ideas for verifying members as genuine

11 Jan 2009

One site which we use does have a verification system, its totally worthless as anyone can verify anyone (you can even verify yourself if you have more than one profile) but thats another argument. This particular site also runs munches and socials, but the munches and socials are only open to members who have been verified. The reason for this is that they 'presume' that anyone who has not been verified is not genuine.
So do we do something like on SH? I can certainly imagine that some organisers will want to restrict who attends (they already do) but can you imagine the impact this will have? What happens if someone decides to be a bit daring and organise a social that is open to non-verified members. So what do you get, a room full of people who only want to come along to a social cause they cant get a shag without being verified. confused

Sorry if this sounds negative, but in my opinion, I think the verification system is just a way to get a quick meet without taking the time to get to know people and find out if they are genuine. It proves nothing and is totally worthless as it still does not guarantee anything, it just proves that the person, or persons was verified by someone (who says the person who did the verification was genuine).
Swinging Heaven as always prided itself as being one of the best sites around and it was different from the others (some of which are total trash) but I hate to see it lowering its standards by 'copying' other sites.
Now I know I will get flamed for this, but as others have said, we are all entitled to our opinion.

11 Jan 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
I've stayed out of this thread for my own reasons however, I do feel that I have a right NOT to be judged whether I am a genuine person who would like to 1) make friends on this site whether I play or not & 2) Have some sexy fun with people from this site if I want to.
Who has the right to comment if some one is genuine or not ffs? Every one is genuine here whether they want to play or not
So I voted No Verification
This is getting too serious- IMHO
In edit- if I've got the wrong end of the stick here then sorry!! Have not tried reading the past 23 pages :giggle:

Can you explain to me how you think that is?
I am confused.
This site is used by people who swing & people who just want to be friendly. So we are all genuine in our own right.
How can you verify yourself or some one else if you haven't actually met anyone in person?
For example- What if some one is bed ridden decides to join this site? It offers a chance to become friends on here & in chat. It could keep their spirits up every day & maybe it could be a lifeline for them.
Can you or anyone else verify him/her if you have not met this person?

11 Jan 2009

Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
One site which we use does have a verification system, its totally worthless as anyone can verify anyone (you can even verify yourself if you have more than one profile) but thats another argument. This particular site also runs munches and socials, but the munches and socials are only open to members who have been verified. The reason for this is that they 'presume' that anyone who has not been verified is not genuine.
So do we do something like on SH? I can certainly imagine that some organisers will want to restrict who attends (they already do) but can you imagine the impact this will have? What happens if someone decides to be a bit daring and organise a social that is open to non-verified members. So what do you get, a room full of people who only want to come along to a social cause they cant get a shag without being verified.
Sorry if this sounds negative, but in my opinion, I think the verification system is just a way to get a quick meet without taking the time to get to know people and find out if they are genuine. It proves nothing and is totally worthless as it still does not guarantee anything, it just proves that the person, or persons was verified by someone (who says the person who did the verification was genuine).
Swinging Heaven as always prided itself as being one of the best sites around and it was different from the others (some of which are total trash) but I hate to see it lowering its standards by 'copying' other sites.
Now I know I will get flamed for this, but as others have said, we are all entitled to our opinion.

I think you are a very brave, honest and true LADY for saying it. :thumbup:
Yours Phredd : kiss

11 Jan 2009

Quote by medic_1
I think you are a very brave, honest and true LADY for saying it. :thumbup:
Yours Phredd :

:shock: thought you was going verify me then lol

but you used the word lady, :lol: :lol:

11 Jan 2009

Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
:shock: thought you was going verify me then but you used the word lady, :lol: :lol:

Verify NEVER = Certify YES.
bolt

medic_1 :bolt:

11 Jan 2009

Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
One site which we use does have a verification system, its totally worthless as anyone can verify anyone (you can even verify yourself if you have more than one profile) but thats another argument. This particular site also runs munches and socials, but the munches and socials are only open to members who have been verified. The reason for this is that they 'presume' that anyone who has not been verified is not genuine.
So do we do something like on SH? I can certainly imagine that some organisers will want to restrict who attends (they already do) but can you imagine the impact this will have? What happens if someone decides to be a bit daring and organise a social that is open to non-verified members. So what do you get, a room full of people who only want to come along to a social cause they cant get a shag without being verified.
Sorry if this sounds negative, but in my opinion, I think the verification system is just a way to get a quick meet without taking the time to get to know people and find out if they are genuine. It proves nothing and is totally worthless as it still does not guarantee anything, it just proves that the person, or persons was verified by someone (who says the person who did the verification was genuine).
Swinging Heaven as always prided itself as being one of the best sites around and it was different from the others (some of which are total trash) but I hate to see it lowering its standards by 'copying' other sites.
Now I know I will get flamed for this, but as others have said, we are all entitled to our opinion.

