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sad I read the post by Silk & BigG with sadness. Through all they wrote that's what jumped out at me :(
The basic premise is as I pointed out before - a company like Symbosis does not buy a website for money and not expect that money back in return and to make a profit. That is business. Simple plain fact. Symbosis already run at least one pay for site ( with free membership that offers nothing at all really). The forum on this site is crap - no interactions that are lively, stimulating, funny etc etc as is here. Oh and by the way it is def not a dating site - it is a swinging site. And to be quite honest I find that site a bit seedy - Mr KC subscribes but it's a bit too clinical for me.
Members here give freely of their thoughts, lives, pics, contacts etc etc . . .is that really going to stay the same. . . of course it isn't . . .over time people will move away. The site will evolve into something else . . . that is inevitable.
Like others I'll stick around and see how things go . . . .
Well, if the Avatars start geeting boring, I'm off :cry:
I'm sitting on the fence for the mo, hope I don't fall off.
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It is inevitable that the posts, pictures, stories, parties etc. that are done by the current membership will be used as an advertising tool to make money.
Roger the Dragon cool

Given that admin_Elliott is offering 20 quid per 1000 words for articles and stories on swinging in the forum of another site you've probably hit the nail on the head there.
I have sent the link to the other swingers site run by symbios via PM. I should point out that I have previously seen other start pages to this group. The link I am sending via pm is the main front page. But they have other front pages hidden away, which they tag to keywords on google. They basically use different front pages depending on who they want to attract.
If you are a guy searching for naughty pics on google, that is not the best front page to link to, so they use something a bit more seedier.
I will see if I can find some of these.
T & L
Thank you.
phredd
Has anyone ever thought about waiting till Monday when we get the full list of changes. Seeing what comes of those changes. Watching some of those changes take place and then moaning? We can't moan about something they have yet to confirm will take place rolleyes
I am not going to presume anything. No where that I can find have any of the new guys said that SH will become the same as the sites they own already.
What would be the point of that? They wouldn't make any more money on having two or more sites offering the same thing. Having sites that provide different things surely will be more profit making dunno
In answer to Steph and Dawn I think this forum has always been here to talk about things, people are still going to do that in the absence of actual information - this may actually be a good thing as it will show our new owners some of the things people feel strongly about and may result in them shelving some plans they had without them implementing them and then there being a big uproar.
If we all waited for the full facts before discussing things conversation would be pretty boring.
Roger the Dragon. cool
hi i know we don't get round as much as most of you do and were not that well known on here but we have read all the the pros and cons on whats going to happen and we have decided to stay we wouldn't want to lose any one of our friends we have made. and hope you all decide to stay to as this is the best swinging site on the web and its all of us that has made it the way it is if you stay we can carry on making it the best site but if you decide to leave then that's up to you there will be others to take your place maybe we should go with the flow. yes things will change but from what i have read so far it seems the changes will be for the best as for the chat rooms i have started using ours but it is far to fast for me so i for one think other rooms will be a good thing
like steph says ...
Concerns over the Vid chat - If you don't want to use it - don't BOTHER in the same way a lot on here cannot be bothered by the current Chat room. Having different rooms for people in my opinion can be a good thing as it will make the main room slower if people are in the other rooms and people will be able to keep up better. Although I would still prefer it if the flash rooms support MIrc Access - Java is the pits. All the rooms will require moderation tho
ok thats my rant over have a great sunday biggrin
Im well and truely fence sitting,what will be will be............... innocent
I agree with you Dawn, and I said something along the same vein on the previous page of this thread, only I didn't put it as so concisely as you did............. BUT
I remember a thread running on here within the last two months (I'll go and look for it), that was basically taking the piss out of a certain swinging site that had registered similar sounding names to SH (Swining Heaven for example), so that if people inadvertently made a typo when searching for SH they would be taken to their site............. Yes this is the same mob !
