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Quote by Jags
The first person to say 'don't call me Shirley' is heading for a mega Jags slap!
rolleyes

:shock:
I seem to like playing with fire Jags..... I have heard the famous "Jags slap" mentioned many a time... but I have never seen it in action. What is it like? :scared:
:giggle:
Calista
Sex God
Quote by Tania
Da69ve
You must be addicted to crap then because you never fail to respond to my posts.
Fortunately, there is lots more where that 'crap' came from, and I'll save it all for you baby... even though you don't make me horny.
flipa :moon:

you my dear are another another planet.......and i'll sleep better now knowing i don't make you horny!
To paraphrase you: Do I make you angry baby?
Do I?
Do I?
Sweet dreams and call me when you wake up and smell the coffee..... :P
:shock: You know I'm actually shocked at the pettiness of this conversation! Why? My young children act better than this!
My boss was due to fly to Boston tomorrow but I guess he'll change his mind tonight. Pity really I was looking forward to being in charge LOL :twisted: .
As for Tony Blair not coming back to the country .... erm hello? Weren't flights into Heathrow cancelled, if he had come back somee would criticise him for breaching protocol! He has advisors and staff over here to deal with it all ..... at the moment no one has died, if they had then I imagine he would come home.
Cx
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Quote by Jags
Very scary :shock: though I couldn't help but get more than a little peeved at this bit
<snip>
Prime Minister Tony Blair, on holiday in the Caribbean, paid tribute to the the police and the security services.
"I thank them for the great job they are doing in protecting our country. <snip>
Good job someone's doing something to protect us mad

I don't get the point of this snipe - sorry, snip. Do you expect Tony Blair to stand guard at Heathrow Airport with a gun??? FFS.. we have security services whose jobit is to guard us.
I REALLY REALLY hate these jibes which are not only unecessary but groundless.
banghead
Fair comment but if he hadn't got into bed with Bush and the US over Iraq, I don't see we would have been targeted as readily as this. It wasn't meant as a jibe, groundless or otherwise, just my own personal opinion which we are all entitiled to. The trouble with politics is everyone has different views and everyone thinks they are right and it's also the reason I don't get into debates on that subject.
I have my opinions, you have yours and the next person has theirs and we're all equally entitiled to them.
Jags
Sex God
Quote by Sassy-Seren
Very scary :shock: though I couldn't help but get more than a little peeved at this bit
<snip>
Prime Minister Tony Blair, on holiday in the Caribbean, paid tribute to the the police and the security services.
"I thank them for the great job they are doing in protecting our country. <snip>
Good job someone's doing something to protect us mad

I don't get the point of this snipe - sorry, snip. Do you expect Tony Blair to stand guard at Heathrow Airport with a gun??? FFS.. we have security services whose jobit is to guard us.
I REALLY REALLY hate these jibes which are not only unecessary but groundless.
banghead
Fair comment but if he hadn't got into bed with Bush and the US over Iraq, I don't see we would have been targeted as readily as this. It wasn't meant as a jibe, groundless or otherwise, just my own personal opinion which we are all entitiled to. The trouble with politics is everyone has different views and everyone thinks they are right and it's also the reason I don't get into debates on that subject.
I have my opinions, you have yours and the next person has theirs and we're all equally entitiled to them.
OF COURSE you're entitled to your opinion and thank god for that! However, your comment only said you're pissed off at the PM being away, or did you mean you're pissed off that he issued a statement or what??
As for the other things - these terrorists will ALWAYS find a reason, hower innocuous, and have done so for YEARS. No matter what the decision no-one wins.
cool
Unknown User
Quote by Jags
OF COURSE you're entitled to your opinion and thank god for that! However, your comment only said you're pissed off at the PM being away, or did you mean you're pissed off that he issued a statement or what??
As for the other things - these terrorists will ALWAYS find a reason, hower innocuous, and have done so for YEARS. No matter what the decision no-one wins.
cool

I'm pissed at him for getting us into the front of the firing line. Agreed, terrorists always find someone to bomb to bits. I just think we'd have been further down the list of countries to kick the shit out of had he listened more to his people and told Bush to go fight his own battles.
On that note, I'm putting this thread on ignore for the time being
mr__powers1
Sex God
Quote by Sassy-Seren

OF COURSE you're entitled to your opinion and thank god for that! However, your comment only said you're pissed off at the PM being away, or did you mean you're pissed off that he issued a statement or what??
As for the other things - these terrorists will ALWAYS find a reason, hower innocuous, and have done so for YEARS. No matter what the decision no-one wins.
cool

I'm pissed at him for getting us into the front of the firing line. Agreed, terrorists always find someone to bomb to bits. I just think we'd have been further down the list of countries to kick the shit out of had he listened more to his people and told Bush to go fight his own battles.
On that note, I'm putting this thread on ignore for the time being
if it hadn't been Blair......it would only have been another Prime Minister instead....and it will always be like that.....we are in alliance with the United States.....
Jags
Sex God
Quote by Sassy-Seren

