesus wasn't actually born on the 25th December. The date we use to mark the birth of Christ was moved to this date to suit the Christian Astrological calendar, it is thought through the Gospels of Mark and Luke he was born on the 11th or 12th of September in the 3rd century toward the reign of King Herod when there is documented proof written in stone (pardon the pun)that a census was compiled of all the inhabitants of Jerusalem and names Jesus of Nazareth living there. :shock:

Except of course the gospels hang their own stories over a loose framework of common theming due to being written over quite a period of time. Not to mention said gospels were edited, picked and chosen by a vote, written by people not even alive at the time Christ was meant to be around... You have to admit, for such a world changing event such as God's firstborn hanging out with fishermen there's really very little agreement on who, where, when, what, how. There's also the minor detail of the messianic prophecy in the old testament stating the paternal bloodline of the messiah, which is tenuously and erratically proven through Joseph - The slight problem being of course that was his step father!
But aside from all that, the celebration of Christ's birth was pinned onto the Winter Solstice in keeping with the placing of many Christian festivals. The giving of gifts has more to do with Yule than some loose re-enactment of three itinerant monarchs, just as I'm fairly sure even a miracle worker descendant of God didn't lay chocolate eggs on a different date each spring.
And this is why religion annoys me, and threads like this irritate me. People are being offended that their religion (the faith of the nation apparently) is being twisted, corrupted and subdued from various angles, when that very religion is a global example of just that process! Sadly many people repeat dogma parrot fashion without putting any thought into the words (Merry Christmas is a substitute for "Have a nice day" at this time of year), or play the "My Gods better than your (none existent for mine's the only true one) God" games, and just shows how a multicultural multi faith society is always going to have problems, even if the sledgehammer of politcal correctness reduces the scale of the tension.
What he said. Ditto, (and there’s a whole lot more besides) the very reason I can’t be arsed with this stuff.
My old next door neighbour was a devout Christian, good, God-fearing woman who attended church almost daily. She also planted kitchen knives, pointing upwords, in her flower beds to keep the cats out of her garden and started a petition in the street to stop an indian family moving in next door to her. She also stopped her daughter giving her grandchild a hand knitted jumper with dinosaurs on it because she was a creationalist.
God, I hate religion. Blasphemer!
H.x

24 Dec 2007

Quote by Freckledbird

I think as parents we can "have it" any way we like. The PC madness that grips this country is mainly propagated by schoolteachers.
Most children attending a Christmas party are much more interested in the sweets and jelly than the religious aspect anyway.
I guess I now know why homeschooling is so popular these days.

What is your evidence for that comment? If you know that, show me how you know. I certainly don't 'propagate' any PC madness. And the attitude of 'we as parents can have it any way we like', is the reason why some teachers and other authorities are not able to control children as well as they could some years ago - because the parents moan about it and see any form of control as infringing their rights. PC at its most obvious, propagated by the parents.
What happened with the parents whose children were banned, is that they don't want them to do R.E. but are quite happy for them to have the party and any gifts that were available. rolleyes

Of course, the worst part is that the poor kids haven't a clue why they are withdrawn from R.E. so they fail to see the significance of the ban. Their parents are enforcing their own beliefs onto them.
atheism by definition is not a is a lack of belief,hopefully arrived at after considering the evidence both for creationism and for evolution.
atheist parents are just as capable of teaching children respect for teachers and moral correctness as religious parents,so you cant lay lack of control issues at their door.

24 Dec 2007

Quote by annejohn
atheism by definition is not a is a lack of belief,hopefully arrived at after considering the evidence both for creationism and for evolution.
atheist parents are just as capable of teaching children respect for teachers and moral correctness as religious parents,so you cant lay lack of control issues at their door.

It's still a belief - in no gods.
From Cambridge Online Dictionary:
'atheist
someone who believes that God or gods do not exist'
I didn't say that atheist parents are less able to teach respect and moral correctness; I don't think that at all. I most definitely didn't lay lack of control issues at the door of atheists. I said it was the attitude of 'we can have it any way we like' that led to lack of control.

