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do you think the site should have a verification system

Quote by Darkmeet101
I have just voted in favour for the introduction of 'verification' on this site as a means of sorting out the wheat from the chaff.
I know I'm genuine; the people I've met via this site know that I am genuine but anyone else I may choose to contact will not. They would have much more confidence were they to see some form of indication on my profile (from people I have already met) that I am single, that the photos on my profile are a true and honest representation of my current physical appearance, that I can and do host/accommodate in my own home and that I did meet as agreed/arranged.
It will not stop some people 'trying to get around the system' for reasons known only to themselves but it will give some help to those who are genuine and trying to arrange a meet with others.

Quote by SH Newsletter
Verification or Reputation system
Over 70% of all submitted comments were asking for some kind of system. This was no surprise as the poll earlier in the year on this subject made peoples feelings very clear requesting a system. Over the last eight months we have been drawing up plans for a "reputation" system called "Shrep". It will be far better than anything that you have seen or used elsewhere and will be far less open to abuse by random members. It is not a mandatory system and there are a wide range of privacy options. Further details will be released later in the year once the development work has been concluded.
Thanks for the information on the future development Cubes. I will await in eager anticipation.
For Mistress_39: I think you misunderstood an element of my post. I was not suggesting that you merely take the word of other members as to whether or not you should meet with a particular advertiser/member. I meant that there is an advantage to knowing that there is a real and genuine person behind an ad, that they are who they say they are (or at least are not a single man pretending to be a couple, someone 'playing away from home' or an under-aged adolescent on his/her pc at home!) and that someone has actually met them in the flesh and can confirm that they at least look like their profile photo, that they appear to be single/a couple as stated on their profile and that they did accommodate or turned up as arranged and did not pull out of a planned meeting.
We are members of this site and use many others. We ONLY ever meet people off sites where there is a verification system. So we NEVER actually meet people off this site UNLESS they are also on any other site that uses verification.
Why do we do this well it gives us an indication of whether they are genuine swingers or not, over the years we have seen too many timewasters, so a verification system while not perfect does give an indication of whether the person in the profile is both who they say they are and also if they actually do meet people.
Just a few comments on what other have put on this thread. The point about having multiple account and just verifying yourself dosen't work, you have to be verified before you verify others, sometimes more than once.
You also have the option of showing the verification or not, so you don't have to show how many people you have met etc.. also the comments are ALWAYS positive, so you cannot slag people off etc..
Asking members by way of a vote on wether they would like averification system is NOT a good idea! It is flawed in that you are asking yhose who are not genuine if they want to be found out!
Some have said that verification systems are on free sites, not all of them there are some pay sites that use verification, just because you pay doesn't mean your genuine, if your looking for kicks the cost of joining a swinging site is cheap!
Finally there is a a way to get verified on this site! Take alook at our profile you will see that in our quick comments we have a verification.. JUST A THOUGHT
If Shrep does eventually come in, can I be Donkey?
Quote by Hornyheather
We are members of this site and use many others. We ONLY ever meet people off sites where there is a verification system. So we NEVER actually meet people off this site UNLESS they are also on any other site that uses verification.
Why do we do this well it gives us an indication of whether they are genuine swingers or not, over the years we have seen too many timewasters, so a verification system while not perfect does give an indication of whether the person in the profile is both who they say they are and also if they actually do meet people.
Just a few comments on what other have put on this thread. The point about having multiple account and just verifying yourself dosen't work, you have to be verified before you verify others, sometimes more than once.
You also have the option of showing the verification or not, so you don't have to show how many people you have met etc.. also the comments are ALWAYS positive, so you cannot slag people off etc..
Asking members by way of a vote on wether they would like averification system is NOT a good idea! It is flawed in that you are asking yhose who are not genuine if they want to be found out!
Some have said that verification systems are on free sites, not all of them there are some pay sites that use verification, just because you pay doesn't mean your genuine, if your looking for kicks the cost of joining a swinging site is cheap!
Finally there is a a way to get verified on this site! Take alook at our profile you will see that in our quick comments we have a verification.. JUST A THOUGHT

Intersting, we have a verification on our quick comments, never tought about it before. This is our first site and steps into the world of swinging.
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If Shrep does eventually come in, can I be Donkey?

You're a stallion, baby!
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If Shrep does eventually come in, can I be Donkey?

