How can this be right ?

13 Aug 2008

Apparently its the residents responsibility now rolleyes

What about the council and the Police/courts doing something to curb the practise by punishing those few that are caught vandalising in the first place !!

13 Aug 2008

It said its the residents responsibilty if you own your own house. Well we are home owners and what are we paying out council taxes for?
It makes you wonder!
I would like to know if anyone has been taken to court for this and lost their case

13 Aug 2008

The worlds going mad! rolleyes

13 Aug 2008

Quote by helnheaven
The worlds going mad!

I quite agree!

13 Aug 2008

They must be running out of offenders on community service rolleyes

13 Aug 2008

It's more likely some "brainstorming" done one afternoon by people who "think" they have a good idea and then fail to recognise the targets who may be vulnerable!
Our council is the same rolleyes

Come up with some hairbrained scheme, and immediately launch it without thinking it through!!!

13 Aug 2008

As the article says - the residents are the victims of a crime. -- So if you get stabbed in Bury, do they expect you to clean up the bloodstains off the pavement ??

13 Aug 2008

Quote by HJ

As the article says - the residents are the victims of a crime. -- So if you get stabbed in Bury, do they expect you to clean up the bloodstains off the pavement ??

well you do know that Bury is best known for its Black Puddings! :twisted:

13 Aug 2008

Bring back the stocks!

13 Aug 2008

Quote by Misterwood
Bring back the stocks!

So what did the Oxo company do to you? :cry: :P

13 Aug 2008

They ig-Knorred my my pleas for increased community punishments! lol

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Steve

Apparently its the residents responsibility now
What about the council and the Police/courts doing something to curb the practise by punishing those few that are caught vandalising in the first place !!

Because that is way too difficult.
The much easier route is as always to sting the innocent and let the guilty walk away scott free. Local councils make me sick with their money pinching ways. Always looking to grab money from their tax payers at every opportunity.
A spokesman for Bury Council said: "If people want to have a better quality of life and keep vandalism at bay they must take some responsibility for their communities.
"Graffiti makes a place look uninviting and attracts anti-social behaviour.
What about councils adopting the same " responsibilties " themselves? :shock:
So I cannot understand what that means. Are they saying if you see a ferel yob spraying your fence you either say something, or grass them up to the police? Yes of course people will do that won't they? :shock: If you say something you are likely to get a mouthfull or worse, and if you grass them up IF the cops turn up and take action, what about the retribution that surely will follow?
These morons live on another planet to the decent hard working tax payers. I say let the local councilors come round and clean it up, as they are surely part of the community too....no? :shock:

14 Aug 2008

i can see why they would be upset, but i think there is a very good idea in there.
Whats going to happen, is that the residents of that road are going to get very angry with the situation (more than they would if they didnt have to clean it themselves) the council (and police) are hoping that this will get the community to take action against vandals and petty criminals, that doesnt mean they have to report them, as said by others here, people are too scared etc etc to do that.
The sad fact is that in most cases, graffiti is done by local people, i think its called 'pissing on your own doorstep' hopefully the parents of those doing the act will feel they must take more responsibility
personally, i think its a good move, will it work, possibly, but its got to be worth a punt hasnt it?
in response to graffiti on your wall, if its your wall, its your resposibility, if they vandals broke your window, you have to pay,not nice, but true! if they are communial walls, thats a different story!
for those who didnt read all the way to the bottom of the story, the council are providing the homeowners with cleaning kits, its all about helping people to take pride in where they live, its a good thing!

14 Aug 2008

Quote by kentduo
i can see why they would be upset, but i think there is a very good idea in there.
Whats going to happen, is that the residents of that road are going to get very angry with the situation (more than they would if they didnt have to clean it themselves) the council (and police) are hoping that this will get the community to take action against vandals and petty criminals, that doesnt mean they have to report them, as said by others here, people are too scared etc etc to do that.
The sad fact is that in most cases, graffiti is done by local people, i think its called 'pissing on your own doorstep' hopefully the parents of those doing the act will feel they must take more responsibility
personally, i think its a good move, will it work, possibly, but its got to be worth a punt hasnt it?
in response to graffiti on your wall, if its your wall, its your resposibility, if they vandals broke your window, you have to pay,not nice, but true! if they are communial walls, thats a different story!
for those who didnt read all the way to the bottom of the story, the council are providing the homeowners with cleaning kits, its all about helping people to take pride in where they live, its a good thing!

Not as an ALTERNATIVE to catching the little bastards it isn't.
I start asking the question - what is 'reasonable force' now. If it's enough to stop them doing it again I can see a justification for chopping their hands off.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by foxylady2209
i can see why they would be upset, but i think there is a very good idea in there.
Whats going to happen, is that the residents of that road are going to get very angry with the situation (more than they would if they didnt have to clean it themselves) the council (and police) are hoping that this will get the community to take action against vandals and petty criminals, that doesnt mean they have to report them, as said by others here, people are too scared etc etc to do that.
The sad fact is that in most cases, graffiti is done by local people, i think its called 'pissing on your own doorstep' hopefully the parents of those doing the act will feel they must take more responsibility
personally, i think its a good move, will it work, possibly, but its got to be worth a punt hasnt it?
in response to graffiti on your wall, if its your wall, its your resposibility, if they vandals broke your window, you have to pay,not nice, but true! if they are communial walls, thats a different story!
for those who didnt read all the way to the bottom of the story, the council are providing the homeowners with cleaning kits, its all about helping people to take pride in where they live, its a good thing!

Not as an ALTERNATIVE to catching the little bastards it isn't.
I start asking the question - what is 'reasonable force' now. If it's enough to stop them doing it again I can see a justification for chopping their hands off.
Thats a bit barbaric. dunno

What about the birch as an alternative? lol

:lol:

14 Aug 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Thats a bit barbaric.
What about the birch as an alternative? :lol:

and would that be a public flogging? :lol:

14 Aug 2008

Quote by helnheaven

Thats a bit barbaric.
What about the birch as an alternative? :lol:

and would that be a public flogging? :lol:
Of course...would not miss it for the world. :lol: :lol:

14 Aug 2008

If you catch the graffiti "artists" at work, give them a fiver, a couple of extra spray cans, and the addresses of all the local councillers. ;-)

14 Aug 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

Thats a bit barbaric.
What about the birch as an alternative? :lol:

and would that be a public flogging? :lol:
Of course...would not miss it for the world. :lol: :lol:
Ya Perv! :lol:

17 Aug 2008

I think the stocks are to good for some people. But if residents have to remove graffitti can they do their own policing and sentancing. Tar and feathering is a brilliant solution I have been reliably informed. Then at least you can use them as a duster afterwards.

18 Aug 2008

It is just sensationlist reporting by the papers to get the backs up of the community.
Owning property has always carried responsibilty for that property. If it is broken, the owner fixes it. If it is vandalised, the owner cleans its. It has been like this for years in this country. You buy the property and you gain the rewards from any inflated price on it. When it comes to paying out then it should rightly fall on the individual homeowners head. Why should I pay for something on a private property? If my toilet broke would I expect the taxpayer to pay for it if it was a private house?
The law also states that, if caught, you can then claim damages against the person who carried out the act.
So what is happening out there. In my area the police are patroling more, there has been more Community Police Support Officers employed and the Council have employed Wardens. All these patrol but acts of antisocial behavior does still go on. If someone sprayed my wall then I would have to clean it. If someone broke a window then I would have to repair it. It would be unfair for other taxpayers to pay for my private property because it is my house. If I didn't want to do this and expect the Council to do this then I should not have bought my house and moved into council accomadation.
Dave_Notts