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- - - I'd have my child removed and send them to a school that wanted to teach.

For those who just want the gist - this is what the school reckons "You will notice that the children will not be given spelling lists to learn over the week and then be tested in class.
"We have taken the decision to stop spellings as homework as it is felt that although children may learn them perfectly at home they are often unable to use them in their daily written work.
"Also many children find this activity unnecessarily distressing."

Don't these tree-hugging (insert swear word) realise that students are being marked down in University exams for poor English? If they won't teach basic English (and basic Maths) then what can they expect the children to do with the other subjects? Finger-paint their answers? Do a darling little play showing how it feels to be a tree? That'll look good on the job/Uni application form. (insert icon)
I know many people struggle with spelling, and I'm not criticising them in any way - but for a school to choose NOT to teach it is appalling. Will they choose not to teach adding up next?
i dont think they arnt going to teach spelling, they just arnt going to do the traditional way of giving children words to learn and then testing them in school
if, as they say, the children arent able to use the words when writing despite having been able to spell them in the tests, then it seems that its a good thing surely
i would imagine they are going to use other methods to teach the children to spell, ways which will also enable them to use the words when writing
personally i dont like to see children tested that way anyway because no matter how they do it it still has some children feeling "stupid" because they cant spell
i know its important to make sure children do learn to spell as well as posible but there are other ways instead of the humiliation of coming last in a spelling test
i know from my experience at school how awful it is, im dyslexic and in the end i simply didnt bother to try to learn because i knew i wouldnt get any right
my children have had similar problems and they often cried at home because they felt stupid at school due to the spelling tests
but they have all got good jobs and good lives despite not being able to spell smile
I know this sounds screwy foxylady but as a teacher I used to give my children spelling words to learn weekly and tested them on Friday. It did cause the children a lot of stress mainly from parents who used to compete with each other. Then on the other end of the scale there were the children whose parents didn't help them at home and those children always felt bad getting poor marks. What it says in the statement is quite correct. The children could spell a word perfectly in their spelling test, but 10 minutes later when writing they would come up and ask for that exact word or spell it incorrectly in their story. Therefore they are not using the skill they have learnt in their general work. I would think that what the school intends to do is teach spelling in a different way which will be less stressful for the children and also help with the transference skills.
My daughters school gives her daily spelling homework. This has been the position since she was much younger. She is nine now.
She has regular testing, broad-based teaching and even learns another language.
Her report when she was 8 indicated, upon testing, that she had a reading age (then) of 14.
I think they do things the right way where she is taught...I had no idea of the gaps that exist in education nowadays in this country.. I thought things were pretty much standardised.
I have often wondered why they give spelling without the children being taught the comprehension. It is a bit like little Billy for instance can read any book but you then get him to explain it, he doesn’t have a clue. I would rather my children be able to use what spellings they know within the work they produce.
Plus if parents want, they can teach their children at home with spelling.
Why do they need them as homework?
We teach a spelling rule and give examples of spellings to learn, which use that rule. The spellings are differentiated so that less academically able children still have spellings to learn.
Oh and DeeCee, they all have to learn a language from year three onward now. I teach French in our school from year one to year six (ages five to eleven).
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I have often wondered why they give spelling without the children being taught the comprehension. It is a bit like little Billy for instance can read any book but you then get him to explain it, he doesn’t have a clue. I would rather my children be able to use what spellings they know within the work they produce.
Plus if parents want, they can teach their children at home with do they need them as homework?