You're a stallion, baby!
Puss in kinky boots?
"for you baby...I could be..."
So where is SHREP then? We're all waiting.........& waiting.........& waiting.......
We have been members of swinging heaven for a lot of years now. It is a fantastic site and runs rings a lot of the others and has the best chat room set up. How ever we have long felt that the lack of some kind of feedback/verication system has always been swinging heavens achillies heel.
For examaple: this year we decided to meet mainly single males over the year we invited around 20 single guys from here to join us for fun. We did all the checks phone calls web camming chats in the chat room and other ways they all seemed gen and arranged time n dates to meet. We accommed traveled got baby sitters out of those guys only 3 turned up. verification would of saved us a lot of wasted time, effort and money
The site does not allow naming n shaming but if there was feed back it doesn't have give names or what u did or how he performed. were not interested in that, thats private business as far as we are concerned. all we'd like its something like. turned up as arranged, accurately matched profile (have a few that looked nothing there profile discription or pic). it doesn't have to be complicated things are always best kept simple!
As the poll showed 70% in favour we need it soon rather than later.
as ive said before.
too many back stabbing arseholes will screw up someones profile because they are jealous,been knocked back or just because they used you to get back at there ex boy/girlfriend.
it will cause more trouble than its worth so forget it.
if you want to really know what someones like meet them for yourself because from what most people say you never get the true picture.
Quote by tyracer
as ive said before.
too many back stabbing arseholes will screw up someones profile because they are jealous,been knocked back or just because they used you to get back at there ex boy/girlfriend.
it will cause more trouble than its worth so forget it.
if you want to really know what someones like meet them for yourself because from what most people say you never get the true picture.

