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Quote by Sassy-Seren

She knows that there will always be people who will be made uncomfortable by her sexuality and may bully her because of it, but she has my total support and that of close friends, and nothing else really matters to her.

kiss
Thankfully, that's how my son feels too. My son is my son and I love him whether he's straight, bi, gay, asexual or whatever-sexual he wants to be ( so long as it's nothing illegal wink ) and I will support, comfort, counsel and be there for him anytime he needs me biggrin
from the film 'The Krays'
"who loves you? mummy loves you"
Quote by essex34m
from the film 'The Krays'
"who loves you? mummy loves you"

No, that's just scary :giggle:
Quote by Sassy-Seren

from the film 'The Krays'
"who loves you? mummy loves you"

No, that's just scary :giggle:
And neither of us look like Billie Whitelaw....................THANK GOD! biggrin :shock: :D
Quote by Lissa

from the film 'The Krays'
"who loves you? mummy loves you"

No, that's just scary :giggle:
And neither of us look like Billie Whitelaw....................THANK GOD! biggrin :shock: :D
and for that, you have no idea how happy that makes me, my dreams of you both would not have been as good as they was
I was bullied at school. I was labelled stupid (at age 10 I didn't know my alphabet; whilst my son knew his at 4). To make things worse I was also one of only two white guys in an Asian school. So I got racial abuse too.
Lucky for me the education system (eventually) worked out I was dyslexic and was actually quite smart. I ended up going to a special school - and even ended up getting a good grade at university.
I always had a way of dealing with bullies, in fact it strikes a real note to hear this but not all would agree with my method of dealing with them..
You see as a school boy a few years ago bullying wasnt on the agenda as it is today but was no less a threat to people and there real feelings.. I as a bigger sort of lad used to hate them with a passion, not once ever can I say I sided with the bullies but always stuck up for the underdog, this in turn made me quite unpopular with the so called 'In Crowd' Not that I was ever bothered as I was always a happy chap lol....
The thing is this, once things went just a tad too far and I found myself being victimised by a goup and they managed to manipulate things so I ended up looking in the wrong and sent to work outside for a week.... (Long story lol) Then as they were feeling very smug about things and managing to get a hold of some of the smaller kids into the bargain I literally panned one of the sods with a dirty great big spade right in the face.. not for a whole year did I hear another thing from any of them nor did any bullying go on from them... It seems the old saying Bullies are just cowards is so true!
When my Daughter had trouble I never ever went to teachers, just found the parents house and had a quiet word.. Always worked fine. If that made me a bully so be it but it soon stopped any further bother.
Mike
Quote by mdr2000

When my Daughter had trouble I never ever went to teachers, just found the parents house and had a quiet word.. Always worked fine. If that made me a bully so be it but it soon stopped any further bother.
Mike

The trouble with that method is, you could be putting yourself at risk, if the parents are as bad as the kids....
.....The worst bully we had at our school, was fully supported by her mother :shock:
One instance, that is so unbelieveble I will never forget about;
When we were little first years (11 yrs old) the Bully, challaged another lass in our year group, to a fight......... now it was always better to agree to the fight, or you would get jumped on anyway, but when your back was turned...
.....so, half an hour before the end of school, The Bully's mam, rang the school to have her daughter sent home early.......so she could tie her hair back, put on her trainers and her soverign rings.
The mother then accompanied The Bully to the meeting place for the fight.....when the other girl was getting the better of the fight, the mother was standing, shouting at The Bully "If ye divvn't f*ck hor, aa'll f*ck ye when yer get in".
The mother then preceeded to grab hold of the other girl, and held her on the floor, while The Bully kicked and jumped on her :shock: :shock: :shock:
(I didn't witness this personally, but many other kids did - several of my close friends, who are reliable witnesses).
The same Bully broke her "best mates" jaw, for "grassing her up" for talking in class, and put another girl in hospital for a week.....the soverign ring imprints on her forehead were visable for months.
Now that is one parent, who I certainly wouldn't want to challenge on her own doorstep :shock:
Les x
Quote by couple_ne2000
the mother was standing, shouting at The Bully "If ye divvn't f*ck hor, aa'll f*ck ye when yer get in".

im sorry, i know this is a very serious subject, but reading that, all i could think about is Biffa Bacons mum from 'Viz'
Quote by de_sade
OK so I started the thread, which has raised some fantastic posts and brave testomonies.

