Information on Drugs (was: Getting rid of the dopes...)

14 Nov 2004

I respect everyones views on this subject, and I applaud the attempts to inform people. I have lost someone through drugs, I strongly feel that ignorance does not lie solely upon the "taker" but also in the sanctimony of others. I am glad you are to put up the address of a site for ALL to visit.

14 Nov 2004

I think the site already has to cover it`s arse in enough areas without having to worry too much about an illegal issue which for the most part is not related to the subject of Swinging. Drawing the line at not making references to drugs saves the moderators a great deal of time in having to moderate grey areas. They have enough to worry about!
I don`t think it`s sanctamonious, nor Big Brother, it simply makes life a lot easier! I think most can understand that, regardless of thier own recreational habits.
Venusxxx

14 Nov 2004

Quote by wildwilly
Ok there was a few joints floating about at the orgy last night, but so what, I would hope all that was reading posts in the forum would be liberal enough to allow an accurate representation of the community to co-exist without being overlly morale or too judgemental about their personal habits. You cannot get Virtual-Passive Smoking, you are not going to gain credability on the site by banning all drug references.

Yes, a few joints were floating about in an orgy last and after a couple of hints they disappeared. I think we were all happy at that point.
I come on the forum this morning and someone (who shall remain nameless) had started a thread (which I deleted) telling us about her 'shroomed out partner lying on the settee. People were starting to reply with their similar 'shroomed out experiences so I deleted the thread.
I'm not being moral or judgemental about people's habits and I'm not trying to gain credibility. It's just that if people want to discuss their psychadelic tendencies they can fuck off elsewhere and do it.
Steve

14 Nov 2004

While I can fully understand that some people do want to use recreational drugs (and I do mean fully understand), Mark as the site owner has decided to make the discussion of drugs on this site a subject. As it is Marks ball, so to speak, we all have to abide by his wishes. I guess the decision has been made and there's no way of reasoning or arguing around it, so why bother?The site is very tollerant of most subjects, so loosing one topic isn't that much of a problem is it?
I honestly don't find this a problem tbh. If you wish to discuss the use of drugs with others then the PM system is fine. If you want to advertise the fact that there are drugs at a party, then it makes me wonder why you need to do this? dunno

I guess there is also the legal aspect to think about given that the site has been the subject of police observation from time to time (or so I hear :uhoh: ) and there's no way that Mark (as the site owner) wants to be seen condoning or worse, aiding and abetting in the sale of illegal substances. I really don't blame him for that. I wouldn't fancy seeing the site forced to close by his ISP, or to see Mark fined or even imprisoned because he turned a blind eye to what was happening on his site and I'd hope that other members would agree with me?

14 Nov 2004

I have pondered over posting in this thread, but have decided to put my two-penny worth in to the pot (no pun intended). I do this to try and put things into perspective more than anything else. As seen with most sensitive, debatable things in life, you will always have two extreme views and a softer middle ground normally held by the majority.

Quote by easy
I really don't blame him for that. I wouldn't fancy seeing the site forced to close by his ISP, or to see Mark fined or even imprisoned because he turned a blind eye to what was happening on his site and I'd hope that other members would agree with me?

I agree with all easy has to say in his post, well put Sir, but on the point of not wanting to condone / aiding and abettingâ€¦ But, I find it a very large stretch of the imagination to visualise Mark being imprisoned due to the fact some others may on rare occasion mention they have used recreational drugs.

Quote by burose

Burose, I take it your not a smokerâ€¦. and fall in the extreme anti smoking category? An example of one side of extreme as mentioned aboveâ€¦.

Quote by steveg_nw
I'm not being moral or judgemental about people's habits and I'm not trying to gain credibility. It's just that if people want to discuss their psychadelic tendencies they can fuck off elsewhere and do it.
Steve

At the risk of upsetting you Steve, and disagreeing with a moderator too boot, can I respectfully suggest that it would appear you are being somewhat judgemental? Emphasised by the strength of your responseâ€¦.
However, I donâ€™t want to expand on this, you may well have valid reasons for the obvious strength of your feelings.
I hope we can just agree to disagree, as I do find 99.9% of your posts informative and fair.

Quote by VenusnMars
.... saves the moderators a great deal of time in having to moderate grey areas. They have enough to worry about!
I don`t think it`s sanctamonious, nor Big Brother, it simply makes life a lot easier! I think most can understand that, regardless of thier own recreational habits.
Venusxxx

A well balanced view, I understand this completely.

Quote by Mark
However, we still want SH free from 'drug talk' if at all possible thanks.