If parents want, or not as the case is in many homes.
Kids round here are in well before the parents, then they nip in for a quick box meal in the microwave, then out until about 9ish, then in, no bath and then bed. Dont have a clue when the parents would have the time to teach them anything. lol
But all joking aside, my 6 year old Grandaughter brings home spellings, which she is tested on. This system seems to be common practise in most schools, and has been for years. So why all of a sudden does some numpty want to come along and change it for what they think is a better way? It seems to work for my Grandaughter. Probably a case of the Monday morning brigade again. mad
They SHOULD be taught to spell. The amount of CV applications I discount on a daily basis because the CV's have spelling and grammar errors is unreal. It's getting worse too every year.
It is so unbelievable that children in this day & age can be allowed to leave school without basic spelling & grammar. If they can't do it by school leaving age, they should be kept behind until they damn well can! They'd soon learn then. It's like everything these days - it's not can't, it's WON'T.
*Her*
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They SHOULD be taught to spell. The amount of CV applications I discount on a daily basis because the CV's have spelling and grammar errors is unreal. It's getting worse too every year.
It is so unbelievable that children in this day & age can be allowed to leave school without basic spelling & grammar. If they can't do it by school leaving age, they should be kept behind until they damn well can! They'd soon learn then. It's like everything these days - it's not can't, it's WON'T.
*Her*

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Quote by Freckledbird
We teach a spelling rule and give examples of spellings to learn, which use that rule. The spellings are differentiated so that less academically able children still have spellings to learn.
Oh and DeeCee, they all have to learn a language from year three onward now. I teach French in our school from year one to year six (ages five to eleven).

We also set differentiated spellings and teach the methods/rules about how to spell. Most research does show that spelling tests are absolutely pointless...they get full marks in the test and fail to improve spellings in work. I believe that spellings and homework should be stopped...family time is just as valuable and the poor souls have to take in SOOOO much new information every day. It would be like us starting a new job every day and then having to find the energy to do yet more work at home. If the curriculum was back to the old days when I was at school and hand no R.E, French, PSHE, 5 maths and 5 Literacy sessions a week, maybe there would be more time for concentrating much more on getting the basics right!! I'm sure many of you will disagree with me!!
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We teach a spelling rule and give examples of spellings to learn, which use that rule. The spellings are differentiated so that less academically able children still have spellings to learn.
Oh and DeeCee, they all have to learn a language from year three onward now. I teach French in our school from year one to year six (ages five to eleven).

We also set differentiated spellings and teach the methods/rules about how to spell. Most research does show that spelling tests are absolutely pointless...they get full marks in the test and fail to improve spellings in work. I believe that spellings and homework should be stopped...family time is just as valuable and the poor souls have to take in SOOOO much new information every day. It would be like us starting a new job every day and then having to find the energy to do yet more work at home. If the curriculum was back to the old days when I was at school and hand no R.E, French, PSHE, 5 maths and 5 Literacy sessions a week, maybe there would be more time for concentrating much more on getting the basics right!! I'm sure many of you will disagree with me!!
I agree with a lot of your points but...I feel homework is of the upmost importance. I also believe that the 3r's should be at the top of the schools agendas. If you have a good knowledge of the 3r's, you will do ok in life.
Getting back the the basics seems sensible beyond words.
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. I also believe that the 3r's should be at the top of the schools agendas. If you have a good knowledge of the 3r's, you will do ok in life.
Getting back the the basics seems sensible beyond words.

Yeah !! lol
Reeding Riting and Riffmatic !!!
You went to same school as me, didn't ya??? :lol2: :lol2:
Quote by couplefunuk
They SHOULD be taught to spell. The amount of CV applications I discount on a daily basis because the CV's have spelling and grammar errors is unreal. It's getting worse too every year.
It is so unbelievable that children in this day & age can be allowed to leave school without basic spelling & grammar. If they can't do it by school leaving age, they should be kept behind until they damn well can! They'd soon learn then. It's like everything these days - it's not can't, it's WON'T.
*Her*