:worship: :worship: :worship:
SH does stand out from the crowd as the best swinging site around. With verification, we will just blend in with all the other sites sad

11 Jan 2009

Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
One site which we use does have a verification system, its totally worthless as anyone can verify anyone (you can even verify yourself if you have more than one profile) but thats another argument. This particular site also runs munches and socials, but the munches and socials are only open to members who have been verified. The reason for this is that they 'presume' that anyone who has not been verified is not genuine.
So do we do something like on SH? I can certainly imagine that some organisers will want to restrict who attends (they already do) but can you imagine the impact this will have? What happens if someone decides to be a bit daring and organise a social that is open to non-verified members. So what do you get, a room full of people who only want to come along to a social cause they cant get a shag without being verified.
Sorry if this sounds negative, but in my opinion, I think the verification system is just a way to get a quick meet without taking the time to get to know people and find out if they are genuine. It proves nothing and is totally worthless as it still does not guarantee anything, it just proves that the person, or persons was verified by someone (who says the person who did the verification was genuine).
Swinging Heaven as always prided itself as being one of the best sites around and it was different from the others (some of which are total trash) but I hate to see it lowering its standards by 'copying' other sites.
Now I know I will get flamed for this, but as others have said, we are all entitled to our opinion.

:thumbup:
This is very much what I was trying to say on about page 4 (but I think I was speaking Welsh at the time :? )

Quote by blonde to choon
Sorry but I can't talk to you until you have been verified! :smug:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Curiously enough I have just been 'verified' in effect by someone on here. :smug:
That's one of the things I love about this place.
My guess is that Admin are going to introduce it - it will turn out to be useless and then we'll get a load of whingers making their sole appearance in the Café griping about how flucking unreliable the verification system is. rolleyes

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11 Jan 2009

Quote by westerross
My guess is that Admin are going to introduce it - it will turn out to be useless and then we'll get a load of whingers making their sole appearance in the Café griping about how flucking unreliable the verification system is.
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I have a funny feeling you are right there Tune but I hope not sad

11 Jan 2009

Quote by westerross
Curiously enough I have just been 'verified' in effect by someone on here. :smug:
That's one of the things I love about this place.
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And that's all about relying on your instinct and trust! kiss

11 Jan 2009

If we have it on not.
I think it is great there have been 469 replies and nobody had thrown any personal insults, it goes to shows we can debate, that is what I love about these forums. :thumbup:

11 Jan 2009

duplicate post x

11 Jan 2009

yes one good thing about this verifaication thread is that its got some blood back in the forum.
ive enjoyed listening to everyones opinions.
it will be a sad day, now i know newer members may not understand why the non verification thing is such an issue, but when we found this place, we discovered a community, not a sex site, a community that based trust honesty and values really high, we took people by their word and that word was it will always remain free and we will never have a verification system here.
i even think the whole pay thing was rummored to be hoped a way to stop fakes, i mean who would pay if they were not genuine? yeah right lol. and who willget verified unless they are genuine yeah? humm.
i cant trawl back through old threads very well,but a question i woudlike answered is why did the owners chose to buy this site???? wasnt it for its uniqueness? what are you doing it us?
people are leaving cuse its turning into a sex site. and people will join cuse its a sex site, but eventually you will lose its soul.
can i ask , if the mods dont like it do they still have it as a list of jobs to verify?
xxx fem xxxx

11 Jan 2009

Quote by flower411

Im sorry but I disagree, I dont think people should be directed to this thread for them to make up their minds before voting. People on this site are adults and have minds of their own so are perfectly able to make desisions without reading this thread.

So why do they need a verification system ??
Why don`t they make up their own minds ?
You`ve lost me now !!! :shock:
:giggle:
Back of the net! :thumbup:

11 Jan 2009

Quote by fem_4_taboo
why did the owners chose to buy this site???? wasnt it for its uniqueness?

