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Sex God
Quote by poshkate
We have a stated policy not to negotiate with terrorists hun,but behind closed doors we talk to anyone given the chance. Hell we made most of them…..
god..........i love being patronised.............
ok i'm 25 and blonde........but do not assume i'm that daft..........as i said earlier.......i'm not going to get involved any further into this debate (and thats for personal reasons)
right night all........
Hiya Kate
I think this is a case of the classic internet problem where you can't see people's faces or hear their tone of voice. There honestly is'nt a patronising bone in Storm's body! I was'nt here when he wrote that post but as I know him I can hear the tone and see his face when writing it. What he's trying to say is that it's a damn shame that behind the closed doors we don't hold up what the country's policy is. and the kiss emoticon is because he's fond of you and did'nt want you to think his post is at odds with your view.
Love
Fire xx
PS He's not here now so I'll probably get a
when he comes in along with a lecture about how he can answer his own posts thank you very much :giggle: 
Sexpert
Anyone seen V for Vendetta?
Been trying not to get involved in this thread, as the issues can be very emotive and what begins as a differing of opinion often degenerates into all out cattiness.
Without going in to the rights and wrongs, the speculation on genuineness of threat and culpability or responsibility, the result of yesterdays action reflects the intention....to terrorise and curtail freedoms.
That saddens and angers me :cry:
Been trying not to get involved in this thread, as the issues can be very emotive and what begins as a differing of opinion often degenerates into all out cattiness.
Without going in to the rights and wrongs, the speculation on genuineness of threat and culpability or responsibility, the result of yesterdays action reflects the intention....to terrorise and curtail freedoms.
That saddens and angers me :cry:
Quote by da69ve
Every terrorist started his/her life as an innocent child.
well in that case so did Tony Blair......but it seems some people have more sympathy in the cause for someone who tries to smuggle explosives on a plane with the intent to blow it up mid fight!.......
I'm not sure it is a matter of sympathy.
This country and its allies (friends??) are at present occupying other countries in the name of freedom. They bomb the homes of innocent people (they can't all be terrorists) in our name.
You can't help thinking that much of this problem has been brought on ourselves. I know it isn't a simple black and white issue and has many shades of gray ( or muddy brown). This is a mindless tit for tat war.
For the record before I get lynched as a terrorist sympathiser. I believe the overthrowing of Sadam and the Afghan government were good things however the aftermath has been handled with almost criminal imcompetance.
Quote by BerryBelinda
I'm pissed at him for getting us into the front of the firing line. Agreed, terrorists always find someone to bomb to bits. I just think we'd have been further down the list of countries to kick the shit out of had he listened more to his people and told Bush to go fight his own battles.
:thumbup: Precisely.
Quote by da69ve
if it hadn't been Blair......it would only have been another Prime Minister instead....and it will always be like that.....we are in alliance with the United States.....
That's the problem. It IS Blair. Whether we like it or now. Do we have a choice? NO!
I wonder how many people would vote to maintain this alliance, when it means we have to fight HIS power/oil-hungry wars and consequently be targeted? Let some other country suck up to Bush and put its citizens at risk. I vote we get the hell out of the Middle East and let Bush find another (mug) ally. We have no business being over there. OK so they helped us in WW2. But that was 60 sodding years ago. Can we not seek peace now? Have we not bombed enough innocent people yet?
If you keep poking something with a long stick, don't you expect it to get just a teensy bit angry?
didn't we have a general election last year....we had the chance then to vote the present government out.....but we didn't did we....
Can't remember exact quote
All it takes for evil to prosper is good men to do nothing.
How relevant that is is up to you to decide!!
Remember there are no innocent bystanders in war. Not now, not ever. Women, children, old and young they have always been the targets in a war. Whether they are the families shelled by Israelis in the Lebonon or the Isearis shelled by the Lebonnese. The occupants of Dresden or Coventry in WW2 or the occupants of some medievel town. We are all linked to the actions of our government. It is no good trying to wash your hands of our own individual involvement in this.
All it takes for evil to prosper is good men to do nothing.
How relevant that is is up to you to decide!!
Remember there are no innocent bystanders in war. Not now, not ever. Women, children, old and young they have always been the targets in a war. Whether they are the families shelled by Israelis in the Lebonon or the Isearis shelled by the Lebonnese. The occupants of Dresden or Coventry in WW2 or the occupants of some medievel town. We are all linked to the actions of our government. It is no good trying to wash your hands of our own individual involvement in this.