OF COURSE you're entitled to your opinion and thank god for that! However, your comment only said you're pissed off at the PM being away, or did you mean you're pissed off that he issued a statement or what??
As for the other things - these terrorists will ALWAYS find a reason, hower innocuous, and have done so for YEARS. No matter what the decision no-one wins.
cool

I'm pissed at him for getting us into the front of the firing line. Agreed, terrorists always find someone to bomb to bits. I just think we'd have been further down the list of countries to kick the shit out of had he listened more to his people and told Bush to go fight his own battles.
On that note, I'm putting this thread on ignore for the time being
It's part of being a civilized and advanced western nation. Of course, in the developing world it's more civil war, neighbour against neighbour (Sudan, Ethiopa, Zimbabwe etc) and then it's other nations against the next nation (Israel, Lebanon) - doesn't matter who is in power - we vote them in and have to live with the VERY DIFFICULT (sorry for shouting) decisions they make on our behalf. That's called democracy.
I wouldn't enter politics for a the GNP of the UK and it's just awful that they are easy targets for when things are dodgy. It's OK to enjoy the good times (fiscal stability, higher incomes, greater freedom, increased benefits etc) and hate the bad times (increased income tax etc) but let's not beat them over the head at every opportunity - whatever the colour of the party - and lay the blame for the foreign policy handed down and formed over the past 100 years,
We are victims of the past and hostage to the present and forming the future.
8-)
Unknown User
Quote by Kiss_Me

The first person to say 'don't call me Shirley' is heading for a mega Jags slap!
rolleyes

:shock:
I seem to like playing with fire Jags..... I have heard the famous "Jags slap" mentioned many a time... but I have never seen it in action. What is it like? :scared:
:giggle:
bolt
Firelizard
Sex God
Quote by Jags
Very scary :shock: though I couldn't help but get more than a little peeved at this bit
<snip>
Prime Minister Tony Blair, on holiday in the Caribbean, paid tribute to the the police and the security services.
"I thank them for the great job they are doing in protecting our country. <snip>
Good job someone's doing something to protect us mad

I don't get the point of this snipe - sorry, snip. Do you expect Tony Blair to stand guard at Heathrow Airport with a gun??? FFS.. we have security services whose jobit is to guard us.
I REALLY REALLY hate these jibes which are not only unecessary but groundless.
banghead
Fair comment but if he hadn't got into bed with Bush and the US over Iraq, I don't see we would have been targeted as readily as this. It wasn't meant as a jibe, groundless or otherwise, just my own personal opinion which we are all entitiled to. The trouble with politics is everyone has different views and everyone thinks they are right and it's also the reason I don't get into debates on that subject.
I have my opinions, you have yours and the next person has theirs and we're all equally entitiled to them.
OF COURSE you're entitled to your opinion and thank god for that! However, your comment only said you're pissed off at the PM being away, or did you mean you're pissed off that he issued a statement or what??
As for the other things - these terrorists will ALWAYS find a reason, hower innocuous, and have done so for YEARS. No matter what the decision no-one wins.
cool
I’m sorry Jags, but I have to disagree with you on this.
The commonly held belief that Terrorists are queuing up to find a cause worthy of mass murder just doesn’t wash.
People, whoever they are, don’t give up their lives, homes and loved ones then plan “war to the knife” without feeling they have a very good reason for doing it.
Like it or not, the reason we have a world balancing on the edge of terror, is because we dismissed the voices of angry, sad or disillusioned people when we had the chance.
As for the PM not being able to get back if needed, well that’s a non starter too.
We have an Air force of sorts, perfectly capable of getting him home if needed. Whether he is needed or not is another question.
Stormwalker
Jags
Sex God
Disagreement is fine!! lol
I don't agree with you though. lol
History says different.
cool
Jags
Sex God
Here's a bloke who took direct and voilent action in the pursuit of his cause!

Now.. try blaming THAT on the PM!
lol
Firelizard
Sex God
Quote by Jags
Disagreement is fine!! lol
I don't agree with you though. lol
History says different.
cool

go on then, i'll bite......Cite a historical president for mass terrorism without some form of political or religious agenda. biggrin
Stormwalker
Your not a bloody history teacher are you?....those clowns told me all sorts of crap when I was a kid :giggle:
Abilene
Orgasminator
My opinion here ( and I am sure I will get a little flamed ) is that the target here was indirectly the USA. All 9 of the intended bombed flights were apparently USA bound. Now, I can say from experience that since 9/11, airport security in the States is ( again in my experience ) practically airtight. So, if you cant get to someone from the inside wheres the next best place ... the outside. Had this plot succeeded it would have not only tragically killed many people ( from many differnet places ), it would have made people wary ( if only for a time ) about flying to the USA which would thereby have hit us where it hurts .... the pocket. I say that because one of the things that has prominantly stuck in my mind is that prior terror attacks on the States have been aimed at two main things ... financial districts and military/goverment. It is not a secret that some of the fanatics of the world ( not pin pointing any group ) have a hate for how materialistic the States are ( or are perceived to be ). So while I hear what some are saying about how this wouldnt have happened if Blair were not "in Bushs pocket" I have to disagree .... they were looking for a way in and as past incidents have shown they dont care who they have to destroy to accomplish their final goal. People will try ( as is sane human nature ) to make sense of this but can you really make sense of something that comes from the minds of madmen?
Going back to my corner now.
poshkate
Sex God
Quote by firelizard
As for the PM not being able to get back if needed, well that’s a non starter too.
We have an Air force of sorts, perfectly capable of getting him home if needed. Whether he is needed or not is another question.

firstly can I just say well done to are intelligence services for the work that they have done to foil these attack on us and are allies.........
I'm not going to comment any further on the political issues but as for Tony Blair being on holiday......well why shouldn't he be on holiday..........and why should he return from holiday???
we have a policy in this country not to negociate with terrorists.........him returning from his holiday because an attack has been stopped by are expert forces would imply to these evil people that we are bowing down to them and that are government is listening to their demands.......
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Quote by Abilene
My opinion here ( and I am sure I will get a little flamed ) is that the target here was indirectly the USA. All 9 of the intended bombed flights were apparently USA bound. Now, I can say from experience that since 9/11, airport security in the States is ( again in my experience ) practically airtight. So, if you cant get to someone from the inside wheres the next best place ... the outside. Had this plot succeeded it would have not only tragically killed many people ( from many differnet places ), it would have made people wary ( if only for a time ) about flying to the USA which would thereby have hit us where it hurts .... the pocket. I say that because one of the things that has prominantly stuck in my mind is that prior terror attacks on the States have been aimed at two main things ... financial districts and military/goverment. It is not a secret that some of the fanatics of the world ( not pin pointing any group ) have a hate for how materialistic the States are ( or are perceived to be ). So while I hear what some are saying about how this wouldnt have happened if Blair were not "in Bushs pocket" I have to disagree .... they were looking for a way in and as past incidents have shown they dont care who they have to destroy to accomplish their final goal. People will try ( as is sane human nature ) to make sense of this but can you really make sense of something that comes from the minds of madmen?
Going back to my corner now.

I can't see any reason to flame you for that post......it all sounds pretty logical to me. Although I also think it was also aimed at the UK for political reasons too.......it will be interesting to see in the news if they uncover (and report on) simliar plots originating in Austrailia as (I believe - but redface just from watching Australian soaps) they also have a lot of business flights to and from the USA, and they have also been the target (Austrailian tourists at least) of bombs plots i.e. Bali bombings.
Les x
Jags
Sex God
Quote by firelizard
go on then, i'll bite......Cite a historical president for mass terrorism without some form of political or religious agenda. biggrin
Stormwalker
Your not a bloody history teacher are you?....those clowns told me all sorts of crap when I was a kid :giggle:

MOST mass terrosim/world wars/civil wars ARE driven by political or religious agendas, I have no disagreement with that. Did you say that before???
Quote by firelizard
Like it or not, the reason we have a world balancing on the edge of terror, is because we dismissed the voices of angry, sad or disillusioned people when we had the chance.:

I was hoping to disagree with that ^^^^^ comment.
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bolt
Tony wink
Firelizard
Sex God
Quote by poshkate

As for the PM not being able to get back if needed, well that’s a non starter too.
We have an Air force of sorts, perfectly capable of getting him home if needed. Whether he is needed or not is another question.

firstly can I just say well done to are intelligence services for the work that they have done to foil these attack on us and are allies.........
I'm not going to comment any further on the political issues but as for Tony Blair being on holiday......well why shouldn't he be on holiday..........and why should he return from holiday???
we have a policy in this country not to negociate with terrorists.........him returning from his holiday because an attack has been stopped by are expert forces would imply to these evil people that we are bowing down to them and that are government is listening to their demands.......
We have a stated policy not to negotiate with terrorists hun, kiss but behind closed doors we talk to anyone given the chance. Hell we made most of them….. sad
Stormy
Jags
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Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
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bolt
Tony wink

LOOK.... it's your last night without her. Take a couple of aspirin, a mug of hot chocolate and put on some soothing music. STOP writing love notes :shock: it's a waste of time, effort and trees.
lol :lol: :lol:
the_Laird
Sex God
Quote by firelizard
We have a stated policy not to negotiate with terrorists hun, kiss but behind closed doors we talk to anyone given the chance. Hell we made most of them….. sad
Stormy

How true confused
browning
Orgasminator
Oh no, politics! wink
This thread will run and run.
"I may not agree with what you say, but will fight for your right to say it".
Digest.
poshkate
Sex God

Alleged attacks Kate.
Last year there was a thread on Jean Charles de Menezes when all hands said how great the cops an security forces were :shock:
/quote]
well i did say foiled attacks..........and i was talking about the work of 5 and 6........
as for the case of jean charles de mendezes............that is totally separate from this case..........as for a thread about it........sorry but i wasnt here and didnt bring it up.........actually i can't see what the purpose of bringing it up actually is!........
poshkate
Sex God
Quote by firelizard
We have a stated policy not to negotiate with terrorists hun, kiss but behind closed doors we talk to anyone given the chance. Hell we made most of them….. sad

god..........i love being patronised.............
ok i'm 25 and blonde........but do not assume i'm that daft..........as i said earlier.......i'm not going to get involved any further into this debate (and thats for personal reasons)
right night all........
peenut
Orgasminator
do you think if i hijack this thread it will take me to cuba ?
Unknown User
Quote by Jags
:scared:
bolt
Tony wink

LOOK.... it's your last night without her. Take a couple of aspirin, a mug of hot chocolate and put on some soothing music. STOP writing love notes :shock: it's a waste of time, effort and trees.
lol :lol: :lol:
omg! she really told you that hahaha, i spent about an hour last night printing lots of little messages just with 'I love you' written on them and i stuck them to absolutely everything redface :lol:
btw, been looking through quite a few of them things tonight for you to look at innocent
Tony :wink:
Unknown User
Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
:scared:
bolt
Tony wink

LOOK.... it's your last night without her. Take a couple of aspirin, a mug of hot chocolate and put on some soothing music. STOP writing love notes :shock: it's a waste of time, effort and trees.
lol :lol: :lol:
omg! she really told you that hahaha, i spent about an hour last night printing lots of little messages just with 'I love you' written on them and i stuck them to absolutely everything redface :lol:
btw, been looking through quite a few of them things tonight for you to look at innocent
Tony :wink:Aaaaaw you really are :inlove: Isn't it just the best feeling ever :thrilled:
Pete_sw
Sex God
Quote by peenut
do you think if i hijack this thread it will take me to cuba ?

no, but it could get you shot :shock: apparantly dunno
BerryBelinda
Warming the Bed
Quote by Sassy-Seren
I'm pissed at him for getting us into the front of the firing line. Agreed, terrorists always find someone to bomb to bits. I just think we'd have been further down the list of countries to kick the shit out of had he listened more to his people and told Bush to go fight his own battles.

:thumbup: Precisely.
Quote by da69ve
if it hadn't been Blair......it would only have been another Prime Minister instead....and it will always be like that.....we are in alliance with the United States.....

That's the problem. It IS Blair. Whether we like it or now. Do we have a choice? NO!
I wonder how many people would vote to maintain this alliance, when it means we have to fight HIS power/oil-hungry wars and consequently be targeted? Let some other country suck up to Bush and put its citizens at risk. I vote we get the hell out of the Middle East and let Bush find another (mug) ally. We have no business being over there. OK so they helped us in WW2. But that was 60 sodding years ago. Can we not seek peace now? Have we not bombed enough innocent people yet?
If you keep poking something with a long stick, don't you expect it to get just a teensy bit angry?
mad
tmann
Sex God
Quote by Kiss_Me
Just when things get back to some sort of normality after 9/11 7/7 etc we are reminded of the possible threat from others. Thankfully it seems they have foiled a very evil plan.

I think that is the point.
tmann
Sex God
Quote by Sassy-Seren
Very scary :shock: though I couldn't help but get more than a little peeved at this bit
<snip>
Prime Minister Tony Blair, on holiday in the Caribbean, paid tribute to the the police and the security services.
"I thank them for the great job they are doing in protecting our country. <snip>
Good job someone's doing something to protect us mad

I don't get the point of this snipe - sorry, snip. Do you expect Tony Blair to stand guard at Heathrow Airport with a gun??? FFS.. we have security services whose jobit is to guard us.
I REALLY REALLY hate these jibes which are not only unecessary but groundless.
banghead
Fair comment but if he hadn't got into bed with Bush and the US over Iraq, I don't see we would have been targeted as readily as this. It wasn't meant as a jibe, groundless or otherwise, just my own personal opinion which we are all entitiled to. The trouble with politics is everyone has different views and everyone thinks they are right and it's also the reason I don't get into debates on that subject.
I have my opinions, you have yours and the next person has theirs and we're all equally entitiled to them.
The trouble with politics is politicians are after power. The country is best run by the professional; civil service. Look at inflation, do we have a problem know the government keep their nose out of the bank rate.
That does not detract form our chaps doing a great job, it's just the wrong job.