I've asked myself the very same question!
No one really likes change and we have had a fair few, to keep a website alive then change must take place.
My stance on this subject is that I would prefer not to have any type of verification system, however there are others who would prefer to have one. Admin are in the unenviable position of having to satisfy both sides.
So an opt-in system satisfies this! It means those against aren't forced into having it, but those for can switch it on and be happy.
It's going to happen to arguing the fors and againsts is pointless!
The real discussion should be directed as to what those for the system want the system to do! Is it to identify that profiles are as they state ie single male, single female or couple. In which case it's going to be difficult to regulate because you're relying on people to update their profile when it changes (people just don't do that especially when it costs each time!). IMHO it's pointless basing a system on this.
Feedback is another suggestion, but unless negatives are allowed as well as positives, it is a worthless system again. People just won't approve any negative feedback against themselves! If feedback is given without prior approval then the system is open to abuse, and I suspect would cause more problems for admin than they are will to have to deal with! Not to mention people's reputations!
Tick/Crosses, a simple non personal way of dealing with things. A cross can mean that someone has met this person and had a good experience (be that a meet, social, munch etc), a cross could mean that the person didn't turn up with no contact or reason given. Again still open to abuse, fake verification etc.
I can't think of the others at the moment, but I really think the conversation needs to move from, it will work/it won't work, we want/don't want it, to establishing what verification actually means and what system will satisfy that definition.
Is verification a means of establishing that the person is who they say they are (male/female/couple)?
Is it a way of proving that the photos are actually of that person?
Is it a rating of how good the person is?
Is it a way of proving that the person swings and turns up?
Unless we all have the same definition of verification and what it means then I can see this conversation going round and round for another 20 pages!!!

11 Jan 2009

Quote by flower411

Im sorry but I disagree, I dont think people should be directed to this thread for them to make up their minds before voting. People on this site are adults and have minds of their own so are perfectly able to make desisions without reading this thread.

So why do they need a verification system ??
Why don`t they make up their own minds ?
You`ve lost me now !!! :shock:
they dont NEED a verification system, they WANT one.
lost is lost? lol

11 Jan 2009

Quote by Calista
Unless we all have the same definition of verification and what it means then I can see this conversation going round and round for another 20 pages!!!

We'll call it the Veri-go-round.
Sorry bolt

One other thing is that, if negative feedback is allowed, there's always two sides to a story. How many times have we seen here - let alone in the media - how things can be misunderstood/misrepresented on quite straightforward issues.
I hear someone say 'You can opt out'. Hmmm, yes that's OK until the powers that be or munch organisers stipulate that you've got to be verified to attend. What? - on an unreliable and contentious system - No thanks!
We do actually have a form of verification for munches etc. It usually takes the form of having to have been a member for a certain length of time or getting yerself known in the Forum etc. I suppose that's gone by the wayside now has it?? dunno

Seemed to work before - ah but it probably involved a bit of judgement - dangerous that - far better to have an accredited verification system!!
Oooh - I've come over all cynical and sarky. I could do with a rub down - any offers??
.

11 Jan 2009

Quote by westerross

Unless we all have the same definition of verification and what it means then I can see this conversation going round and round for another 20 pages!!!

We'll call it the Veri-go-round.
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:giggle:
I hereby christen this thread the Veri Go Round .....

11 Jan 2009

awhh tune id rub you up and down, but im to porley sad

xxx fem xxx

11 Jan 2009

Quote by westerross
I hear someone say 'You can opt out'. Hmmm, yes that's OK until the powers that be or munch organisers stipulate that you've got to be verified to attend. What? - on an unreliable and contentious system - No thanks!
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I asked the same question, or should I say, made the same statement earlier and this is one thing that really does frighten me about verification. I can only see it having a negative impact on the site as a whole, and even though I can understand that some people want a bit of a 'comfort blanket' I think the overall effect of verification makes the site less of a community swingers site and more of a quick shag site.
However, I can say that any munch that I organise will never be for verified members only. If the munch rules do change then I will stop doing them, simple as that.
I know that people often hate change and often feel uncomfortable with change, but I for one have been very pleased with a lot of recent changes to the site and do feel that they have been good for the place. However, I don't see the point of making changes just for the sake of it.
To the people who are complaining about not having verification, I ask, why did you join the site in the first place as you knew it didnt have verification? Why not stick with the sites who do have it rather come here and then try chaange it?

