Quote by foxylady 123
A condom in a mouth!!!!????????????//
Thats disgusting!!
If I were Japanese I might say it was "rubbery"
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Quote by crosspatch
Before we all start sidetracking on whether or not bi/gay men are more or less likely to practice safe sex (is that abstinence?), it would be nice to get back to the original topic
My emphasis.
Your hoping aren't you!
It's a fallacy that you have to experience something before you decide whether it is for you or not. You either want to do it or you don't.
Why do you have to doubt what people put in the ads? Surely folks will represent what their preferences are. If that's a load of porkies then it will be found out and ultimately lead to misery. Anybody who's got any sense will explore fully and clearly what the rules are before taking it any further. If you rely solely on what is in a 4-line ad then beware!
Sex God
OK Crosspatch... back to the original topic.....
The original topic DID refer to safe sex cos you automatically assumed that sex with bi men has greater health risks...... Unsafe sex with anyone caries health risks. Don't assume just cos there's bi male sex that there are going to be GREATER health risks.
That said, I don't buy that in most swinging couples that the woman is usually bi and the guy is usually straight, but it's up to each individual how they want to define themselves. If certain people want to deny their desires that it their problem. It is a fact that a lot of men deny their bi feelings for reasons that are to do with a homophobic society. Homophobia is rife on the swinging scene, just as it is everywhere else.
If you're a straight guy and you're happy being straight, fair enough. That is your choice too.
Bi sex among women on the swinging scene is seen as normal cos it is a fantasy for a lot of guys. I know some swinging women who are not really bi but they do women just to please their partner. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I know that is true cos the women themelves have told me.
So, yes, bi male sex is more frowned upon than bi girl sex...... some "straight" guy swingers are really bi and are in denial, and some "bi" girl swingers are really straight. I think that just about sums up the answer to the original question.
The original topic DID refer to safe sex cos you automatically assumed that sex with bi men has greater health risks...... Unsafe sex with anyone caries health risks. Don't assume just cos there's bi male sex that there are going to be GREATER health risks.
That said, I don't buy that in most swinging couples that the woman is usually bi and the guy is usually straight, but it's up to each individual how they want to define themselves. If certain people want to deny their desires that it their problem. It is a fact that a lot of men deny their bi feelings for reasons that are to do with a homophobic society. Homophobia is rife on the swinging scene, just as it is everywhere else.
If you're a straight guy and you're happy being straight, fair enough. That is your choice too.
Bi sex among women on the swinging scene is seen as normal cos it is a fantasy for a lot of guys. I know some swinging women who are not really bi but they do women just to please their partner. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I know that is true cos the women themelves have told me.
So, yes, bi male sex is more frowned upon than bi girl sex...... some "straight" guy swingers are really bi and are in denial, and some "bi" girl swingers are really straight. I think that just about sums up the answer to the original question.
Sex God
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i would imagine ((( and yes it's imagination ))) that unless you've ever slurped on a Thorntons ButterScotch Ice Cream, how you gonna know if you like it?
if we're here to explore sexuality in all it's forms, and not cos we think there's a random shag an email away, well isn't that entirely the point!? :dunno:
and clearly if my arse was ever involved in hetero sex in any way shape or form, well i wouldn't admit that here! or would i? :dunno: that does not mean i want another bloke slipping into me. i just think the boundaries, if we're honest, can be very blurred!
in my limited experience, the most vehement homophobes are the ones that i would class as definitely bisexual in their imaginations, if not actively! just a thought! ;-)
boundaries change on a daily / hourly basis
neil x x x ;-)
i would imagine ((( and yes it's imagination ))) that unless you've ever slurped on a Thorntons ButterScotch Ice Cream, how you gonna know if you like it?
if we're here to explore sexuality in all it's forms, and not cos we think there's a random shag an email away, well isn't that entirely the point!? :dunno:
and clearly if my arse was ever involved in hetero sex in any way shape or form, well i wouldn't admit that here! or would i? :dunno: that does not mean i want another bloke slipping into me. i just think the boundaries, if we're honest, can be very blurred!
in my limited experience, the most vehement homophobes are the ones that i would class as definitely bisexual in their imaginations, if not actively! just a thought! ;-)
boundaries change on a daily / hourly basis
neil x x x ;-)
Quote by westerross
It's a fallacy that you have to experience something before you decide whether it is for you or not. You either want to do it or you don't.