Mark, it is your right, I respect this attitude, and I am sure people will abide by this... I also applaude your linking to drug help sites.
And so, to my personal stance,I think we all are at a risk of over reaction... I do not drink, I do not (knowingly) harm or cause harm to anyone, I am respectful and I think genuinely a reasonably nice guyâ€¦ and I am strongly opposed to the use and supply of Crack, Herroine and other drugs of this natureâ€¦. however, on occasion I do enjoy an odd jointâ€¦. Does this make me a leper, a criminal, or alienate from others on this forum now, am I any different than what I was before?.
I donâ€™t want to get in to debate on the moral and legal issues of â€œsoftâ€ drugsâ€¦. Better people than me or anyone here have tried and are still trying to fathom the rights / wrongs etc of that oneâ€¦ I reiterate, I just wanted to have my two-penny worth.

14 Nov 2004

So just so we can get this straight in our heads , and without wishing to debate at all . The reason for this reminder is about the legal position of the site administrators and nothing to do with their personal opinions about the use of illegal substances ?
We'd just like it clarified so we know if were helping to keep the site from harm which is more than a fair request as were grateful to those that run it - or if we may just be censored because our lifestyle is slightly different and we accidentally mention something unacceptable to the admin on a personal level.
Cheers xx

14 Nov 2004

Quote by Silk and Big G
So just so we can get this straight in our heads , and without wishing to debate at all . The reason for this reminder is about the legal position of the site administrators and nothing to do with their personal opinions about the use of illegal substances ?
We'd just like it clarified so we know if were helping to keep the site from harm which is more than a fair request as were grateful to those that run it - or if we may just be censored because our lifestyle is slightly different and we accidentally mention something unacceptable to the admin on a personal level.
Cheers xx

And perhaps to head off flame wars over yet another potentially sensitive subject before they begin?
Venusxxx

14 Nov 2004

Quote by Silk and Big G
So just so we can get this straight in our heads , and without wishing to debate at all . The reason for this reminder is about the legal position of the site administrators and nothing to do with their personal opinions about the use of illegal substances ?
We'd just like it clarified so we know if were helping to keep the site from harm which is more than a fair request as were grateful to those that run it - or if we may just be censored because our lifestyle is slightly different and we accidentally mention something unacceptable to the admin on a personal level.
Cheers xx

OK......
The official line is that we cannot allow references to the illegal use of drugs on the site. OK, some people have been making light hearted references, but what that does is encourage more explicit references, which ultimately could land swinging heaven in a whole load of legal trouble :shock: . Also it encourages dealers to think it is OK to flog drugs via the site - and we CERTAINLY don't want that..... whether it be illegal drugs or drugs that are legal with prescription mad

In my view we have to enforce this rule or else the situation will become a lot worse than it is now. That is not to say that I would like ALL mention of drugs banned from the site. As I said earlier, I think references to the problems associated with drugs (among other things) are useful in the advice section and although we are not experts, I think it is responsible for the site to be able to put people in contact with those that are. Whether we like it or not drugs are a swinging related issue, as is , which I would also like to see advice for in the advice section. That is my PERSONAL view and I really want to state that very clearly before this is taken as the mods line on drugs!
Looking back at my own posts, I have make references to "special receipe" flapjacks and the like, so call me a hypocrite if you like, but as I said, what this does is encourage the posting of explicit drug references and that is BAD!!!!
So, as far as I'm concerned this is for the good of the site, not because the mods are anti-drugs.... well, this one isn't anyway redface

:wink: ..... I'm much more negative towards alcohol consumption btw, NASTY NASTY stuff confused

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14 Nov 2004

Quote by Jags
. Ok there was a few joints floating about at the orgy last night, but so what....

Yes, and two of us were working like mad to get it stopped - one by dropping heavy hints in the thread and one by sending heavy PMs to the ones concerned. :twisted:
That's just the way it is - no mention of the use of illegal drugs or the illegal use of legal drugs!
No debate.
smile

14 Nov 2004

Thanks Blue xx Jags x

14 Nov 2004

hi well said steve
i work in an industry that is full of drugs and i hate that side. it really changes people. i play in front of hundreds of clubbers 90% who are probably off their faces. then there are the dj's and promoters shoving crap up their noses i do admit to dabbling in the past and have learned the hard way though now i will not abide them, although i love what i do i see so many superficial wankers out there slowly messing their lives up and not knowing it. it angers me that certain people think it's cool (well it's not ass wipes) it makes a very refreshing change to see a positive message on this site and i am 100% wholly behind you. DRUGS ARE 4 MUGS PEEPS.
Jon

14 Nov 2004

Quote by Jags
That's just the way it is - no mention of the use of illegal drugs or the illegal use of legal drugs!
No debate.

That about sums it up....
Spot on as far as I think Jags....
:thumbup:

15 Nov 2004

Thank you!!
x x