I still stand by what I said I want this community to survive, because I like those of you that H and I have met, and I know by what a lot of people post we would really get on well with a lot of the others if we get to meet one day. But I think it is good that anything people are finding out now about the new owners does get posted, because at least then we know who we are dealing with. There is no need to jump ship yet and hopefully there will never be any need, but at the same time lets look at what these guys are already into
M
A very good morning to you, once again I will try as best as I can to answer a few questions.
1. Your pictures (ownership) firstly as already mentioned you own these we will never remove, sell, or do anything with your pics. The new improvements will allow you a few more options
Firstly you will be able to have more if you want to upto about 15 each
Secondly you can have a private invite gallery that you can manage, this is useful to send peeps that you are interested in passwords for that expire at set times.
Thirdly they are your pictures as you delete them from your control panel they are real time deleted from the server.
2. Picture gallery two parts
Firstly YOU specify if you want a picture included in the gallery, you can either remove it or have it in our own gallery. Basically you will have complete control over who sees what (unlike now). There is a non members gallery that only has page 3 type pics in, this is one of the legal morality issues at the mo with the site.
Secondly there is a members gallery, basically all the same pics as above with all others included. The gallery only has thumbnails on then when you click on it it would take you to the member profile.
The gallery on the other site is really useful to members to search on, basically if they like the look of someone they then click through to see the profile, rather than hunt through adds then look at the pictures and think no, not my type etc. This can be used with the new location search.
Please remember here you have control if you want your pics included in this way! Basically its your call how you want your pictures displayed, private, public, or both, if both non members cant see anything risky. A major concern right now that some peeps are concerned that anyone on the net can look at all of your pics when they go on the site here.
These improvements are not to force anything on you, they are about letting you have choice to use more features. We are confident that these new features will help not hinder.
To answer the other question about peeps joining to see naughty pics rather than being swingers it goes like this.
Anyone new visiting this site is not able to see anything more than page 3 type stuff on thumbnail our experience with this is good ,as people will not join thinking it is a free porn site. This and our other sites are never promoted in a way that promise sex or play on adult pics etc etc.
The last point to cover was made that we promote pictures to single men to join etc, this is not the case because of what is above. If you can validate your statement we would investigate it.
You will also have the facility to have video on your profiles or record and send video messages to other peeps on the site (if you want to).
No one will force you to do anything that you dont want to with your content, we will just provide improvements based on more options.
Martin
Well so far Martin, that all gets a :thumbup: from me biggrin
Something else i forgot about pictures
Watermarking, at the moment when you upload your pictures it puts the site name on it. We will improve the way it works based on the following.
1. The location of the watermark is on one edge, this means that you could have your pics cropped and used elsewhere without your consent.
We will use a clear but visable watermark that goes accross the middle to ensure ths can not happen, basically it will make your pics non useable if someone was to take them from the site.
2. We will have the user profile that submitted the picture onto the site, this is very useful because we noticed on the other sites that a few people were pretending to be someone else for whatever reasons. If anyone tries to do this by submitting one of your pics on this or any site then you will know where the picture came from and who it belongs to. It is also then an easy hit for the mods to pick up and take action on.
Both the above will help to ensure that you do not get your images exploited elsewhere.
Thanks
Martin :P
Well hand me some lube cos I'm firmly on the fence biggrin
However, from what Martin and Elliott are saying, it looks like it's only going to get better
I hope we're not going to have another day of people asking questions that have already been asked and answered banghead
If you don't want to wade through the entire thread then just scroll the pages and look for the posts from the new Admins. It's not difficult and doesn't take long.
The idea of a locked thread that only Admin and Mods can post on seems a sound one to me. That could contain the questions and answers that have been given and would save a lot of unneccessary clutter here.
:huh:
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The idea of a locked thread that only Admin and Mods can post on seems a sound one to me. That could contain the questions and answers that have been given and would save a lot of unneccessary clutter here.
:huh:

Quite right - there should be more Faqqing on SH! wink
I believe that people must be VERY naive if they don't think this is the end of SH.
It's finished forget it. It doesn't need to be the end though.
I've seen what a strong community has grown on this site and although i'm not particularly active in it, I think it's sad that it coming to an end. I think it's sad for the people who have built such strong friendships. So I say this:
GO MAKE YOUR OWN!!
The closest community on this website is in the forums IMHO. This forum is a plug-n-play phpBB forum. Go have a search for phpBB on the web. You can set one up in literally minutes as I did the other day. You require a website with PHP and mySQL which you cna buy for a pitance. You could be up and running in a few days with a minimal amount of administration.
PS. Don't forget to send me the link when you do.
Sonds good, I think its a Monday in the office job though..... lol
Ooohhhh Choon you beast wink
can I watch? :shock:
Well my main concern was our pic page,im happy with what ive heard so far so thats a relief :thumbup:
Oh and any chance of some better emoticons??? :giggle:
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Sonds good, I think its a Monday in the office job though..... lol

On Martin_M's behalf I think we'll disassociate this post from the one immediately above. One of the occupational hazards on this place MM! wink :lol:
Quote by Sexysteph
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH for FUCKS Sake people get a fecking Grip
The Take over has happened - Live with it or leave easy as that! We have a chance to make Swingingheaven stay the Community it is but with all these concerns we have been going round in flaming circles.
Points both good and Bad have been raised by all sides.
Concerns over the Vid chat - If you dont want to use it - don't BOTHER in the same way a lot on here cannot be bothered by the current Chat room. Having different rooms for people in my opinion can be a good thing as it will make the main room slower if people are in the other rooms and people will be able to keep up better. Although I would still prefer it if the flash rooms support MIrc Access - Java is the pits. All the rooms will require moderation tho wink
Yes they do operate another site which I found deceptive and quite frankly useless - I would much prefer we forget that site and concentrate on the site we all love OK.
We have the chance to influence what happens here - the guys ARE listening. We made the comment that Verification is open to abuse but we backed it up with the empiracal evidence of the verification thread - result there is to be no verification on profiles.
They are listening so rather than whine about something that has not happened lets have constructive critique so that they can give us what we want which is then only GOOD for the site :wink:
My one question at the moment was raised months ago to Mark. Some people asked if the Profile section could be expanded so they did not have to have an ad. If this can happen where we can put as much or as little as we want with more than just our avatar pics in - surely its a good thing - Not everyone is here to swing (including the bosses) but I would like to take it one step further as a single fem. I wanted to place an ad which was more an extended profile so people in chat and on the boards could theoretically learn more about me and what makes me tick BUT I did not want it to be an ad which got responses. Is there anyway we can optionise the email funtion ie toggle it on or off so we can keep the ad/profile active and suit our purpose?
OK sunday Morning rant over back to normal
Steph

worship :worship: :worship:
oh let us nurture this tiny voice of reason that calls from the wilderness.
I am sure we all still have many fears and reservations, but like the above, it would be great if we could all just pull together and help to ensure that the RIGHT changes are made, and that with constructive comment we can try to keep the wrong changes to a minimum.
As has been so eloquently said, Martin and the guys seem to be listening, and why shouldn’t they? It makes commercial sense to take advise from a community that collectively has many many years of experience of the scene / lifestyle under its belt.
Any good entrepreneur, when starting a new venture, will seek advice from the experts because it just makes sense, what doesn’t make sense is to get expert opinion, and then ignore it. I am sure that Martin & co are astute enough to realise this.
Lets give em a chance guys yeah? And if it all goes wrong, we still have the option to start afresh else where, and I will be the first to volunteer my services for free with setting up a new site.
Quote by westerross
Sonds good, I think its a Monday in the office job though..... lol

On Martin_M's behalf I think we'll disassociate this post from the one immediately above. One of the occupational hazards on this place MM! wink :lol:
Agreed TE to all those that think I am naive, I prefer to think I am cautiously optimistic, and I think that goes for a lot of others as well.
Quote by Sexysteph
Sonds good, I think its a Monday in the office job though..... lol

