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Quote by kazswallows

2) Should the site do well enough financially, then the mods and ops will benifit.

This is going to get me slated, but I have to say it anyway.
Some of the mods/ops I know slighty, some not and I am not saying ANY of them would
BUT does that mean that in the future we may get mod/op decisions based purely on financial gain unjust, unfair and not in the interest of our community
I bluddy hope not Kaz
Shireen
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Quote by fabio grooverider

Here are the changes that you will see
8. A system so you can leave other users comments on their profiles, (these are friendly and will be reviewed at submission) they can also be removed by profile owner. This is a great way to show other members how genuine people are.

I picked up on this one..... if you think this one is going to go down well, you may be in for a surprise.......
please don't open that pandora's box again.........i am sure others will point you in the direction of why this may well turn into something very contentious......
I am brave enough to say it :-
do you mean "VERIFICATION"
I should effingwell hope not.
Elliot = Please say honestly that this will NEVER happen.
Phredd
Quote by Elliot
There is no big secret, the company name will be known as soon as i am given the ok to let it out, this is for legal reasons.

Quote by Martin_M
our company is called "Symbios Group" have a look on the net for us, we wanted to tell members of our other sites about you before you all did. So sorry about the delay on the company details bit, everything happened so fast that we just could not keep up with events.

Jesus, you people can't even agree with each other on what lies to tell. rolleyes
That's two I've exposed on your first day!. Wanna try for a third?
Well, I'm sold. I assume the mods and ops will be paid and act in a shareholder sort of role in terms of any money they receive etc. Don't ask me to clarify, legal and financial stuff is a nightmare rolleyes
Martin, Elliot, St3v3 etc, don't worry about the negative things people say on here, but you do have to be wary of what you say as they'll pick enough holes to make it swiss cheese. The rest of you, ownership has changed. We have no real right to dictate what they should and shouldn't do. As we tell all complainers, "if you don't like it... sod off" (although I'm not quoting the exact words). Mark has sold the site, if you scare or force the new owners away then the only people to lose out is yourselves.
Os.
(teacup at the ready)
Quote by Martin_M
Stuff you will not see
1. The slow picture loading
2. The site loading problems
3. A new MOD and OPS area filled with anything that will make their lives easier
4. New hosting arrangements to ensure that the site is backed up regularly
5. Us dealing with all the mods and oops

i hope these were ment to be under a different title because im sure we would prefer to see the bits i have in italics rather than not see them
matt
Thanks for all of your support
Thanks for all of the constructive PMs that have been sent to me, I will work my way through them now!!.
You cant please everyone all of the time, I dont think that all the negativity on this forum is helping things here. These changes are happening, no one will force you to stay here, perhaps we should start on the positives now as this is just not going anywhere at all.
Its happened, come to terms with it and either wait and see what happens or pack your bags. One thing is for sure the site will change as I have described, I have chcked and is available for those who want to pack.
Its time that we allowed the constructive and supportive in this community to be publicly heard.
Quote by Martin_M
The Mods and OOPS have done a great job with this site so far!!!, We want them involved in its future, we want there voice and their views. There will be a munch at our office for them in the next few weeks to work out the details.
Martin

Shows how little you know about the site, Martin, because a "munch" is open to all members and you can't exclude anyone.....only "newbies" make the mistake of calling a social a munch. And seeing as you know so little about us, I do presume you'll all only be wearing a towel until the real fun and frolics kick off??
Have you asked Ice Pie to make the badges for the munch? As I'd love to see those.... perhaps I can swap mine with yours.... the after munch should be fun, that's when it gets really hardcore...
:doh: I forgot the sandwich
oh yeah.. I'd like to think you'll improve the site.
But i don't think you can. biggrin
prove me wrong...
Quote by Martin_M
You cant please everyone all of the time, I dont think that all the negativity on this forum is helping things here. These changes are happening, no one will force you to stay here, perhaps we should start on the positives now as this is just not going anywhere at all.
Its happened, come to terms with it and either wait and see what happens or pack your bags. One thing is for sure the site will change as I have described, I have chcked and is available for those who want to pack.
Its time that we allowed the constructive and supportive in this community to be publicly heard.