11 Jan 2009

Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple

I hear someone say 'You can opt out'. Hmmm, yes that's OK until the powers that be or munch organisers stipulate that you've got to be verified to attend. What? - on an unreliable and contentious system - No thanks!
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I asked the same question, or should I say, made the same statement earlier and this is one thing that really does frighten me about verification. I can only see it having a negative impact on the site as a whole, and even though I can understand that some people want a bit of a 'comfort blanket' I think the overall effect of verification makes the site less of a community swingers site and more of a quick shag site.
However, I can say that any munch that I organise will never be for verified members only. If the munch rules do change then I will stop doing them, simple as that.
I know that people often hate change and often feel uncomfortable with change, but I for one have been very pleased with a lot of recent changes to the site and do feel that they have been good for the place. However, I don't see the point of making changes just for the sake of it.
To the people who are complaining about not having verification, I ask, why did you join the site in the first place as you knew it didnt have verification? Why not stick with the sites who do have it rather come here and then try chaange it?
well said NWC
i voted against as i dont want verification, SH has been the leading swinging site without verification, i know other sites use it and tbh i hate the sites that do, i am a member but rarely frequent.
i dont want someone saying i am a genuine person, i know i am a genuine person and am real, i can pinch myself and it hurts so yea i am real.
does the verification status not sortof cross over with being a bit indiscrete? you cant verify someone as genuine if you havent met them be it socially or to play
theres the negative side if someone purely just dont like you they give you negative feedback, given the amount of people who hook up on here then fall out thats gonna happen quite a bit if you ask me
this has probably all been said in previous posts on this thread but thats my 2 pennys worth
if it offends anyone, tough!
oh and as an aside, if verification does come in, anyone who wants to meet me, if you ask if i am verified you will get no further, and please no one verify me cos i probs wont bother with you again.
i need no one to broadcast to the community that i am genuine thank you very much, i do very well on my own and need no help ta.

11 Jan 2009

maybe we need a i will not meet verified member box lol
i really hope we dont get verification here. like i say seen it on other sites, but i dont use those sites cuse its a meat market with whos shagged who.
nasty
but i see those sites saying only verifieds can read the whats on listings etc, can post ads for parties.
xx fem xx

11 Jan 2009

Quote by fem_4_taboo
but i see those sites saying only verifieds can read the whats on listings etc, can post ads for parties.
xx fem xx

i mean isnt that a catch 22
how do you get verified if only verifieds can go to socials etc without meeting personally and being verified by that person which again is indiscrete

11 Jan 2009

i know which is what i thought, who starts it off? lol
chicken and egg.
i fear if we only have photo verification ie showing your a couple or female or male, it wouldend at that, but i fear it will just get messier and messier.
a picture of a man dont tell me he where does it stop,someone says he turned up?, but did he preform?, was he really vvwe? was he really 6 ft? etc etc.
its pointless so i dont see the point. all it will do is divide the site.
be carefull someone dont come along with a great idea for a swinging site that decides to be origional and like this place once was.
i kinda wanna scream, fooookkkk off why did you buy it? why did you join if it wasnt what you wanted???
xxx fem xx

11 Jan 2009

I'd rather scream "fancy a shag?" cause I think that's perhaps what the problem is.
It's a bit like me trying to run a mechanics forum without ever having lifted a wrench or a bonnet. wink

11 Jan 2009

It could be an addition like "Extras"
How about "Vextars" wink

11 Jan 2009

Quote by medic_1
It could be an addition like "Extras"
How about "Vextars"

lol arent they cars redface

11 Jan 2009

Quote by earthchild
It could be an addition like "Extras"
How about "Vextars"

lol arent they cars redface

That would be a Vectra! :giggle:

11 Jan 2009

Quote by Dirtygirlie
It could be an addition like "Extras"
How about "Vextars"

lol arent they cars redface

That would be a Vectra! :giggle:
lol shurrup n open ya mechanics forum lol

11 Jan 2009

Quote by earthchild
It could be an addition like "Extras"
How about "Vextars"

lol arent they cars redface

That would be a Vectra! :giggle:
lol shurrup n open ya mechanics forum lol
OK then can I try again and have "Sextras" confused

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in edit:- Noooo forget my last. Its sounds like a late night Sky show on TV.

11 Jan 2009

One of the mainstays of swinging is discretion. If two (or more) people meet the default situation is that NO-ONE else knows about it. If one side chooses to publicise the fact, without the other's agreement they are flamed - and quite rightly. And would probably struggle to get another meet.
So how does the verification work while maintaining discretion?
"I (insert name) confirm that X (do NOT insert name) is a genuine swinger and I know because we (may or may not) have met."
I haven't been on sites that use verification - and I certainly would NEVER use a site that uses verification to control my access to the facilities.
We have plenty of ways to confirm someone is what they claim to be without a formal verification process. And if people chose not to use those methods that's their choice. But that's fine since we are all grown-ups - we are allowed choice.

do you think the site should have a verification system