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Quote by EagerSlut
Give the guy a chance! smackbottom :smackbottom:
Just some of the things he's got to catch up with are all the postings since last night, read PMs, make notes in order to reply, AND have a personal life too (it is the weekend after all).
There is more to life than SH! rolleyes :roll:
innocent :whistling: :whistling: [

There is??????????????
I need to catch up on the last 4 hours of postings but I don't like the poll
I do not think the SH changing hands will have any benefit to the community
How can so many people agree to this when we are still unsure what the new company will be bringing to the site.
It is not fully clear what is going on, not even for the bosses.
As Calista said ages ago, we are the community and if we stay here then the community will stay oblivious to what else is being built up around us rolleyes
Mmmmmmmm think the first thing we should do is not call them Bosses biggrin
They are owners and now we are non paying customers confused
Everyone is equal in here are we not?
Quote by Sexysteph
I need to catch up on the last 4 hours of postings but I don't like the poll
I do not think the SH changing hands will have any benefit to the community
How can so many people agree to this when we are still unsure what the new company will be bringing to the site.
It is not fully clear what is going on, not even for the bosses.
As Calista said ages ago, we are the community and if we stay here then the community will stay oblivious to what else is being built up around us rolleyes

Too bloody true Dawn which is why I refuse to vote in the poll as I do not see it serves any purpose. Cant we get rid of it? dunno
I agree with both Dawn and Steph BUT to get rid of the poll at this stage would only invite such comments as = "Freedom of Speach" has gone and we are being gagged.
Let the Poll stay.
phredd
Strange, I thought I'd posted a good morning thread to Elliot this morning - seems to have disappeared dunno
Anyway I have a serious question, which I don't think has been asked yet.
I can sense that after the initial shock quite a few of the Mods/Ops are coming 'round and are obviously co-operating otherwise they wouldn't be here as Mods etc would they. I also note that the Owners/Employees of the Company are registered as Mods or Admin.
I presume that the pre-existing Mods are still operating on an honorary basis, this is quite an important distinction to a lot of members here because it clearly influences that person's motivation. Will the new owners be introducing some easily identifiable way we can tell whether people are employees or volunteers? I think they should.
Quote by westerross
Strange, I thought I'd posted a good morning thread to Elliot this morning - seems to have disappeared dunno
Anyway I have a serious question, which I don't think has been asked yet.
I can sense that after the initial shock quite a few of the Mods/Ops are coming 'round and are obviously co-operating otherwise they wouldn't be here as Mods etc would they. I also note that the Owners/Employees of the Company are registered as Mods or Admin.
I presume that the pre-existing Mods are still operating on an honorary basis, this is quite an important distinction to a lot of members here because it clearly influences that person's motivation. Will the new owners be introducing some easily identifiable way we can tell whether people are employees or volunteers? I think they should.

We have no plans to become staff - all the Mods are here because 1) we love the site and 2) we love Mark - just cos Mark has chosen to hand the site over is no reason for us to 1) stop loving the site or 2) stop loving Mark.
As Missy so nicely put it last night (you'll need to search for it) we have no intention of becoming pimps. Hope that that settles things?
Now - my bottle of wine is open and I want to enjoy it.
:rose: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote by westerross
Strange, I thought I'd posted a good morning thread to Elliot this morning - seems to have disappeared dunno
Anyway I have a serious question, which I don't think has been asked yet.
I can sense that after the initial shock quite a few of the Mods/Ops are coming 'round and are obviously co-operating otherwise they wouldn't be here as Mods etc would they. I also note that the Owners/Employees of the Company are registered as Mods or Admin.
I presume that the pre-existing Mods are still operating on an honorary basis, this is quite an important distinction to a lot of members here because it clearly influences that person's motivation. Will the new owners be introducing some easily identifiable way we can tell whether people are employees or volunteers? I think they should.

The people in green that you know and love are volunteers and are not paid for their work on the site. The others in green are getting paid. I also hope a clear distinction is made between the two soon. It is something that has already been suggested from some members of one group of greens to the other.
Well both those answers are reassuring - so thanks for that. They are of course from the 'part of the greens' which we all know and trust - however, over time others may appear on different terms - so I'd like to echo the call for the distinction to be made.
Quote by westerross
Well both those answers are reassuring - so thanks for that. They are of course from the 'part of the greens' which we all know and trust - however, over time others may appear on different terms - so I'd like to echo Blue's call for the distinction to be made.