Gee thanks for all your support too Martin rolleyes
Thanks Osmosis, lets get on with this rather than just being negative, there is no going back now change is on the cards one way or another.
We dont want this community to poisoned by a few bad apples so please wait to see what we do before assuming the worst. If you have constructive points them bring them up for the new build!.
Edited after rethink and PM's
Quote by postie
:doh: I forgot the sandwich

smackbottom :smackbottom: :smackbottom: :smackbottom:
Quote by Martin_M
Thanks Osmosis, lets get on with this rather than just being negative, there is no going back now change is on the cards one way or another.
We dont want this community to poisoned by a few bad apples so if you want to be a bad apple please pack up before you are asked to leave. If you have constructive points them bring them up for the new build!.

WE built this community so give us some time to get used to YOU.... because as far as I can see it is a free site being taken over by grubby profiteers who have no interest in our lives except to make a profit. Any other newbie who showed such disrespect would be given very short shrift.... and rightly so.
It is day one. Bite it and see what happens. I know I am.
Quote by Jags

:doh: I forgot the sandwich

smackbottom :smackbottom: :smackbottom: :smackbottom:
:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
sorry Jags, I did my best....
Quote by Martin_M
Thanks Osmosis, lets get on with this rather than just being negative, there is no going back now change is on the cards one way or another.
We dont want this community to poisoned by a few bad apples so if you want to be a bad apple please pack up before you are asked to leave. If you have constructive points them bring them up for the new build!.

Way to win the support of the community Martin rolleyes
Please try to remember that this has all come as a huge shock to us all. Until yesterday the mods had no idea of what was happening. Until approx 10am, neither did any of the Ops, and even then they hadn't been told formally. We then got an announcement just before 11am, and the rest of the membership found out at ...... or whenever they logged in after that.
We've always been told - and always believed - that this site was and would stay as a free site. Yes, I know you're saying that we won't have to pay for our membership, at least for the first year, but the whole concept of the site has suddenly taken a massive shift and it's going to take time for people to get used to that. Calling shocked people "bad apples" and hinting at blanket bans isn't going to win you the support of too many people, and while you may not think we're that important in the grand scheme of things, we are a community.
Just think of yourself as a developer who suddenly arrives in a village and tells the inhabitants that he's about to change everything. You may think that your improvements are for the good of the village, but the villagers have lived there for a long time and they like things as they are. Most will kick up a fuss in the fist instance, but given time and good explanations, chances are they'll come round to the idea. If not, they'll probably move out of their own accord. Threatening evictions to those who complain is not really the way to get the rest of the village onside is it?
Postie
We will not take the kind of crap that some of you are throwing around at the moment, you are not being fair on other members of this community. You are deliberately trying to be nasty towards us looking at your footer.
Quote by st3v3

Noted, Elliot is telling the truth when he said 'I' and so am I when I say we, we are a company and we did look at SH a long time, we were impressed which is why we are here.

ok every 1 stop being so bloody impressive smile
Quote by Martin_M
Postie
We will not take the kind of crap that some of you are throwing around at the moment, you are not being fair on other members of this community. You are deliberately trying to be nasty towards us looking at your footer.