It is a good post de Sade and one which is very close to my heart in a professional capacity. I've yet to find the time to post my "experience" of bullying but I will.
Quote by de_sade
It has also sent a couple of PM's bouncing back and forth where my actions in the forum in the past and more recently have been described as bullying.
So, before I give my own testimony about bullying I would like to ask anyone out there in forum land who honestly believes that my behaviour to them (so that doesn't mean someone piping up "yeah, but what about when you said so-and-so to whatisface..? ") I will personally apologise to them.

Obviously you wouldn't be waiting on a PM from me but, playing devils advocate for the minute, the big problem when there is a victim who perceives that they are being bullied by someone, that someone (bully) asking them to speak up in an open forum is tantamount to further bullying is it not??
Think of the school kid who has been the victim of constant bullying and after getting the courage to speak out and tell someone close to them they feel they can trust, the whole situation is turned on its head when asked to confirm or deny bullying in the presence of said bully, they sheepishly fail to do so, thus making the whole problem worse.
Perhaps if someone has 'cause to feel or believe that their attitude or manner is of a bullying nature they should take a deeper look at themselves before looking for a "victim" to step forward and confirm it???
Just a thought
sounds right to me laird.......
but on my reading of de sades post . it was that he'd had some PM s accusing him of bullying others......... not from the victims..........
surely the victims ( if they exist ) would have to corroborate that they do feel they were bullied....... for the accusations to be true.
it appears that de-sade is denying any wrong doing or intention and is obviously confused as to why these things have been said about him.....
i think this is heading forsomething messy myself.........
i think the idea of widening the topic from a computer game to discussing the forum was a bit of a balls up.... but atleast de sade is going to find out what people think
Quote by DeeCee
sounds right to me laird.......
but on my reading of de sades post . it was that he'd had some PM s accusing him of bullying others......... not from the victims..........

Perhaps you should re read my post and the example I give of the school kid?
surely the victims ( if they exist ) would have to corroborate that they do feel they were bullied....... for the accusations to be true.

See above rolleyes
it appears that de-sade is denying any wrong doing or intention and is obviously confused as to why these things have been said about him.....
i think this is heading forsomething messy myself.........
i think the idea of widening the topic from a computer game to discussing the forum was a bit of a balls up.... but atleast de sade is going to find out what people think

I'm equally sure that de sade is more than capable of fighting his own corner on that count.
I was personally refering to bullies in general
Quote by de_sade
So, before I give my own testimony about bullying I would like to ask anyone out there in forum land who honestly believes that my behaviour to them (so that doesn't mean someone piping up "yeah, but what about when you said so-and-so to whatisface..? ") I will personally apologise to them.

Surely if someone felt bullied by you, then they would be unlikely to send you a pm asking for an apology?
Victims of bullying seldom confront their bullies, but as a chatop we deal with such behaviour all the time.
People will approach someone they know will help them, not the bully themself because it may turn in their face and future behaviour will escalate further to cause more upset in my experiece.
TJ
Bullying, that is the REAL bullying… should not be tolerated in society.
However, some of the lame stuff people on here (not this thread but the site generally) have in the past labelled as bullying is little more than bandwagon jumping bollox (IMO). Being annoyed by something is NOT the same as being bullied, yet time and time again I have seen people rush to bring out the ‘bullying card’. I must add though, that on some occasions it is noticeable the behaviours then demonstrated by the those waving the card is often closer to the definition of bullying than whatever the other person initially did.
People should be very careful about what they label as bullying - unless they are sure they (or their buddies) are not standing in a rather fragile greenhouse.
Quote by PoloLady
Bullying, that is the REAL bullying… should not be tolerated in society.
However, some of the lame stuff people on here (not this thread but the site generally) have in the past labelled as bullying is little more than bandwagon jumping bollox (IMO). Being annoyed by something is NOT the same as being bullied, yet time and time again I have seen people rush to bring out the ‘bullying card’. I must add though, that on some occasions it is noticeable the behaviours then demonstrated by the those waving the card is often closer to the definition of bullying that whatever the other person initially did.
People should be very careful about what they label as bullying - unless they are sure they (or their buddies) are not standing in a rather fragile greenhouse.