As someone who as always vehemently been against any kind of verification system, I can see exactly what you are meaning with this, and have always felt pretty much the same. We have NEVER relied on verifications and from this site, have never been let down (there is time yet though) but I have had a look at how the SHrep will work and have to say that I think this is going to be a really good addition to the site, and the way it is being set up, will not allow people to sabotage another persons profile.
However I do agree that a verification or Reputation system will not ensure that people turn up, and as you say, Tyracer, you never get a true picture from what someone else says about a person, and you can old find out for yourself by meeting them, but for people who prefer to rely on something like this, then I do feel it will be a good addition to the site.
I would love to be varified as genuine, as I have heard so many stories about other single guys who let themselves down by not turning up etc. However I don't see it ever happening, someone would have to admit to meeting me for a start, sad but true. Then there is the prospect of naming folk publically. Believe it or not even I have had the odd encounter, and doubt I would get anymore if I was to say with whom!
I guess that if peeps wanna talk about what they do and all involved agree then why not post about it in the cafe? But no telling tales out of school!
IN theory I think some kind of verification is a good idea. How its implemented is the tricky bit..
As in the post above people do get flu and peoples babysitters let them down, what were interested in is if the baby sitter lets then down 5 times they get flu 6 times in a year or 5 of their grandparents pop off just when they are going for a meet lol One other concern I have is I would want it to be anonymous. Definitely dont want who we have met strung across our profile. Imagine if ever anyone you did not want to know found out what you did and looked up who you meet on your profile, nice.
This has to be done right or not at all.
Shrep is a very very good system, it is far better than anything else out there. Delays have been caused making sure we have fully legally protected the ideas, as well as in depth planning from all angles. i for one get annoyed that we keep coming up with the stuff for everyone else to take the ideas. This one we will be protecting legally at all costs as it is so very good.
It is in fact so good that we have had no negative feedback from the opinion group that has been privy to the full details at this stage. Even the very anti have been pleased with the well thought out and very clever way that it all works. It is in development right now but like the new site it will be delivered properly only after proper testing.
I wish I could give you a lot more right now, but I cant until just before launch. But everyone should find Shrep useful in one way or another.
I have moderated and owned, ahem, one or two V Bulletin board forums in my time, and have always believed in having a reputation point system where one poster can award points to another for his or her efforts. Whenever I have been owner / admin this has always been anonymous, those where everyone can see who awarded the rep, especially negative, have caused too much trouble. Member facilities to chose whether to participate or not make sense too, with those opting not to receive automatically unable to award reputation.
Of course this system is all well and good when applied to forum members as a way of rating their posts, but if applied to the real life situations in here I can envisage many very highly rated couples and very lowly rated single fellas, me for instance because it's all about me innit? Lol!!
BrightonGeezer for once I actually think MadMax is right, SH has really put a hell of a lot of thought into Shrep and although not every site member will be happy with what comes out, many many many members will.
I never thought in a month of Sundays I would be happy with any form of system being put in place.
However, having seen a few ideas and having talked to MadMax, even I'm struggling to find fault. I'm looking forward to seeing the result :thumbup:
its a complicated business this sex thing isn't it.................rolleyes
i think introducing a verification system could encourage some spitefulness in certain people. I know when i've had no intention of meeting someone and they persist trying to get me to and i tell them flat no, they start getting nasty and calling me a tease, when i've never even mentioned wanting to meet them. some people might abuse this 'power' and write bad things etc or give bad reviews when no meet was even planned because they were pissed off they got knocked back. idk. it relies heavily on good faith, which the system now does anyway. and we have the quick comment stuff on our pages which can be used as verification if people choose to use it that way.
Ok, I posted quite a while ago (maybe a year?) about how I felt SH could benefit with SOME form of verification system (wake up people, other sites, free or paid, have it and it works - describe ONE site where its been successfully abused? No? Didn't think so)
What does Verification even mean? Simply "Being able to prove it does what it says on the tin". Would you buy a house you haven't stepped in? Would you buy a car you've NEVER heard anything about much less test driven? Couples - did you "go on gut instinct" the first time you met your respective partners and decide to drag them off there and then to the nearest alter, or did you play out a "period of personality verification" to see if they were suitable? And before people shoot me down and say "Well marriages break down anyway" may I retort that "Fine, let’s all marry strangers we have no clue who they are from Adam then!"
Would you employ someone without and employment process or at least some "referral" from a friend or someone that's worked with the person? "Oh, it won't work, I'll go on gut instinct!". Yeah right.
We need to understand a few things: there are different forms of verification that offer different levels of "social" protection;
One Level (useful for couples and single females) merely prove that "Yes, it is NOT a single male pretending to be a couple"
A second level (seen on a certain free site) proves that the person's appearance in the picture is recent (from the example, no older than 24 hrs) - I know of a certain guy on THIS very site who on his profile has made himself younger by 10 years, used another bloke's cock pic and worst of all, someone else's face pic (the person in the pic has a moustache and much darker skin tone) - but its ok, as he's a nice guy and verification will prove nothing,... right?
A third subtle level of verification can be seen by some as their ability to interact in a social setting,... say at a munch. I long faced the challenge of not being able to get meets because no one knew me, and as such had to wait for a social, but as the social was only attended by people who were known, i.e. "facially verified" or "vouched for" I found myself in the catch-22 (cant go as not known, but wont be known till I go)
Then there's the sexual verification... your classic ""turned up, great meet, good time had by all" - this is what I feel most people would prefer to keep private or at least the option of private. I have no issue with this, if I wanted everyone to have a journal or who I played with and when and in what position, I'd have that recorded and published.
But lets not be fooled people - SH needs something, I refuse to accept the "use your instinct" argument on the simple basis if I'm looking at 10 profiles, I'd be more inclined to know and focus on the 4 legit ones (and as soon as possible) than discover I've invested 6 months patiently trying to build rapport with 6 complete and utter no-go-zones. No one is saying verification is perfect or it will "solve all the problems", but not having it is like suggesting "Don't lock your doors, if you lock it someone (the ASBO-seeking chavs) will just break it then you have to pay for the repair". Fine - get robbed instead - much smarter and cheaper option.
The trick IS in the design and implementation - that is for SH to think about, but for me, I'd rather be able to spot someone a mile away going "Ooh, would really love to meet up" when they don’t have a face pic, no one knows anything bout them, no background whatever. Let’s face it NO ONE can really claim they've never had someone try it on with them and they sussed "leave that one well alone" without some physical "record" other than "instinct". Some years back one lady from Nottingham who prides herself on her meets and her ability to read people said the main reason she'd not want to know me is because she felt I had a secret wife at home - of first social meeting! So much for "being able to read people", all she had to do (if she followed simple evidence) would be to see that I'm not married!
To those that suggest "We won't be interested in anyone that uses verification", good luck to ya, your logic eliminates all the verified legit swingers and leaves you with the fakes that have no where to hide.
To those that say "We'll leave SH if verification comes in", ... see ya!
I really cant see how it will work without being open to abuse....
It will be far too easy for people to rubbish someone simply because they do not like them and if any form of verification has to be confirmed by the person being verified then whats the point dunno
They can then simply pick and choose which ones they want visible....
Have seen verification on another site I used to use and have met supposedly verified people who were at least 10 yrs older than their supposedly verified photo's rolleyes
At this moment in time I am firmly in the NO camp......
Firstly I have to admit to not reading much of this thread.........but it’s 35 pages long.....I’m only a slow reader redface.......and its new years eve tomorrow night rolleyes
On profiles there is the option to leave ‘a quickie’ ,these ‘quickies’ can be managed by the account user....surely anyone wanting verification can use this as a way of getting verified by asking the other users they have met to leave a ‘quickie’.....or a simple.....loved watching you on cam the other night.......also gives verification that they are a cpl......and not a single bloke with a cpl's account
Those that don’t think verification is a good idea.......don’t have to use it .......doesn’t that make everyone happy? :smile:
open to abuse i here some cry.......isn't every type of verification....at least this way its optional? :smile:
What about having a picture on your profile whilst holding a piece of paper/card with your username wrote on it?........that seems to work elsewhere.....and again it’s optional :smile:
As for people not looking like their photo’s because they are old pictures........we have met people with recent photos on their profile........and they look nothing like they do in their pics when you meet them confused
Anyway what I am trying to say is........there already is the option for a verification system for those that want it......and for those that don’t
lip :mrgreen:
The other problem is that those that choose not to use any form a verification could well be viewed with suspicion.....
Does that then leave them up the creek without a paddle if someone they want to meet uses verification dunno
I actually don't give a toss about it either way now. I've been here for years and managed perfectly well without being verified. I would opt out of any verification system and if people see that as suspicious, tough shit. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep because they think I'm not genuine/real/active/whatever.
Quote by Freckledbird
I would opt out of any verification system and if people see that as suspicious, tough shit.