Well you might "think" you might like it but the test may prove otherwise. I'm not disagreeing with you, only perhaps suggesting that you don't "know" it's for you until after. (Whatever "IT" might be).
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i would imagine ((( and yes it's imagination ))) that unless you've ever slurped on a Thorntons ButterScotch Ice Cream, how you gonna know if you like it?
I`d advise anyone thinking of trying a Thorntons to make sure they are hungry first.
Venusxxx
Sex God
i'm sorry venus i've given entirely too much away! i did of course mean yer maple syrup with a scoop of chocolate on the top. just so we're clear on that!
neil x x x ;-)
neil x x x ;-)
Sex God
There was a study conducted under strict scientific conditions several years ago that showed that the most homophobic straight men were more aroused by gay male porn than non homophobic straight men. Those findings are published in a very high quality psychology journal.
However, there are lots of things that I have never tried that I don't need to try - I know I won't like them without even going there. For example, I don't find the thought of watersports sexy, so why would I want to try it?
Yeah, some people are in denial and maybe should experiment more, but if you know something is not for you, why do it?
There are one or two things that I would like to try, but I am too shy..... maybe one day :twisted:
However, there are lots of things that I have never tried that I don't need to try - I know I won't like them without even going there. For example, I don't find the thought of watersports sexy, so why would I want to try it?
Yeah, some people are in denial and maybe should experiment more, but if you know something is not for you, why do it?
There are one or two things that I would like to try, but I am too shy..... maybe one day :twisted:
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Quote by musketeer
Well you might "think" you might like it but the test may prove otherwise. I'm not disagreeing with you, only perhaps suggesting that you don't "know" it's for you until after. (Whatever "IT" might be).
Errr - sucking another bloke's cock. (Kinky - that's three of the feckers now!)
Sex God
Quote by bluexxx
That said, I don't buy that in most swinging couples that the woman is usually bi and the guy is usually straight, but it's up to each individual how they want to define themselves.
I think the general impression from ads you read and what is seen in a Swingers club IS that it's 'usaully' or 'more likely' the case that the woman is bi. That could well be misleading as I have to admit, I was/am surprised that 'so many women' seem to be bi.
May have expressed that a bit clumsily but hopefully you get my gist
Quote by bluexxx
If certain people want to deny their desires that it their problem. It is a fact that a lot of men deny their bi feelings for reasons that are to do with a homophobic society. Homophobia is rife on the swinging scene, just as it is everywhere else.
I know you refer to a study that was conducted somewhere in a later post, having no knowledge of the study I can't really comment on it. BUT, I do find it weird why people throw in accusations of Homophobia in these types of discussions. Just because someone says something along the lines of, 'No, it's definitely not for me', why does it HAVE to be seem as signs of homophobia?
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If you're a straight guy and you're happy being straight, fair enough. That is your choice too.
Couldn't agree more, it's about personal choice.
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So, yes, bi male sex is more frowned upon than bi girl sex...... some "straight" guy swingers are really bi and are in denial, and some "bi" girl swingers are really straight. I think that just about sums up the answer to the original question.
Maybe, maybe not. But let's not assume so simply because it fits a certain point of view.
Sex God
Quote by VenusnMars
I have a homophobic straight friend whose attitude really winds me up.
He really hates it when I tell him he`s `overcompensating` :twisted:
Shuts him up too :smug:
Venusxxx
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Quote by westerross
It's a fallacy that you have to experience something before you decide whether it is for you or not. You either want to do it or you don't.
I agree with this and already mentioned that I think the logic of this particular argument is pretty flawed. ie. That if you don't actually try something, you can't know either way.