well put...............
Well said PL :thumbup:
you fucking scare me when you make sense this early in the mornng :scared:
Quote by de_sade
:shock:
My testimony...
As a kid there were usually three things that set me up for "special consideration" in the playground or classroom by those who were less tolerant of difference. My height, my accent and my name.
Whilst I do not think it would be worth me going into the appalling catalogue of abuse that I and others suffered at the hands of these others, I do want to share one incident that illustrates how a singular incident of bullying can get dramatically out of hand and to give some hope to anyone out there who thinks such situations are a hopeless cause.
Myself and (by association) one of my friends ran the gauntlet every day because of two particular lads who delighted in picking on us whenever they saw us. We would have been around 10 years old and the perpetrators were around 15. The bullying was fairly standard - name calling, stone throwing, pinching, punching, the usual shit.
One day however we were out at a local beauty spot and by sheer fluke who should come along but these two older lads. What followed was nothing more than four hours of abuse at the hands of these two twisted individuals. We were literally abducted by them and sadly there was no-one around to hear or help us.
We were systematically beaten, at first with willow switches then with hands and feet. We were made to climb trees to fetch imaginary items; if we refused or failed we were beaten again. There appears to be no escape from what was happening and sadly it only got worse and took on an even more sinister twist.
One of the older boys B a tall, lanky dirty blonde-haired youth started to make "other" suggestions. Me and my mate were forced to kiss each other. Being forced is the only way to describe it because it was certainly done under duress and threat of further violence. We were then told to strip and were driven through a nettle patch. I do not need to tell you how humiliating and painful that was in so many ways.
It seemed to both me and my mate that things were rapidly getting out of hand, especially when we heard B. discussing whether they could afford to let us go because if we "snitched" they would be in big trouble. So we were made to get dressed again and were frog-marched towards the river being beaten all the way.
In my young mind it was obvious what was going to happen. We were being led to the river and in all probability pushed in. I could not swim and was very, very scared. The beatings and abuse I could take (in a fashion) but the thought of being drowned was too much.
Not sure to this day how we escaped. I remember us both running headlong through brambles and nettles and bushes, where they did not (or could not follow us). We had got free and found out that we had been their "prisoners" for four hours.
The two older lads avoided us after that, for which we were thankful.
For years after I could still recall the smug, cruel leering face of B. framed by his dirty yellow hair.
But that was not the end...
Many years later I had the opportunity to bump into B. whilst on duty in an Irish border town called Strabane. He couldn't believe his eyes and I couldn't believe my good fortune.
One Saturday night I "bumped" into him again slightly worse for wear and that night I reminded him of that day all those years ago and made sure that the only smiling face he would see for a long time after was mine.
What goes around, comes around.