Come on Martin
What you are seeing, as in Posties footer etc, is the way this community exists, sacarsm, mickey taking etc. Its not meant in a nasty way, just part of the banter / humour of the site.
I appreciate you have to look after your investment in a way you see fit, but your not going to win friends and influence people, by not understanding that part of how the site works. Postie is a popular member here biggrin
Martin........ Come on in and a welcome to you, but do us all a favour, leave your jack boots at the door and talk to us, not AT us. I am sure that many will welcome the facilities that you say are going to be on offer, but christ man, do you think it would be humanly possible to run any more roughshod across our community ?
If it is your intention to drive every man and woman from this site and start totally afresh, from scratch with 0 customers, then you are undoubtedly doing a fine job. On the other hand, if as I believe, you do want people to remain, not just for a free year but for many others after that, then you really do need to ease of the gas a little and talk to people, not threaten them.
Its an emotional time :cry: .
i just asked questions im not saying any more untill the changes take place i hope other people feel the same . :cry: :cry:
Quote by Angel Chat
Calling shocked people "bad apples" and hinting at blanket bans isn't going to win you the support of too many people, and while you may not think we're that important in the grand scheme of things, we are a community.
Just think of yourself as a developer who suddenly arrives in a village and tells the inhabitants that he's about to change everything. You may think that your improvements are for the good of the village, but the villagers have lived there for a long time and they like things as they are. Most will kick up a fuss in the fist instance, but given time and good explanations, chances are they'll come round to the idea. If not, they'll probably move out of their own accord. Threatening evictions to those who complain is not really the way to get the rest of the village onside is it?

Angel hunny, I love you :love:
What she said, 100% worship
Quote by Martin_M
Postie
We will not take the kind of crap that some of you are throwing around at the moment, you are not being fair on other members of this community. You are deliberately trying to be nasty towards us looking at your footer.

I hate ringtones. I don't even have a mobile phone...
If I am a bad apple then so be it. Nice to be told by the new boss on day one. But believe it or not, even though i hate that the ethos of this site has been ripped out for profit, I hope this community carries on.
You Lording it though isn't going to make you popular.
And a point of clarification. What isn't allowed insignatures now?
Just think, if you were a Man U fan and your 2 main interests were football and here.................
wink
Though I HATE to say it - Martin, you have a PM please pick it up.
*bugger - swore I'd NEVER say that*
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote by Happy Cats
Just think, if you were a Man U fan and your 2 main interests were football and here.................
wink

rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
That would be a bad day then :rotflmao:
I don't care we are off to Erotica tomorrow
:bounce:
OK come on guys STOP THROWING THE TOYS OUT OF THE PRAM ........... LETS GET CONSTRUCTIVE........................ PLEASE !!!
The site has changed ownership............ good for Mark he's done a fantastic job here and I personally wish him and his family well............. I just wish we had discovered this place two years ago and not 3 months ago. I have been around the net for too many years like a lot of you, but to find a community such as this is extremely rare. Maybe thats why I have posted more times on SH in 3 months than all the other forums I am a member of (some for many years) put together. We have had disagreements in here and we also have had our laughs. We also meet for real and have a lot of fun as well. All these things have been enabled because of this site but they have happened because of us. We must never forget that. Why don't we just calm down and wait to see what happens.
The new owners are free to do what they want and they will.......... You have seen Elliot try to be the nice guy, and Mr Montague also tried the nice guy approach, but then has also just used the Mr Nasty, (and yes he can probably be a lot worse.........can't you Martin smile)
I have just had a look at the things the new owners are into, as well as reading what Martin in particular has posted........... it sounds like a cross between many other paysites out there but with strong overtones of AFF (Adult FiendFinder to the unitiated - and yes deliberate spelling mistake)
One question Martin/Elliot.......... do you intend to make Swinging Heaven an International site like Dating online? Also Munches are site sanctioned to the extent that they are organised by volunteers from the membership but run to a strict formula that is supported by SH...........will your organisation be prepared to allow this to continue?
So come on lets give it a chance........ SH is probably the best UK Swinging Site there is. In a years time it could be even better or it may have sunk without a trace who knows dunno
Either way it is important that we keep the community alive be it here or somewheres else...... think about it
M
Quote by Martin_M
HI All
7. We will make this the best site of this nature in the world, by doing it properly we will work together to ensure that it conforms to all legal issues and has every feature that you ever wanted.
8. As a company we have spent a lot of time and effort to work with you all.
9. This site was previously owned by a company (just a little bit smaller) so this site has always been commercially owned!!
10. I completely understand how you feel, I can tell you the beating I just got in the chat room was severe to start with!!.
Thanks
Martin
biggrin :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