Sex God
Quote by keeno
Remember there are no innocent bystanders in war. Not now, not ever. Women, children, old and young they have always been the targets in a war
How on Earth do you work that one out? You're saying that children are guilty parties? So it's their fault they are targetted?
And I can sit here doing nothing because I have exercised my right to vote a representative. That's not to say that it's the one who was voted by the majority, but I have to accept that someone might be chosen who I don't want.
Oh, and if you can't remember exact quotes, maybe you shouldn't quote them in case they are out of context.
Quote by da69ve
didn't we have a general election last year....we had the chance then to vote the present government out.....but we didn't did we....
You may have voted him in but don't speak for all of us. I voted him out, as I'm sure others did. So some think he's worth keeping - up to them. I am still entitled to my opinion - and I still think he's putting our country at more risk than it needs to be.
Quote by BerryBelinda
didn't we have a general election last year....we had the chance then to vote the present government out.....but we didn't did we....
You may have voted him in but don't speak for all of us. I voted him out, as I'm sure others did. So some think he's worth keeping - up to them. I am still entitled to my opinion - and I still think he's putting our country at more risk than it needs to be.
i'm not speaking for everyone.......and you are entitled to your opinion...but the fact he got voted in for a third time just shows people are more confident with him as Prime Minister than they would have with going for one of the other political leaders!....if people felt strongly about our policies abroad and who we allianced with......then it would have been seen in that election......it didn't happen though did it....but your get your chance again in the next election.
Quote by Tania
Every terrorist started his/her life as an innocent child.
As did their victims.
As did the men and women that have died, been maimed, or injured; physically and or pshycologically (sp ?) because they were willing, able and trusting enough to put themselves before and between the targets of terrorism/freedom fighters/religious believers/aggressors - foreign or domestic ! ! !
Quote by dambuster
Every terrorist started his/her life as an innocent child.
As did their victims.
As did the men and women that have died, been maimed, or injured; physically and pr pshycologically (sp ?) because they were willing, able and trusting enough to put themselves before and between the targets of terrorism/freedom fighters/religious believers/aggressors - foreign or domestic ! ! !
:thumbup: thank you Dambuster.......some people seem to forget that!
Quote by peenut
" Nothing good ever comes from violence.
If you look for it, you will often find anything.
How much safer are some parts of the world, including mainland Britain due the violent, sometimes heinously so, actions of those prepared to step up and do what was deemed ( by those with the authority, will and responsibility) to be necessary ?
Orgasminator
Quote by da69ve
didn't we have a general election last year....we had the chance then to vote the present government out.....but we didn't did we....
No, he got back in with a vastly reduced majority, which says a lot more about how bad our electoral systems are than about whether or not people actually support him.
No PM, regardless of their party is going to tell Bush to fuck off and grow up and break the alliance with the USA due to the devastating economical impact it would have – and if one did you would be up in arms when the consequences started to affect your daily life.
There are some dictators in this world I would gladly have my taxes spent on obliterating them from the face of the earth – was it the case with Saddam – I am not sure.
Politicians just can’t win sometimes – they get slated when they act and slated when they don’t…. for turning a blind eye… for not stepping in at the atrocities in Rwanda and so on.
If Saddam had been left to his own devises there may not have been any immediate problems – but would you have been happy if he had continued with mass executions? Taken control of other countries and their oil? Do you really appreciate the impact that would have had on the global economy? I don’t think anyone can answer that as we have not been in that position.
People may well say it is all about money – but so is life. You may not care who owns the oil – but you would care if businesses folded – if food prices rise – if hospitals close – if your power supply became rationed.
And let us not forget that the extreme groups had the UK on their hit list anyway – it just speeded up the process for some of these groups and brought it to the media – which in turn has amplified the situation (that being our awareness).
There are some dictators in this world I would gladly have my taxes spent on obliterating them from the face of the earth – was it the case with Saddam – I am not sure.
Politicians just can’t win sometimes – they get slated when they act and slated when they don’t…. for turning a blind eye… for not stepping in at the atrocities in Rwanda and so on.
If Saddam had been left to his own devises there may not have been any immediate problems – but would you have been happy if he had continued with mass executions? Taken control of other countries and their oil? Do you really appreciate the impact that would have had on the global economy? I don’t think anyone can answer that as we have not been in that position.