24 Dec 2007

been going through other online dictionaries and most seem to get it the right way round,ie a disbelief in the existence of,rather than as a belief in itself. however the best way is to ask the poeple themselves as i have done in other forums.
as for christmas as a christian celebration,it wasn`t till it got usurped cynically by the catholic church,although it had a diferent name,and now its on its way back to being a post-christian event for most the church likes it or not is another story. the school in question was just trying to score points at the expense of a child,but then christians actually have a very unchristian attitude to unbelievers as they`ve showed hugely throughout that for a paradox.

24 Dec 2007

Quote by annejohn
been going through other online dictionaries and most seem to get it the right way round,ie a disbelief in the existence of,rather than as a belief in itself. however the best way is to ask the poeple themselves as i have done in other forums.

So ask; I can't be bothered, to be honest.

24 Dec 2007

I dont normally do this but
As regards religion and christmas festivities, I have never seen such total and utter hypocritical bollox as I have from certain people on the latter part of this thread! mad

And breathe...........................

24 Dec 2007

Just a very gentle reminder, in what has been a really interesting and though provoking thread - just ensure that all posts are within the AUP ie not racist and not abusive. Not that any of you have been, but just a little reminder lol

I will now shut up :lol:

24 Dec 2007

Quote by Stormwalker

I don't want to get into the religious argument as the the wave of opposition is far too great a tide for me to try and surf and I could be called a heretic!!

I've been called far worse, usually by those who so devoutly follow the Christian message of peace and love and free will...

Lets not forget that most of us don't even realise that in reality Jesus wasn't actually born on the 25th December. The date we use to mark the birth of Christ was moved to this date to suit the Christian Astrological calendar, it is thought through the Gospels of Mark and Luke he was born on the 11th or 12th of September in the 3rd century toward the reign of King Herod when there is documented proof written in stone (pardon the pun)that a census was compiled of all the inhabitants of Jerusalem and names Jesus of Nazareth living there. :shock:

Except of course the gospels hang their own stories over a loose framework of common theming due to being written over quite a period of time. Not to mention said gospels were edited, picked and chosen by a vote, written by people not even alive at the time Christ was meant to be around... You have to admit, for such a world changing event such as God's firstborn hanging out with fishermen there's really very little agreement on who, where, when, what, how. There's also the minor detail of the messianic prophecy in the old testament stating the paternal bloodline of the messiah, which is tenuously and erratically proven through Joseph - The slight problem being of course that was his step father!
But aside from all that, the celebration of Christ's birth was pinned onto the Winter Solstice in keeping with the placing of many Christian festivals. The giving of gifts has more to do with Yule than some loose re-enactment of three itinerant monarchs, just as I'm fairly sure even a miracle worker descendant of God didn't lay chocolate eggs on a different date each spring.
And this is why religion annoys me, and threads like this irritate me. People are being offended that their religion (the faith of the nation apparently) is being twisted, corrupted and subdued from various angles, when that very religion is a global example of just that process! Sadly many people repeat dogma parrot fashion without putting any thought into the words (Merry Christmas is a substitute for "Have a nice day" at this time of year), or play the "My Gods better than your (none existent for mine's the only true one) God" games, and just shows how a multicultural multi faith society is always going to have problems, even if the sledgehammer of politcal correctness reduces the scale of the tension.
What he said. Ditto, (and there’s a whole lot more besides) the very reason I can’t be arsed with this stuff.
My old next door neighbour was a devout Christian, good, God-fearing woman who attended church almost daily. She also planted kitchen knives, pointing upwords, in her flower beds to keep the cats out of her garden and started a petition in the street to stop an indian family moving in next door to her. She also stopped her daughter giving her grandchild a hand knitted jumper with dinosaurs on it because she was a creationalist.
God, I hate religion. Blasphemer!
H.x
I think me and Shambolic need to get out more we have WAY too much time on our hands lol

Though possibly not together what a nightmare conversation that would be for the rest of the pub. Religious Theology is not exactly a light conversational topic and is too open to personal interpretation and not enough clear fact mores the pity. Right i'm off to watch the Da Vinci Code wink

24 Dec 2007

Just as an aside, there has just been a news feature in BBC 6 o'clock news. Apparently Christianity is spreading so fast in China that Christians will soon outnumber Communists. There are some State Approved Christian Churches in China and many others which gather in secret. Tho it did show a factory in China which is producing Bibles in Chinese, 41 million gone out the door so far.
John