7) erm...you got that bloody speech off rambo when he walks back into the jungle ....
8) eh? where?
9)but owned by an individual who had commercial interests.
10 youve been here for a few hours...you know how we all feel?...
nah...you have the door keys now m8....im positive this community will stand united.....i for 1 will wait and see what happens...but the prognosis is bleak...
mark opened this site and nurtured it smile ...i believe he cared about it... i also know he will read this....you paid for it...have no feleings toards it...it is....and always shall be ...£ signs form yesterday onwards.....
dont take this wrong....as i said earlier ...its only business and your entitled to buy WTF you like....ubt please...give us some credit....we arent daft....commercialism+charity....pull the other 1....
ps....the last statement regarding us not being daft does not ...in any way or form....incorporate happy cats.....
Hi to the new owners.
Like everything in life it changes.
We have to accept the change and get used to it.
Since joining Swinging Heaven several years ago now I can honestly say there have been loads of changes, albeit not as dramatic as new owners.
We can surley try to see positives out of this and I feel grow stronger as a community as we look out for each other.
I for 1 am excited although I do accept that there are questions, but these have been answered as much as possible as far as I can see.
Its early days peeps, can't we just give it chance and see what happens.
Lifes far too short to only focus on negatives.
Swingers are fun loving their nature, therefore lets carry on and show the new owners how good this site is.
As they say, if we don't like the "new site" then we know where the door is.
Sorry if my comments have pissed off people but these are my views.
Hugs as always
Funin
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Quote by Martin_M
Thanks for all of your support
Thanks for all of the constructive PMs that have been sent to me, I will work my way through them now!!.
You cant please everyone all of the time, I dont think that all the negativity on this forum is helping things here. These changes are happening, no one will force you to stay here, perhaps we should start on the positives now as this is just not going anywhere at all.
Its happened, come to terms with it and either wait and see what happens or pack your bags. One thing is for sure the site will change as I have described, I have chcked and is available for those who want to pack.
Its time that we allowed the constructive and supportive in this community to be publicly heard.

So because some members are a little sceptical about your "brave new world" you brand them bad apples and tell us to pack our bags ?
Quote by Elliot
dargento - im slightly confused by your post, if by adam you mean me, then i think i understand, must say i think your jumping to conclusions, SH will be here for a long time yet, and will go from strength to strength.
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didnt the german navy say that about bismark ???? :shock:
I think that as with similar provocative threads and subjects, everyone needs to take a step back before it all gets out of hand etc.
The site is now under a new owner. They have every right to make whatever changes they deem necessary. Like all good management, listening to the concerns and welfare of their staff will ensure a healthy environment, and in this case, the continuation of the community as it is now. We have no choice in what they do, but can only hope they make it for the best. If some people don't agree or don't like it, then the only option is to "pack your bags".
Making statements such as bad apples and insinuating bans is counter-productive. As Angel_chat said, you're coming into an already established community, with it's clique, cliches and ruts. Taking a firm stance against members, regardless of how long they've been here won't help smooth things over with the locals. Sure, most of them will complain until they're out of breath or their keyboard breaks, but what do you expect from us Brits rolleyes . Weather the storm, leave the "bad apples" alone and unless the 'abuse' gets personal and prolonged, most will do like the rest and resign themselves to the change and see what benefits it can bring.
Oh, and ignore Postie, he's always a miserable git :P :P
What I am trying to say, is we are really trying here, really trying to help and really trying to keep this thing together for everyone :cry:
I cant tell you how upsetting it is when people have been going out of their way to be hurtful towards me personally and our company.
You might think it was funny to have what you had as your footer aimed at us trying to undo all the good of the day. I will not even tell you how upsetting to us all that was to see.
What else can I say, I cant help but get upset or annoyed when you have been so disrespectful. What would you have said in the same position?
I understand how a large number of the members here are feeling, and thanks for removing it.
Sorry if I got emotional