I was pretty certain I wouldn't like smoking and didn't need to try it to prove it, but I did, and I don't.
I've never dabbled in drugs , but I know it's not for me, and I don't need to do drugs to find that out.
I always knew I'd love skiing, years before I ever knew I'd get the chance to do it, and when I did, I loved it.
I know I'm straight and man-to-man sex isn't for me, I don't need to check it out to know that. That's not homophobia, nor is it denial.
So you see, it 'swings' both ways. Sometimes, you just know without any shadow of a doubt.
Sex God
Quote by J3diMast3r
It's a fallacy that you have to experience something before you decide whether it is for you or not. You either want to do it or you don't.
I agree with this and already mentioned that I think the logic of this particular argument is pretty flawed. ie. That if you don't actually try something, you can't know either way.
I think this is where the difference between bi and bi-curious comes into the argument (for want of a better word) though.
It's quite feasible that someone who has been bi curious for years then tries it and decides that they don't want to do it again.
Sex God
Quote by icequeen
Just wanted to say that this is a great discussion. Thoughtful, witty and funny at times and really getting to grips with issues relating to swinging, sex and sexuality. Brilliant. I' ve only just found this feature. Not been here long. Good site.
it is without doubt the best site in the whole wide world, and this is the best bit of the site! . . . . for exactly those reasons! ;-)
a belated :welcome: to ya!
neil x x x ;-)
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Quote by crosspatch
Reading through the adverts for couples, it is noticeable how many of the girls are, at the very least, bi-curious. Conversely, at least 95% of the blokes are described as completely straight – i.e. with no interest whatsoever in other males to bordering on the homophobic.
I certainly find this very hard to swallow (excuse the pun!) and would posit that an awful lot of guys are at least curious to know what it is like to give another a BJ.
So, is the reticence due to the remaining social stigma attaching to same-sex male contact or is female bi-sexuality genuinely much more common or is it that many couples wish to actively discourage males with bi-tendencies, not least because of the intrinsically greater health risks?
On what basis do you reject the possibility that they simply might not be interested?
Master of Sex
as you may or maynot know im bi.
personally i prefer to go down on a woman and seeing two women in the 69 position is close to being in heaven
:D :D
but i also enjoy sucking a nice cock or if im really horny getting one up my bum :twisted:
i go to fetish clubs and very rarely have seen any bi sex between blokes,ive seen lots of straight and lezzie
i dont know whereJ3diMast3r got his information that most at fetish clubs are gay if not bi men, take it from me thats really not the case.
at the end of the day life is to short,if you wanna experiment sexually do it if not dont but if you hold back(male or female)when your lying on your death bed and wondering "what if"
:
personally i prefer to go down on a woman and seeing two women in the 69 position is close to being in heaven
:D :D but i also enjoy sucking a nice cock or if im really horny getting one up my bum :twisted:
i go to fetish clubs and very rarely have seen any bi sex between blokes,ive seen lots of straight and lezzie
i dont know whereJ3diMast3r got his information that most at fetish clubs are gay if not bi men, take it from me thats really not the case.
at the end of the day life is to short,if you wanna experiment sexually do it if not dont but if you hold back(male or female)when your lying on your death bed and wondering "what if"
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Someone has PMed me the following response to this thread. They do not want to be identified, therefore their request that I post it on their behalf:
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I have found this to be a fascinating debate, but didn't feel open enough to comment publicly and have therefore asked Bluexxx to post on my behalf. As she has met me, she will understand my reasons behind this.
I am one of those apparently very rare bi males. I don't tell everyone that I am and that is my choice. The same as it is if I am a closet Abba fan, it's no-one elses business, but my own. If it is relevent to someone, I'll tell them, but as is often the case, men who are not Bi find it uncomfortable and have difficulty trying to figure you out. So for that reason I don't shout it from the rooftops. I am Bi when i want to be. If I am in a situation of say, a MMF and the other guy isn't bi, then I am not going to grab his willy or start snogging him. If he didn't know before, he would never figure it out by my actions. I don't snog or hug guys, it's just sex, a different type of sex than male/female sex. It's as well as, not instead of hetero sex. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer male/female sex and that will never change. I have just embraced the ability to enjoy a different sexual game.