We are working on it Tune cos we think it's the best way to go too. The new folk have said that they will not Mod the site so any moves/deletions/deactivations etc etc will be the work of the usual hardworking and snoggable Mods. See signature for further instructions!
:happy:
Sorry for delayed reply, I have been behind the scenes sorting more stuff out, pm’s etc etc.
Ok 5 pages to catch up on, probably by the time I’ve wrote this it will be 8!
I have read ALL of the replies, and taken them on board, I have only replied to those who asked direct questions though, as it was just simply to many smile If I missed any please re-post.
Froggystyle – Point taken about the 4 different communities, I didn’t realise it was such a split, no doubt there are people that use some/all, and/or drift between. Providing one overall login is a fairly easy thing to do, and will provide us a much better way of keeping track of everything, who knows it may be a good thing in the long run, inviting people to explore more of the site and make the most of it.
Unlimited pics – indeed personal pages, but not everyone can do html, an easy to use personal gallery to manage your pics will be a nice touch.
Video chat room – some people like it, some don’t. We will be providing non cam rooms, as well as private rooms, so thres plenty of scope there to suite everyone.
User profile – a unified page which will become the focal point for most of the new features, fully customisable profiles, public and private galleries etc etc, perhaps it doesn’t seem overly beneficial at the moment, but you may find it quite nice when its up and running.
Distance display etc – just a minor part of the profile this, users will have the option to hide it, it will be based on a postcode, so spelling not important.
Speed – glad you agree with this one, a new high spec server and optimised code will ensure this.
Finally – thanks for you input, and yes we will be asking for suggestions, comments and any input anyone has on the stuff we have planned, it makes good sense to use the wealth of experience from this community.
Osmosis – As above, private galleries with invite only will be a main feature. The chatroom will be flash based (much nicer than java). With the distance comes location search, as the crow flys distance searching etc, as well as a whole load of new search criteria.
meat2pleaseu – There are no legal implications from avatars, sigs, banners etc etc, nor what is said, things will carry on as normal.
well_busty_babe – thanks for the kind words, from a web developers point of view (experienced in swinging and dating sites) I can say there are many things that I think can be added to this site, which will be a benefit to existing members and newbies a like. I think the best thing I can say is wait and see what you think, ill try my hardest not to disappoint.
Tallnhairy – thanks for the kind words, verification will NOT be implemented judging by the reaction on here.
Nallers – the mods role as such will not change, I can understand what you are saying about the dedication to a non profit organisation vs a commercial entity, this is something we will need to think and talk about, and see what happens.
Sarah – beer lasted thank god, my energy didn’t however biggrin
Joanne-ish – we won’t be doing anything to the site that people won’t like, we will make sure of that fact by keeping people involved all the way.
Kaz – im feeling really good odley enough, considering the amount of alachol I consumed and the 14 hours sitting in virtually the same position :D
Bluexxx – ill drop you a PM in a minute, but in the meanwhile thanks for the thoughts, and I cannot apologise enough for how things went on Thursday and Friday. As you say we completely underestimated the community here, and made a right pigs ear of the changeover, its sad that we did not get off to a better start, but I hope we can build on this, I really do.
Heavysyandck – keep an eye out on Monday for a full rundown of the improvments in detail.
Happy Cats – spot on, although don’t forget that the current free features of the site will remain for new members too! So no one loses out.
Fabio – as said above verification will not be implemented due to the reaction received here!
Morbius – great read, and thanks for the luck. We understand that this site IS the community, and we will do everything we can to keep it that way.
Dargento – how did you manage to tap our phones? :D
Thanks to everyone for the input, im now off to tackle the inbox again :)
Quote by Elliot
ill try my hardest not to disappoint.

:bounce: can I be the first to test you out? Can I? Can I? :bounce: :giggle:
Quote by Angel Chat
ill try my hardest not to disappoint.

:bounce: can I be the first to test you out? Can I? Can I? :bounce: :giggle:
Take it to pm rolleyes
Quote by Dawn_Mids
ill try my hardest not to disappoint.

:bounce: can I be the first to test you out? Can I? Can I? :bounce: :giggle:
Take it to pm rolleyes
Sorry Dawn, did I beat you to it? dunno bolt
Quote by Dawn_Mids
ill try my hardest not to disappoint.

:bounce: can I be the first to test you out? Can I? Can I? :bounce: :giggle:
Take it to pm rolleyes
rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Mind you - I wonder if he'd say the same to Blue if she invited him to one of her parties? :shock:
Quote by Angel Chat
ill try my hardest not to disappoint.