26 Dec 2007

this country wont be our country for much longer, its becoming a joke, we have to have a feastive holiday not a xmas holiday, it wont be long before we stop celebrating xmas altogether

27 Dec 2007

Quote by Heaven1970
this country wont be our country for much longer, its becoming a joke, we have to have a feastive holiday not a xmas holiday, it wont be long before we stop celebrating xmas altogether

I've been reading this thread with interest, especially as I think the thread starter is wrong to accuse his colleague of being racist. The racist one is the one who doesn't respect another's religion....
But anyway. The above comment spurred me to post.
How many of you actually celebrate Christmas for what it is? How many go to Midnight Mass? How many 'spare a thought for Jesus'? How many just go all out to be as festive (ie: over-indulgent) as you possibly can? How many of you are sucked in by the outrageous commercialism surrounding the last week of the year, by lining retailers' pockets and spending far too much money on food and alcohol and presents with which to spoil your materialistic children and families?
I'm not saying we should ban Christmas, but I think we should accept that not all people living here choose to celebrate the birth of someone they may not believe in. In the States it is seen as a festive season, and people just say 'Happy Holidays'. Does it matter if 'Christ' isn't mentioned? Would that honestly affect how much turkey and trimmings we can stuff in our faces?
Christmas / Holiday Season will never be banned. The government makes too much money in taxes from the incredible amount of money we spend on our sickening over indulgence to ever stop it. So maybe they will change the name.... would you really, honestly, truly care, if you could still spend a few days with your family?

27 Dec 2007

Quote by BerryBelinda
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How many of you actually celebrate Christmas for what it is? How many go to Midnight Mass? How many 'spare a thought for Jesus'? How many just go all out to be as festive (ie: over-indulgent) as you possibly can? ...

I for one do not celebrate Christmas. I celebrate a festival marking the return of the sun. Not for any reason other than it is nice to kick up my heels when it is dark and damp.
I sometimes call it Xmas, as x can stand for anything.
Travis

27 Dec 2007

Quote by
I celebrate a festival marking the return of the sun. Not for any reason other than it is nice to kick up my heels when it is dark and damp.

I like that Travis. (But where's the sun?? cool

)
I do think we should all celebrate at the end of the year, in whichever way we choose - and regardless of our religion.
Religious traditions are all well and good but it seems to me that we only pick the bits of it that suit us. I wonder how many genuine, practising, church-going Christians and Catholics are there in this multi-cultural Britain? If we had one big, non-religious holiday, no one would get accused of being racist, and no one would feel left out.

27 Dec 2007

Quote by BerryBelinda
this country wont be our country for much longer, its becoming a joke, we have to have a feastive holiday not a xmas holiday, it wont be long before we stop celebrating xmas altogether

I've been reading this thread with interest, especially as I think the thread starter is wrong to accuse his colleague of being racist. The racist one is the one who doesn't respect another's religion....
But anyway. The above comment spurred me to post.
How many of you actually celebrate Christmas for what it is? How many go to Midnight Mass? How many 'spare a thought for Jesus'? How many just go all out to be as festive (ie: over-indulgent) as you possibly can? How many of you are sucked in by the outrageous commercialism surrounding the last week of the year, by lining retailers' pockets and spending far too much money on food and alcohol and presents with which to spoil your materialistic children and families?
I'm not saying we should ban Christmas, but I think we should accept that not all people living here choose to celebrate the birth of someone they may not believe in. In the States it is seen as a festive season, and people just say 'Happy Holidays'. Does it matter if 'Christ' isn't mentioned? Would that honestly affect how much turkey and trimmings we can stuff in our faces?
Christmas / Holiday Season will never be banned. The government makes too much money in taxes from the incredible amount of money we spend on our sickening over indulgence to ever stop it. So maybe they will change the name.... would you really, honestly, truly care, if you could still spend a few days with your family?
good points berry,except that not respecting another`s religion does not make a person racist, since anyone of any race can believe in any old religion

27 Dec 2007

I don't celebrate christmas for what it originally stood for I celebrate christmas as a time for me and my kids to be together for a few days to relax,give pressies and have fun. I'm not a religious person but I don't hide it, I believe in me,my kids and my friends.................