I think if they do this it has to be mandatory for everyone or not at all. Otherwise dont think it will work in the slightest.
Quote by tweeky
I would opt out of any verification system and if people see that as suspicious, tough shit.

I think if they do this it has to be mandatory for everyone or not at all. Otherwise dont think it will work in the slightest.
According to the SH newsletter, the system won't be mandatory:
Quote by SH Newsletter
Verification or Reputation system
Over 70% of all submitted comments were asking for some kind of system. This was no surprise as the poll earlier in the year on this subject made peoples feelings very clear requesting a system. Over the last eight months we have been drawing up plans for a "reputation" system called "Shrep". It will be far better than anything that you have seen or used elsewhere and will be far less open to abuse by random members. It is not a mandatory system and there are a wide range of privacy options. Further details will be released later in the year once the development work has been concluded.
Quote by tweeky
I think if they do this it has to be mandatory for everyone or not at all. Otherwise dont think it will work in the slightest.

If they did make it mandatory then I would be cancelling my account...
Quiet at the back.....
It's coming
It's called SHREP
It's voluentary
What's the problem? dunno
Maybe it has an annoying donkey attached?
Quote by Gufuncouple
It's coming
It's called SHREP
It's voluentary
What's the problem? dunno
Maybe it has an annoying donkey attached?

Some of us dont want/wont use it.....An opinion we are entitled to voice....
Quote by Steve

I think if they do this it has to be mandatory for everyone or not at all. Otherwise dont think it will work in the slightest.

If they did make it mandatory then I would be cancelling my account...
Quiet at the back.....
So you're effectively saying you'll only go for swing sites that have NO verification?
Ok, here's an example - when you log into SH with your username, why do you add your "personal" password? Think about it. Answer? "To prove that its you - who you are".
That's identity verification. Still wanna cancel your account? Good luck finding a "good, popular and reputable" swing site without some form of verification. (I wish I could use abbreviation without the full site names - I enjoy WWE, for those in the know)..
... the "global adult site" has testimonials - if anyone tries abusing it, they end up looking silly.
... the poplular UK paid site has a feedback system and I've only seen ONE case of abuse which was dealt with quickly and fairly (bearing in mind it has over 700,000 subscribers, some with 1-5 "feedback", some with over 100, so a case of "one" is hardly justifiably abuse)
... the "free site" where you "hold a card with your face, user name and date" has one that looks good. Is it perfect? I don't know - but its helped me pick out "accounts of suspicion" (shows interest in me, joined over a year ago, no pics, no verification, wants to meet up, wants me to send more pics...), yeah, cause I look that gullible.
People still saying its open to abuse? It depends on the system design itself - I say cite an example (preferably in existence today) how it can be. The only way it can be abused is if someone gets creative depeneding on how its done - that's one person beatign a team of designers,... if its built right to factor in scenarios (persoanlly I like the "Can't verify unless already verified" idea).
Here's another angle. Your friend (person A) enquires about persons B and C as potential meets down the line, seeking your general opinion. You know persons B and C - B being trustworthy and a decent meet (no one said you've met or played with them) and you know C to be the scum of the earth. Do you choose not to give an opinion about B because you deem it breaking the "discretion" rule whilst applying the same judgement to C and risking your friend having a horrible time? Saying nothing in both cases will do this, saying somethign in both cases, whilst fair to your friend will be seen as some as "not being discreet". Both are forms of veririfcation, even if its merely verbal referral - pickign and choosing the situation however means as far as verification goes then you change your mind depending on the situation. Bring it on I say!
Quote by Freckledbird
I actually don't give a toss about it either way now. I've been here for years and managed perfectly well without being verified. I would opt out of any verification system and if people see that as suspicious, tough shit. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep because they think I'm not genuine/real/active/whatever.

So you won't want SHreping!! :giggle:
Have I met you?? :bounce:
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