:bounce: can I be the first to test you out? Can I? Can I? :bounce: :giggle:
Take it to pm rolleyes
Sorry Dawn, did I beat you to it? dunno bolt
Nooooooo bless, poor Elliot is a bit too young for me.
Besides, he'd never cope rotflmao
Quote by Elliot
Distance display etc – just a minor part of the profile this, users will have the option to hide it, it will be based on a postcode, so spelling not important.

If its reliant on us putting in our own postcodes, I'm betting debbs ends up being shown as living in either Brighton or the Caymen Islands.
It's taken me hours to read through all the posts and take in everyone's points of view, my head hurts! Some excellent points raised and the new management would do well to take these on board, if they want this site to continue to remain a success.
Many have spoken passionately because they feel that this is THEIR site, as they have contributed much and invested their time and selves over the past. Mark was one of US and being taken over by strangers is going to take a lot of building trust and confidence. IF the new owners are prepared to listen to the community that has evolved here, then this site will continue to be a success. Otherwise it will just become another swingers site. What they/we have here is something unique, something that can not be bought (especially us lot), so I hope they do realize that, or are at least beginning to!
Elliot, Martin and co may well interface with us here and come to love us, but I wonder how they are going to explain to their superiors (I gather they belong to a larger group), what they have only just discovering themselves about this site. This is more than just a slice of bandwidth and a prime piece of internet real estate they have here. It's a whole community of people that make up this site, which makes it such a success. Lose us and their investment wiill be worth a whole lot less.
I welcome the new guys just as long as they treat us with respect. However, I am concerned that while Elliot, Martin and St3v3 may be the friendly face of the company, those that they work for may not have the same sense of loyalty to SH, if you see what I mean. I get the feeling that at the end of the day/year, it will be up to company accountants that decide the utlimate direction SH will take. I dearly hope this will not be the case but I have my concerns. So I ask the new guys to make sure those who have a more abstract interest in this site, at your company, gain an understanding of what they have here! An opportunity to build on something that is already great i.e. the people and the ethos that we have developed. Value our opinions and our sensibilities and things should work out fine.
I guess Elliot and co didn't have much of a clue about this place when they 'joined'. I believe it's only just beginning to sink in for them, lol. Let's face it, I think most of us ambled into this site thinking it was 'just another free site' and then realized we had just tapped into something much more significant. So no problem in understanding their suprise in finding what we are about and what go's down here, lol. We've all been newbies, so give them time to settle in and get used to our ways. I just hope that they will come to love this place as much as us and will want to nuture, protect and preseve it as much as Mark did.
Ok, I'll stop rambling now.
Regards
LC.
Quote by davej

Distance display etc – just a minor part of the profile this, users will have the option to hide it, it will be based on a postcode, so spelling not important.

If its reliant on us putting in our own postcodes, I'm betting debbs ends up being shown as living in either Brighton or the Caymen Islands.
rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
dave it could be worse she might be your neighbour:shock:
Cx
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject:
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I need to catch up on the last 4 hours of postings but I don't like the poll
I do not think the SH changing hands will have any benefit to the
community
How can so many people agree to this when we are still unsure what the new company will be bringing to the site.
Being a regular visitor if not contributor to the forum, I personally think the new owners should be given a chance. If they are true to their words then it would appear that existing members have no cause to worry, if they are not, they stand to lose a lot of the goodwill they have just purchased.
Just yesterday, I read an article on the Implementation of Change and it stated that the rule of thumb was that 20% of people embraced change, 50% adopted a wait and see stance, whilst 30% actively resisted change. This is pretty much what the poll is suggesting here, being typically representative of the different types of character frequenting this site.
I'm looking forward to the changes being positive ones smile
Quote by Elliot
Ok 5 pages to catch up on, probably by the time I’ve wrote this it will be 8!
I have read ALL of the replies, and taken them on board
User profile – a unified page which will become the focal point for most of the new features, fully customisable profiles, public and private galleries etc etc, perhaps it doesn’t seem overly beneficial at the moment, but you may find it quite nice when its up and running.
Finally – thanks for you input, and yes we will be asking for suggestions, comments and any input anyone has on the stuff we have planned, it makes good sense to use the wealth of experience from this community.
verification will NOT be implemented judging by the reaction on here.
beer lasted thank god, my energy didn’t however biggrin
As you say we completely underestimated the community here, and made a right pigs ear of the changeover, its sad that we did not get off to a better start, but I hope we can build on this, I really do.