Agreed.
When I was an Accreditation Worker - spelling and grammar wasn't important, as in it was more about a young person achieving in other areas and taking part, not feeling a failure or targeted because of spelling etc.
So, although we didn't make a point of it - we found ways that empowered young people. A small example - we worked with small groups, 12 at the most in a three hour session. It wasn't school work or in a school environment.
The majority wanted to feel proud of what they were doing and achieve a high standard. We taught them to use power point/word/computer, on-line dictionary, spell check, how to research, bibliography, always had a thesaurus and dictionary out during sessions, proof read each others work, how to sign post.
This was for public speaking, writing cv's, organising and planning conferences, journalism, photography, writing reports/speeches, writing funding bids, management, delivering a public service - loads more! All very relevant and high achieving.
I had great feedback from schools I worked with saying young peoples work and interest in subjects had improved - as well as attendance. In fact it went down so well they started to ask me to take on under achievers and work with them out of school during the day. I loved doing this work as did my colleagues.
The end came when schools gave me 30 young people to get through accreditation equivalent to GSCE's or A Level's in three months, without offering me any additional funding to do it - I refused! (still had other work to complete for my funders and this was extra)
Suppose, what I'm saying is although spelling and grammar is important - it doesn't have to be done in schools - there are other ways that can be intensive and workable and isn't supported.
Half of these young people who lived in a deprived neighbourhood went onto to Uni or higher education when the system had given up on them. I've just heard from one young man who underachieved and was constantly bullied is going into politics...
Ok so some are in prison but ya cant win em all confused :?
I've read the posts (unusual for me LOL) and I agree with many of the points made. I would say, it was quite late and I was tetchy already when I read the article. I certainly didn't pick up that the school was actively using any other opportunities to teach spelling - but that could well have been selective reporting.
I was at infant/junior school from 1968 to 1976 and it was during the whole flower power / being creative stuff. I was put in detention for something (no doubt I deserved it) and had to write an essay about why I was being punished. Which was a very enlightened punishment I reckon. Anyway, I sat in the hall, with my paper on one of those long wooden benches with the knobs on the ends, and wrote a whole page of A4 on why I had done whatever it was and how unreasonable it was that I was being punished. It had no punctuation, no capitals and ran together with almost no gaps between words - I was so furious with the punishment.
They gave me an A.
Is that right? Shouldn't it have been an F?
I don't think many people can get the best out of their work life without some pretty solid English skills, and I am certain that their choices become limited. But with imagination and support, people can develop the skills they need.
But any piece of work that uses English, must surely lose a lot of status and influence if it is poorly written. And I feel that all children - and adults if they want it - should be taught to the best of their ability to GCSE or even A level. And to omit to provide each child with the strongest basis in English and Maths is to omit the two most basic rungs of the educational ladder.
I certainly agree that no teaching should make a child feel useless or thick. But that wouldn't mean avoiding tasks that the children find hard/distressing, it means offering a varied and individual package of teaching methods.
well wen i waz at skool i ad a rite good teecher ou tught me ta shpel reel good lik, i waz good at maffs two. i is a hi coort judge now.
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I don't think many people can get the best out of their work life without some pretty solid English skills, and I am certain that their choices become limited. But with imagination and support, people can develop the skills they need.
But any piece of work that uses English, must surely lose a lot of status and influence if it is poorly written. And I feel that all children - and adults if they want it - should be taught to the best of their ability to GCSE or even A level. And to omit to provide each child with the strongest basis in English and Maths is to omit the two most basic rungs of the educational ladder.
I certainly agree that no teaching should make a child feel useless or thick. But that wouldn't mean avoiding tasks that the children find hard/distressing, it means offering a varied and individual package of teaching methods.

Can't fault that reply at all.
Maybe they gave you an 'A' because they knew you'd deliberately made the mistakes you made? After all, it would have been unlikely to contribute to any assessment would it? You had a teacher with a sarcastic streak lol
No way would I like to be thought of as a grammer fascist but......
I work with builders. Generally they are good guys. Bright, happy and good problem solvers but the have a fairly loose grasp of written English. I have one who on his official company letterhead uses "your" instead of "you're".
Who do I blame um.... the schools. There has always got to be an emphasis on written english whether it is grammer or spelling.
I know my spelling isn't great so please don't offer corrections biggrin