Funnily enough, nearly all the women I have met from here and enjoyed relationships with, have asked if I was Bi. I answered them honestly and oddly enough, ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION, have accepted the fact completely. Did their attitude change towards me on knowing this? Damn right it did! In nearly every case, their eyes lit up and the sex was even better! Odd really. I was very apprehensive of telling anyone, but now if asked, especially by a lady, I tell them without a second thought. Something I have to have if I'm to tell a straight guy the same thing.
One day, perhaps I will be more open about it, but it will be a day of my choosing and not one thrust upon me by people saying I must fully disclose my sexual preferences to suit them
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I have found this to be a fascinating debate, but didn't feel open enough to comment publicly and have therefore asked Bluexxx to post on my behalf. As she has met me, she will understand my reasons behind this.
I am one of those apparently very rare bi males. I don't tell everyone that I am and that is my choice. The same as it is if I am a closet Abba fan, it's no-one elses business, but my own. If it is relevent to someone, I'll tell them, but as is often the case, men who are not Bi find it uncomfortable and have difficulty trying to figure you out. So for that reason I don't shout it from the rooftops. I am Bi when i want to be. If I am in a situation of say, a MMF and the other guy isn't bi, then I am not going to grab his willy or start snogging him. If he didn't know before, he would never figure it out by my actions. I don't snog or hug guys, it's just sex, a different type of sex than male/female sex. It's as well as, not instead of hetero sex. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer male/female sex and that will never change. I have just embraced the ability to enjoy a different sexual game.
Funnily enough, nearly all the women I have met from here and enjoyed relationships with, have asked if I was Bi. I answered them honestly and oddly enough, ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION, have accepted the fact completely. Did their attitude change towards me on knowing this? Damn right it did! In nearly every case, their eyes lit up and the sex was even better! Odd really. I was very apprehensive of telling anyone, but now if asked, especially by a lady, I tell them without a second thought. Something I have to have if I'm to tell a straight guy the same thing.
One day, perhaps I will be more open about it, but it will be a day of my choosing and not one thrust upon me by people saying I must fully disclose my sexual preferences to suit them
Just chat to Mars (who is also following this thread very closely) and we both have the same feeling about one common reaction offered here. This is just an observation, and not at all a gripe as the feeling offered is not at all directed at bi guys, and is a personal and therefore very valid one. 
It`s the `feeling sick at the thought` comments. Reading stuff like that is kind of off-putting, and probably doesn`t help the bi-curious men openly embrace the idea. Mars said that it makes him feel a little worried that people might be sickened by him when they consider that this is an interest of his. Of course it was made very clear by the posters that they do not have a problem with Bi guys, and kudos to them :), they don`t need to take responsibilty for other people`s confidence. It`s simply an observation that this is another thing that Mars will have to get past.
Do any other curious guys feel like this?
Venusxxx
It`s the `feeling sick at the thought` comments. Reading stuff like that is kind of off-putting, and probably doesn`t help the bi-curious men openly embrace the idea. Mars said that it makes him feel a little worried that people might be sickened by him when they consider that this is an interest of his. Of course it was made very clear by the posters that they do not have a problem with Bi guys, and kudos to them :), they don`t need to take responsibilty for other people`s confidence. It`s simply an observation that this is another thing that Mars will have to get past.
Do any other curious guys feel like this?
Venusxxx
Once upon a time I was a teeny bit bi-curious, then I gave a guy a blowjob, and then I wasn't anymore. It wasn't that the act itself repulsed me - I was just left with the overwhelming feeling that it was something I never wanted to do again. I can't really explain it.
Besides, men are ugly critters. :twisted:
Besides, men are ugly critters. :twisted:
