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Helen Mirren … right or wrong?

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Calista... I agree with him on this one... why do you think I didn't go to the police when it happened in the 1980's? things were a heck of a lot different then.....
Quote by bbw_lover

Actually the law does take that into account. If the 'victim' knowingly puts themselves in a dangerous or risky situation, they are generally seen as being culpable.

Pah! All that means is if I wear a short skirt and go out for a drink then 'mea culpa', not the person taking advantage of that?
Sadly that used to be the case! Most legal professionals try not to make such crass judgments anymore, but I suspect it probably still happens more than it should.
sad
Quote by Peanut
This is why.....
If no means yes then what's the bloody point in xxxxxxx? rolleyes
:twisted:
Mods Edit: I have edited the name of the drug from your post. Please read the AUP.

Well that's bollocks as far as I'm concerned. If they want to censor me then fine that's their choice but I'm fucked if I'm going to do it on their behalf.
In any case if some jobsworth mod wants to be pernickety then this whole thread is against the AUP.
I fucking hate adult censorship, especially when there's hypocrisy thrown in.
Get over it
Quote by Lost
This is why.....
If no means yes then what's the bloody point in xxxxxxx? rolleyes
:twisted:
Mods Edit: I have edited the name of the drug from your post. Please read the AUP.

Well that's bollocks as far as I'm concerned. If they want to censor me then fine that's their choice but I'm fucked if I'm going to do it on their behalf.
In any case if some jobsworth mod wants to be pernickety then this whole thread is against the AUP.
I fucking hate adult censorship, especially when there's hypocrisy thrown in.
Get over it
I definitely will.
Now if we can just get over the fact that one more post has been added to my post count...
People who dress in a certain way are not "asking for it" i often go out in mini skirts low cut tops etc thats just the way i am
People under the influence of drink and/or drugs are certainly more vunerable but again they are not "asking for it" either
The way things are, the victim is often made to feel like a criminal to protect the offender in the first place.
Maybe its our rose tinted view of the world and the many times the offender(s) are made into victims
Dont know if im making much sence but there ya go
Ho hum
I will also just post a little reminder of the AUP for anyone who hasnt read it recently, and will highlight the part which mentions excessive profanity and that it will not be tolerated.
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
I will also just post a little reminder of the AUP for anyone who hasnt read it recently, and will highlight the part which mentions excessive profanity and that it will not be tolerated.

Please define "excessive" so that we know when we're within the rules.
Quote by TanKinky
Dont know if im making much sence but there ya go
Ho hum

You're making plenty of sense, probably far more than the aging conservative magistrate/judge who's moral code is stuck in the 40s sad
Quote by Peanut
I will also just post a little reminder of the AUP for anyone who hasnt read it recently, and will highlight the part which mentions excessive profanity and that it will not be tolerated.

Please define "excessive" so that we know when we're within the rules.
If you want a specific example, read your posts on the previous page which contain excessive and unnecessary profanity.
Quote by TanKinky
People who dress in a certain way are not "asking for it" i often go out in mini skirts low cut tops etc thats just the way i am
People under the influence of drink and/or drugs are certainly more vunerable but again they are not "asking for it" either
The way things are, the victim is often made to feel like a criminal to protect the offender in the first place.
Maybe its our rose tinted view of the world and the many times the offender(s) are made into victims
Dont know if im making much sence but there ya go
Ho hum

That's why it's so complicated Tanny. Regardless of how someone is dressed or how much alcohol she/he has had doesn't mean that they "are asking for it".
Interestingly the majority of victims are usually dressed down not up, and usually doing some mundane task. So the whole issue of dressing sexily or getting drunk plays only a small part.
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
I will also just post a little reminder of the AUP for anyone who hasnt read it recently, and will highlight the part which mentions excessive profanity and that it will not be tolerated.

Please define "excessive" so that we know when we're within the rules.
If you want a specific example, read your posts on the previous page which contain excessive and unnecessary profanity.
As I said, what is "excessive". is it the word count? Is it the word choice? One person's excessive is another's regular mode of speech.
Peanut I really cannot be arsed arguing with you when you are being so pedantic. Try googling it, Ive got more important things to do than waste time bickering over something as trivial as this rolleyes
Quote by TanKinky
People who dress in a certain way are not "asking for it" i often go out in mini skirts low cut tops etc thats just the way i am
People under the influence of drink and/or drugs are certainly more vunerable but again they are not "asking for it" either
The way things are, the victim is often made to feel like a criminal to protect the offender in the first place.
Maybe its our rose tinted view of the world and the many times the offender(s) are made into victims
Dont know if im making much sence but there ya go
Ho hum

Makes perfect sense here :thumbup:
However that’s not what Helen Mirren said or what Anne Widdecombe was commenting on, and I think the OP was asking for peoples opinions on the comments made and the scenario they were based on.
Maybe to emotive a topic?
Quote by Peanut
Dont know if im making much sence but there ya go
Ho hum

You're making plenty of sense, probably far more than the aging conservative magistrate/judge who's moral code is stuck in the 40s sad
Isnt the jury service supposed to combat that though? (when a jury is used) 11? peoples codes instead of 1?
Quote by bbw_lover
That's why it's so complicated Tanny. Regardless of how someone is dressed or how much alcohol she/he has had doesn't mean that they "are asking for it".
Interestingly the majority of victims are usually dressed down not up, and usually doing some mundane task. So the whole issue of dressing sexily or getting drunk plays only a small part.

Wont argue with that :cry:
Quote by Deviants
Makes perfect sense here :thumbup:
However that’s not what Helen Mirren said or what Anne Widdecombe was commenting on, and I think the OP was asking for peoples opinions on the comments made and the scenario they were based on.
Maybe to emotive a topic?

Yup do understand that i was commenting on the bit of the discussion bbw lover and calista were having, i should of quoted, and it will always be an emotive subject
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Keeno, I'm wondering why no-one has responded to my previous comment... this has actually happened to me.. yet no responses.....

Hey kiss
I understand and appreciate what you are saying Miss K.
I am guilty of not responding to your post. The reason, and maybe it's not a good one, is that after hearing what happened to you, I was so overwhelmed by a "oh my God" feeling, that I couldn't think of anything appropriate to say.
If I'd said "I'm really sorry that happened to you Miss K" (which of course is what I do feel), it seems to somehow make less of it than it was... like as if I was saying, "I'm really sorry you had your car pinched" or something on that level.
If I'd said "Oh my God, how horrendous that must have been, " again, that sounds like trivialising it, as I feel no one could understand how horrendous something like that is, unless they have experienced it.
So...... I'm sure people are not just ignoring your post. I think, like me, people sometimes say nothing, rather than risk saying the wrong thing.
Thank you Cherrytree :kiss I had a think after I posted it.. and said to Keeno I thought it might be because people didn't know what to say. I just felt I had to say something, as people were making comments without the actual knowledge of the situation, which I had.
But thank you for replying to me.. it means a lot. If people don't feel that they can post on here, I am happy to get pm's and will try to help people to understand....
It is a very difficult subject....
Quote by Cherrytree
Keeno, I'm wondering why no-one has responded to my previous comment... this has actually happened to me.. yet no responses.....

Hey kiss
I understand and appreciate what you are saying Miss K.
I am guilty of not responding to your post. The reason, and maybe it's not a good one, is that after hearing what happened to you, I was so overwhelmed by a "oh my God" feeling, that I couldn't think of anything appropriate to say.
If I'd said "I'm really sorry that happened to you Miss K" (which of course is what I do feel), it seems to somehow make less of it than it was... like as if I was saying, "I'm really sorry you had your car pinched" or something on that level.
If I'd said "Oh my God, how horrendous that must have been, " again, that sounds like trivialising it, as I feel no one could understand how horrendous something like that is, unless they have experienced it.
So...... I'm sure people are not just ignoring your post. I think, like me, people sometimes say nothing, rather than risk saying the wrong thing.
Quote by Misskitty_2008
Thank you Cherrytree :kiss I had a think after I posted it.. and said to Keeno I thought it might be because people didn't know what to say. I just felt I had to say something, as people were making comments without the actual knowledge of the situation, which I had.