de_sade - I'm so sorry to hear this - you're very brave to share it. I was weeping whilst reading it.
Me 2 De-sade - Writing that was not easy - ty for sharing kiss
It's hard to know what to say or do for people that have been bullied. Because of my AS I was a very easy target at school so I know what it's like.
However it has meant that I will never allow myself to be bullied again. But that can mean that sometimes that I go a little OTT with my posturing when making clear that I will not tolerate it or be a victim.
Anyway I am not sure that this is the right place to post this or even if I should, but when has that ever stopped me before? lol
Some people may have noticed that De_Sade and I haven't always seen eye to eye, but I just wanted to point out that if anyone feels he bullied me I want to say that I didn't feel bullied. After all I was as mean to him as he was to me so I can hardly claim to be a victim.
I have no idea how we got into the destructive cycle that we did, but I am very pleased to say that it has ended.
I just wanted to add that I do apologise to De_Sade for the way I behaved, not matter what was said to me I didn't have to react the way I did.
De_Sade, that must have been very painful to write and even more painful to recall those horrible memories. It shows that bullies don't realise the impact their actions have on people, something that made them feel superior enough to force you to endure has lived with you all this time.
I'm not generally in agreement with 'an eye for an eye' but in this instant, I'm so relieved you did get your own back and I hope it has eased the burden of the memories, even if only a little. Kudos to you, my friend for sharing what can only be described as the most heartfelt and painful post I've read and of course, having the courage to share it with more or less complete strangers. :therethere:
Revenge is most certainly a dish best served cold.
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It's hard to know what to say or do for people that have been bullied. Because of my AS I was a very easy target at school so I know what it's like.
However it has meant that I will never allow myself to be bullied again. But that can mean that sometimes that I go a little OTT with my posturing when making clear that I will not tolerate it or be a victim.
Anyway I am not sure that this is the right place to post this or even if I should, but when has that ever stopped me before? lol
Some people may have noticed that De_Sade and I haven't always seen eye to eye, but I just wanted to point out that if anyone feels he bullied me I want to say that I didn't feel bullied. After all I was as mean to him as he was to me so I can hardly claim to be a victim.
I have no idea how we got into the destructive cycle that we did, but I am very pleased to say that it has ended.
I just wanted to add that I do apologise to De_Sade for the way I behaved, not matter what was said to me I didn't have to react the way I did.

Thats a top post that is!
A lot of us have things that we would like to do during our lives - bungy jumping, see the pyramids etc. I would thoroughly reccomend that seeing a bully cry is added to that list :lol:
Being bullied at school IMHO never leaves you. Myself & Mr W were both bullied throughout our time at school- 10 years apart but we both have the same scars.
His bullying was mainly physical, and lasted until he was around 15 when he finally lost his rag, and floored the ringleader in front of his gang. He was never touched again.
Mine was mainly verbal, and only started to ease off in the last year when I started to hang around with one of the girls who had been at the head of a gang- her cronies all drifted away gradually and as I was on the periphery, she was left with me.
We both still suffer from low self esteem and self worth- but we try our best to ensure that our girls all stand up for themselves and have faith in themselves.
To this day, I have trouble asking for things in a supermarket because I feel unworthy- and (mostly) act in a meek, mild, confrontation avoiding manner. However, when something flicks my agression switch- all the anger comes flooding out, and it aint pretty.
De_Sade I know we have not always seen eye to eye in the past but I had to say that that was a very very brave post to make and it evoked very angry feelings in me. I am disgusted that boys of that age would even contenplate such a thing, they would have known that it was wrong but they still went ahead and did it... It makes you wonder what their parents are like confused :? kiss
Our son's school has today had a "No bullying awareness" day for the year 7's... They have been given advice and contact details sould thet ever find themselves in that position. Thankfully school's workplaces etc are becoming more aware of bullying and are trying to take steps to educate people about what is and isn't acceptable.
People are worried about a video game taht sees the main character spend the game as a bully but i dont see you complaing about any of the games that allow you to spend endless amounts of times going on killing sprees or putting meat cleavers in the backs of skulls.....surely those games are more of a worry than games about bullying.
Quote by Drewxcore
surely those games are more of a worry than games about bullying.

I suppose it would depend if you had been on the receiving end of bullying though wouldn't it rolleyes For those of us that have then we find the subject one that is serious...
I cant help but think that you haven't actually read the whole thread otherwise you wouldn't be saying what you just have confused :?
Well there were 4 pages of it!
I've been bullied before myself (alot of my life actually) but i've always been able to get over it so games of taht sort just dont bother me. I kbnow some people cant just shot off those emotions though.
Best have a read of all 4 pages then wink
I'll do that tomorrow then! That'll give me an excuse to delay the completition of the assignment i have due in at the end of the day :violin:
Quote by Drewxcore
People are worried about a video game taht sees the main character spend the game as a bully but i dont see you complaing about any of the games that allow you to spend endless amounts of times going on killing sprees or putting meat cleavers in the backs of skulls.....surely those games are more of a worry than games about bullying.