I'm beginning..... just beginning :twisted: to like this guy!!!!
I for one sincerely hope that the reality lives upto the expectation you are giving off smile
It would appear they are willing to listen to us, now a plea from the heart to the sceptics amoungst us....
Whether or not you think the improvements/changes/developments will be a good thing or not LETS GIVE THEM TIME TO SHOW US WHAT THEY CAN DO!
I know i am a bit late with the news but have been at work until today...........................wow
i just have one question though and apologise if it has already been asked
you said you will give free membership to existing members, is that going to be a total across the board thing or will there be certain requirements linked to this offer??? ie length of time that we have been a member, or number of posts ect?????? confused:
other than that............... :shock:
One thing you might want to play with is making yourselves administrators and changing the colours of them back to purple. Mark always used to show up in purple and as 'Administrator'.
He chose to take this out a while back so he matched in the mods, but in light of the paid staff / volunteer split this would give you a simple way to differentiate. (as requested / suggested by a few peeps above)
well it was a shock we can tell you and we have our douts but we are willing to sit back and give it a go im sure you will hear from us and the rest ov the members if we dont like some thing. we sure are a vocal lot biggrin :D :D
please just put the community first, before any money gain
all that is left to say is welcome just dont fuck it up we love this site and dont want it ruined just for money
:wary: :wary: :wary: :happy: :wary: :wary: :wary:
Quote by scooter_maxi
I know i am a bit late with the news but have been at work until today...........................wow
i just have one question though and apologise if it has already been asked
you said you will give free membership to existing members, is that going to be a total across the board thing or will there be certain requirements linked to this offer??? ie length of time that we have been a member, or number of posts ect?????? confused:
other than that............... :shock:

Nope, no requirements, simple thing - if your signed up to ads, forum or chatroom at the time we decide to do the switchover, you are automatically a premium member smile
ok for those just getting here and hearing the news heres a shortened version to stop you wading through the pages smile
1)mark sells site
2)martin and comrades say hi...
3) martin and comrades get instant hate mail...
4) martin (pissed by this time) says nasty things back....
5) 10 pages of waffle ensue...
martin...who bravely posts on his second day (sober) and now knowing more about the site starts to become a human entity to us all (but poor elliot is stil hiding under the computer desk in his office. martin tries to coax him out with a mars bar)
6) <<realises that ok theyre human (damn n blast)
7)hostilities over and martin and us start to communicate after a great apology from martin to our beloved bluexxx for the balls up over changing over...
so now hopefully we all live happily ever after :)
nuff said...
ps some 1 start a poll......can martin resist the swinging scene or not ..
Elliott, Martin & Co
Could I make a suggestion (i did it earlier but it may have been lost in the crowd)...
Perhaps a New Ownership FAQ thread.
Lock it immediately and only the Admins can post on it.
Have a single post with a summary of all the questions and your replies.
You can update it when a new question is raised.
That way people will not have to wade thru this entire thread to see if a Q has been asked (and answered) already.
Just a thought that may help a little!
Hugs,
Alex x
Questions for Elliot or Martin...............
I posted this on page 13 of this thread but obviously with the amount of posts on here it's been overlooked, so I will take the opportunity to expand on my original questions, and could you answer when you get a mo...........
1). Do you intend to make Swinging Heaven an International site like Dating online? (I see they carry ads from people all over the place). This could have a dramatic affect on the communities that exist on the Forums and in the chatrooms
2). Munches are site sanctioned to the extent that they are organised by volunteers from the membership but run to a strict formula that is supported by SH...........will your organisation be prepared to allow this to continue?
Hope you can answer
M
Quote by vodka_babe22uk
i noticed that you said the chatroom will be flash based
could i point out that some members suffer with ill health and having something that flashes at that could effect them and make them ill which is why vivid colour fonts are banned i for one wouldent like to see my freinds back in hospital because of that been there before and it wasnt nice having the worry
many thanks

It isn't a chatroom that flashes Voddy, it's flash based, flash being like mIRC/Java. It is a bit like the 2 combined from what I can gather
Shireen
xxx
Edited to add..... Just been in a flash based chatroom and it is just like Java..... It's gonna take some erm........ getting used to....
Flash is a dev tool for websites and it is one of the tools in the dreamweaver suite. See
any of you mods fancy a job???????

lol :lol: wink