On Martin_M's behalf I think we'll disassociate this post from the one immediately above. One of the occupational hazards on this place MM! wink :lol:
dunno it could be an entertaining morning in the office if there was more faqqing in sh
Steph :lol:
I don't think TE meant that post Steph rolleyes
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A very good morning to you, once again I will try as best as I can to answer a few questions.
. . . . . YOU specify if you want a picture included in the gallery, you can either remove it or have it in our own gallery. Basically you will have complete control over who sees what (unlike now). There is a non members gallery that only has page 3 type pics in, this is one of the legal morality issues at the mo with the site.
. . . . there is a members gallery, basically all the same pics as above with all others included. The gallery only has thumbnails on then when you click on it it would take you to the member profile.
Please remember here you have control if you want your pics included . . . . . .
To answer the other question about peeps joining to see naughty pics . . . . .
Martin

And a good morning to you too on this bright, yet fresh winter's sunny day.
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Well so far Martin, that all gets a :thumbup: from me biggrin

And me too :thumbup:
I'm not at all that techy so if this is a "non" question from your point of view, accept that it will be a real question to others.
I have a techy question about the pics and stuff in the "galleries" :confused:
Quite a few people here have in the past "nicked" pictures from and of each other and other sites/places for "comedy purposes" - You know; the "right click" and "save as . . . " or the "properties" and copy and paste thing (With me so far ?????)
I've seen pics on other sites that I'd like to have nicked and used here to take the piss (in my way) or have a laugh with.
But sometimes I'm not able to. When I right click - nothing happens
I've always assumed that it was due to some techy wizardry that floats somewhere 4' above my head, but put in place to stop other people having them.
Will you, would you please employ that same techy wizardry in the new galleries ?
*db - off now to read a glossary somewhere so I can frame techy question a little better.
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Lets give em a chance guys yeah? And if it all goes wrong, we still have the option to start afresh else where, and I will be the first to volunteer my services for free with setting up a new site.

It's a bit late then isn't it? Then you really will have a voice calling out in the wilderness.
I wouldn't trust Symbios with my hamster!
Dear Mr Ben
Thanks for your input, we already know that some people resist change on all accounts.
The only things I can say on this note is as follows
1. Kick us when you have a reason to, when we do not deliver what we promise then feel free to kick me hard and fast from behind!. Until then it seems a little unfair unless there is something else behind it?.
2. Without improvement to things we would all still be driving around in Ford Modal T s. Live in huts in a forest somewhere and certainly would not be using the web or own a computer.
Its ok to resist change, it really is but good improvements to something that is good?
Martin
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Ooohhhh Choon you beast wink
can I watch? :shock:

Rather you joined in but if you really want to watch!! :twisted: lol
Quote by Martin_M
Dear Mr Ben
Thanks for your input, we already know that some people resist change on all accounts.
The only things I can say on this note is as follows
1. Kick us when you have a reason to, when we do not deliver what we promise then feel free to kick me hard and fast from behind!. Until then it seems a little unfair unless there is something else behind it?.
2. Without improvement to things we would all still be driving around in Ford Modal T s. Live in huts in a forest somewhere and certainly would not be using the web or own a computer.
Its ok to resist change, it really is but good improvements to something that is good?
Martin

^^^^^^^
What Martin said! :thumbup:
Quote by Martin_M
Dear Mr Ben
Thanks for your input, we already know that some people resist change on all accounts.
The only things I can say on this note is as follows
1. Kick us when you have a reason to, when we do not deliver what we promise then feel free to kick me hard and fast from behind!. Until then it seems a little unfair unless there is something else behind it?.
2. Without improvement to things we would all still be driving around in Ford Modal T s. Live in huts in a forest somewhere and certainly would not be using the web or own a computer.
Its ok to resist change, it really is but good improvements to something that is good?
Martin

They'll be nobody left to kick you when the loyal memberships splintered. I'm guessing but i'd say there's a good 99% chance you'll ruin this site. I belive the loyal members should go create their own free site beofre it's too late.
Also - I'm not resistant to change, just bad ideas. In particular the commercialisation of communities.
PS - Note, I have no personal gripe with you. Nor am I tree-huggin anti-capitalist.I believe your ruin this site, even if you intend ot or not. Keep it 100% free and make no profit and you might have a chance. This site will fail because the cost of the improvements is the paying of your wages.