A quarter to half of school kids are bullied....one in five staff have been bullied in the last two years alone...how many people go on killing sprees in real life? Not to dimish those occasions where it does happen but bullying is a serious problem for society and this 'game' - if that's what you can call it - encourage kids to bully rather than choose to get bullied . This thread intended to discuss this game and bullying, which can cause long term mental health problems, loss of confidence, breakdown, suicide etc etc. Enough of a worry for you?
rolleyes
Quote by Drewxcore
People are worried about a video game taht sees the main character spend the game as a bully but i dont see you complaing about any of the games that allow you to spend endless amounts of times going on killing sprees or putting meat cleavers in the backs of skulls.....surely those games are more of a worry than games about bullying.

Good point - and the people on the receiving end of a meat cleaver, don't get the opportunity to stand up and say anything.
But............ when you're in the middle of a bullying session, you have no idea how far the bully will go, what you will be taking. For all you know, when a bully is being aggressive towards you, you could be facing something along the lines of a meat cleaver.......... that's what's so frightening about bullies and their mentality, you don't know how far they will go at the time, because often it's a bit further than the last time they got you. Take a look at De_Sades testimony on page 3, put yourself in that situation of not knowing what was coming next or how long the aggression will go on for or even what physical state they're gonna leave you in, and imagine the blind terror.
For me bullying started when I went to college it was girls and ranged from snide comments at every opportunity to physical harm.
Then I was bullied in the workplace, I worked hard, got promotion and was the youngest person and only female on a management team of over 50 people. It was sexual harrassment mainly - comments about my size, my apparent need for a 'real man' whilst my hubby was at university, my love of all things girlie and my apparently over-empathetic approach to the staff. The higher up I got, the worse the bullying got. I left suddenly in 1997 and never looked back, took a job on less than a quarter of the money but was worth it.
The next big thing was family - my weight, my shyness, my hair colour, my inability to care about material stuff and party with the girls. The final straw was when I went out for a meal with them and they all commented on how innappropriate it was for someone of my size to wear a low cut top as I was distracting people followed by a long discussion about my laziness and failure to earn much. I became a hermit.
This started to change when my son started school. In reception he was a little pickle, never stood still in line and always talked when he should be listening. One morning a mother dragged her son from the line next to him and told him in front of the whole class that he could not stand next to my son as he was such a naughty child and nobody wants a naughty child. He was 4 only a few days before he started school, the others in his calss were mostly almost 5.
I was shocked and didn't know what to do. I held my sons hand as he went silent but (and I have wanted to re-live this moment a million times), I said nothing. Exactly as I had for years - never stood up to anyone. My son became withdrawn and it became apparent that from that one comment something had to change, my son was like me, he learned from me to say nothing and do nothing.
I realised if I didn't change my behaviour, my son would remain bullied right through school and additionally, I would always be a victim as I never stood up to anyone.
I heard a woman commenting about how she didn't want her son on the same table as my son as he is thick. He has extra help with literacy. She said this in front of the children. Instead of walking away I spoke to her and calmly told her that I had been hurt by her comment and hoped that she could see the possible hurt she caused my son. She went bright red and mumbled something then walked away. I don't care what she thought, my son saw me deal with it and thanked me.
With the family, I don't care any longer. Instead of going out of my way to buy them fantastic presents etc in order to please them. I buy them nothing. I am not rude but no longer call each month updating them on how the kids are doing or inviting them round knowing they'll say no. I used to try so hard as I felt sad for my wonderful hubby that they hated me so much.
The final part of the puzzle has been joining here. Accepting that I am beautiful (you'll all be having to deflate my ego at some point), that I can be considered as atrractive by people other than my husband and that I can finally ditch the turtleneck jumpers.
Bullying - it happens and it's crap. Don't just deal with it by pretending it doesn't happen or blaming it on yourself. Tell people if they upset you in cyberspace when people often don't even realise they've hurt someone. Text cannot convey emotion. This is easy too say now but I wasted 10 years of my life hiding away due to my inability to deal with people. Now I have started enjoying life and had a harsh lesson in how the way we deal with people, affects the way our children cope too.
Apologies for the ramble - this is a subject very close to home for me. It's nice to see people being open about it. Anyone want a group hugglie??? and I mean hugglie... no tongues... lol xx