Some people DO have the knowledge and choose not to discuss it, :thumbup:
Quote by TanKinky
Thank you Cherrytree :kiss I had a think after I posted it.. and said to Keeno I thought it might be because people didn't know what to say. I just felt I had to say something, as people were making comments without the actual knowledge of the situation, which I had.

Some people DO have the knowledge and choose not to discuss it, :thumbup:
Yep, and just because it's posted, doesn't mean people should be expected to respond confused
Quote by Freckledbird
Thank you Cherrytree :kiss I had a think after I posted it.. and said to Keeno I thought it might be because people didn't know what to say. I just felt I had to say something, as people were making comments without the actual knowledge of the situation, which I had.

Some people DO have the knowledge and choose not to discuss it, :thumbup:
Yep, and just because it's posted, doesn't mean people should be expected to respond confused
No one's expected to do anything? Free choice?
dunno
it may have been asa measure to keep the thread on track about the origional post and to try and not make this a personal thing or to try and judge on an individual matter.
sorry that makes sense to me
xx fem xx
Quote by bbw_lover
Thank you Cherrytree :kiss I had a think after I posted it.. and said to Keeno I thought it might be because people didn't know what to say. I just felt I had to say something, as people were making comments without the actual knowledge of the situation, which I had.

Some people DO have the knowledge and choose not to discuss it, :thumbup:
Yep, and just because it's posted, doesn't mean people should be expected to respond confused
No one's expected to do anything? Free choice?
dunno
So no need to question why nobody has responded then?
Quote by Misskitty_2008
Keeno, I'm wondering why no-one has responded to my previous comment... this has actually happened to me.. yet no responses.....
My take-
four years ago, I went on board the ship to crew for a few day's. Both my previous seasons aboard had seen me sleeping with a fellow crew member. There are no secrets on the ship, so I was seen as something of a "sure thing."
On this trip, however, I'd pledged to be virtuous and keep my legs shut. Late one night, there were about four of us left in the galley, when a deckie known as a bit of a ladies man cracked open a bottle of whiskey. Before you know it, the others had had their fill & sloped off. He suggested we go up to the fo'c'sle, as chatting in the galley late at night will always mean you're keeping someone awake. I was really quite ratted by this point- and I reckon I'd been given more than my fair share of whiskey.
However, I smelt a rat. But we'd been having a very stimulating conversation, and as I cannot sleep when I'm on board, it was chatting in the fo'c'sle or lying awake for hours in my hammock, listening to the ship creak. So, I laid my cards on the table & said "you do know I'm not going to sleep with you, don't you Bob*" to which he responded- "christ no, we're just a couple of insomniacs putting the world to rights- nothing more!"
Reassured, I went with him. we got up top, and there was a young deck hand sewing up the sleeves in someones coat. After a while of the three of us chatting, the alcohol had really hit me in the cold night air, and I was utterly sloshed. When Bob had a quiet word with the other guy, and the other guy disappeared, I reiterated my stance to Bob. He again reassured me that his intentions were honourable. He was well respected on board, and friends (and cabin mate) with one of the only two guy's I'd trust with my life. So he had to be ok.
Time passed, and as we'd gone out for a crew meal that night I was relatively dressed up- in skintight jeans & a tight T-shirt. I got cold & shivery. When he suggested I cuddle up to him- I did. I cuddle several of my male friends, after all. Before you knew it, he was groping me.
Everything went "clunk" in my head- I told him to lay off, and got up to leave.
What followed was a four hour onslaught by the guy- desperate for me to sleep with him. He followed me around every bit of the ship. He was utterly relentless. Eventually, I managed to get to where my best mate was sleeping, and wake her. I hid way in the heads whilst she tried to get him to back off. Even with her there, he kept on. Trying to tell her that he'd look after me, and she should go back to bed. Eventually, he relented. Next morning, he sheepishly apologised.
I told my male friend what had happened the next day, and he warned him off- big time.
Alcohol marred my judgement. It made me think that the warning signs could have been something else. Would he have me? I don't know. But if he had, he would have been responsible for . I would have been irresponsible for getting myself into that position. I should have known better. I did know better. I was utterly bloody stupid. But the only thing I did wrong was trust him.
Interestingly enough, the next day my best mate felt he was blameless. He was just acting like any bloke would. I was overreacting by being furious with him.
Why's that interesting? She has been .
kiss for winchy
Dont understand your friends actions/reactions though
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kiss for winchy
Dont understand your friends actions/reactions though