People may well say it is all about money – but so is life. You may not care who owns the oil – but you would care if businesses folded – if food prices rise – if hospitals close – if your power supply became rationed.
And let us not forget that the extreme groups had the UK on their hit list anyway – it just speeded up the process for some of these groups and brought it to the media – which in turn has amplified the situation (that being our awareness).
Quote by Deviated Prevert
didn't we have a general election last year....we had the chance then to vote the present government out.....but we didn't did we....
No, he got back in with a vastly reduced majority, which says a lot more about how bad our electoral systems are than about whether or not people actually support him.
yes is was reduced....but the people had the chance to make it more.....just like what happened to the Tories in 97.
Quote by Kiss_Me
A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, even though we do not love it. - Dogen
"Live long and prosper"...Spock
Are you taking the p*ss?
Of course i'm not taking the piss....i felt left out that everyone was quoting someone or another......and i only knew the Spock quote!
i did hear you the first time! :wink:
ops: :oops:Quote by PoloLady
No PM, regardless of their party is going to tell Bush to fuck off and grow up and break the alliance with the USA due to the devastating economical impact it would have – and if one did you would be up in arms when the consequences started to affect your daily life.
There are some dictators in this world I would gladly have my taxes spent on obliterating them from the face of the earth – was it the case with Saddam – I am not sure.
Politicians just can’t win sometimes – they get slated when they act and slated when they don’t…. for turning a blind eye… for not stepping in at the atrocities in Rwanda and so on.
If Saddam had been left to his own devises there may not have been any immediate problems – but would you have been happy if he had continued with mass executions? Taken control of other countries and their oil? Do you really appreciate the impact that would have had on the global economy? I don’t think anyone can answer that as we have not been in that position.
People may well say it is all about money – but so is life. You may not care who owns the oil – but you would care if businesses folded – if food prices rise – if hospitals close – if your power supply became rationed.
And let us not forget that the extreme groups had the UK on their hit list anyway – it just speeded up the process for some of these groups and brought it to the media – which in turn has amplified the situation (that being our awareness).
The thing is... we will never truly know the full picture!!! 
Sex God
Quote by Jags
go on then, i'll bite......Cite a historical president for mass terrorism without some form of political or religious agenda.
Stormwalker
Your not a bloody history teacher are you?....those clowns told me all sorts of crap when I was a kid :giggle:
MOST mass terrosim/world wars/civil wars ARE driven by political or religious agendas, I have no disagreement with that. Did you say that before???
Quote by firelizard
Like it or not, the reason we have a world balancing on the edge of terror, is because we dismissed the voices of angry, sad or disillusioned people when we had the chance.:
I was hoping to disagree with that ^^^^^ comment.
Ok, i'm lost :confused2:
Storm
Sex God
Quote by Scandal
Hell we made most of them…..
Trained and funded for ulterior motives.
When you say "we" I interptet that as the USA/UK government, Whitehall and MI6, most residents of this country would exclude themselves from the "we".
True, I don’t recall the government, any government, ever asking me what I thought or if I objected to what they were about to do my name. :(
But, they are my government, and so I’m partly responsible for the things they do, like it or not. :(
Storm
Sex God
Quote by poshkate
We have a stated policy not to negotiate with terrorists hun,
god..........i love being patronised.............
ok i'm 25 and blonde........but do not assume i'm that daft..........as i said earlier.......i'm not going to get involved any further into this debate (and thats for personal reasons)
right night all........
:shock:
Sorry Kate, it wasn’t meant to be patronising. :kiss:
I was just responding to what you said, I assumed that that’s what you believed.
Hair colour and age has never been a good indicator of intelligence hun, if they were I’d be a bloody genius. :lol2: :!:
Stormy
Sex God
Quote by peenut
do you think if i hijack this thread it will take me to cuba ?
I'd pay to send you to Cuba
Stormy
Orgasminator
Quote by PoloLady
People may well say it is all about money – but so is life. You may not care who owns the oil – but you would care if businesses folded – if food prices rise – if hospitals close – if your power supply became rationed.
Polo, I'd rather live a more measured (moderate) life with a few more hardships and have world peace than bask in the riches of Britain (or America or whatever country) and ignore the people dying in other parts of the world every day due to our actions/lack of action. As for businesses folding, prices rising, hospitals closing... surely you are not talking about the Thatcher era?