She's always worked in male domains- and deems all men to be untrustworthy. Therefore, I was in the wrong for trusting him. Sad thing was, she had me not trusting men for a while- but I snapped out of that as most of my closest friends are men.
I didn't post to elicit sympathy, just to share an experience- but I'll keep the :kiss: anyhoo, if thats ok? wink
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kiss for winchy
Dont understand your friends actions/reactions though

She's always worked in male domains- and deems all men to be untrustworthy. Therefore, I was in the wrong for trusting him. Sad thing was, she had me not trusting men for a while- but I snapped out of that as most of my closest friends are men.
I didn't post to elicit sympathy, just to share an experience- but I'll keep the :kiss: anyhoo, if thats ok? wink
Of course you can keep the :kiss: have a hump to?, It wasnt really in sympathy though more in awe of the honesty of your post
Your friends reactions makes more sense now thanks for explaining
This thread's starting to take on a different slant confused
correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think this thread was supposed to be an 'attracting sympathy/attention' one was it? A member of my family has been there, believe me I KNOW the trauma this can cause which is why I've mainly kept out of it BUT the OP's question was not about that am I right?
Quote by TanKinky
kiss for winchy
Dont understand your friends actions/reactions though

She's always worked in male domains- and deems all men to be untrustworthy. Therefore, I was in the wrong for trusting him. Sad thing was, she had me not trusting men for a while- but I snapped out of that as most of my closest friends are men.
I didn't post to elicit sympathy, just to share an experience- but I'll keep the :kiss: anyhoo, if thats ok? wink
Of course you can keep the :kiss: have a hump to?, It wasnt really in sympathy though more in awe of the honesty of your post
Your friends reactions makes more sense now thanks for explaining
aaw man can I have a :hump: too??? perhaps a 3sum?? :grin:
Quote by fem_4_taboo
it may have been asa measure to keep the thread on track about the origional post and to try and not make this a personal thing or to try and judge on an individual matter.
sorry that makes sense to me
xx fem xx

:thumbup: I should've read this first before posting my bit - totally agree wink
Quote by jaymar
aaw man can I have a hump too??? perhaps a 3sum?? :grin:

:hump: 69position
3sum ya dirty minx... when and where :rascal:
Agree with you both... I didn't post what happened to me to get any sympathy, agree with you there Winchwench.. and I am sorry if I upset anybody by saying people made comments without actually knowing how it feels... I hope you will accept my apology in the spirit its meant.
All I wanted to do was to let people know things are not clear cut, and it is very difficult to talk about. The way that victims or survivors are treated these days, is so much different to the 1980's, and unfortunately so many people did not come forward to report their experience.
And just another quick slant on the media article... how do we know that is exactly what she said? I have been in my local papers for various charity things, and have been misquoted more than once on a small article... might be something worth thinking about....
Quote by jaymar
it may have been asa measure to keep the thread on track about the origional post and to try and not make this a personal thing or to try and judge on an individual matter.
sorry that makes sense to me
xx fem xx

:thumbup: I should've read this first before posting my bit - totally agree wink