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Inviting newbies to socials and munches... bloody hell... don't ask me!.........
I let Mistress Sassy into a social on a gut whim, a few conversations and a phone call........ and good greif, my ears and liver have been aching since!
She's gonna kill me if she sees this! bolt
Good morning all. = It's nice to be back at work lol
I would just like to say thanks to all those that have made comments on ny post. Thank You.
It has brought out a lot, both I and others did not know or understand.
Not being a great user of the other site I did not know how many munches were being organised. I was pleasantly suprised.
I now understand to a point, why munches on this site are now posted as socials, a fact I should have noted but missed.
St3v3 Thanks for your input about membership fees. I will wait and see what happens in December. wink
I have no more to add other than to say thanks again for the input.
Phredd
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Inviting newbies to socials and munches... bloody hell... don't ask me!.........
I let Mistress Sassy into a social on a gut whim, a few conversations and a phone call........ and good greif, my ears and liver have been aching since!
She's gonna kill me if she sees this! bolt

I remember Sarah doing something very similar for me :happy:
Sit down and bear with me – it’s a long ‘un redface
I’m only coming into this thread because the subject of Munches/Socials?Call ‘em what you will, has come up.
Most of the regular munchers know of my feelings about Munches surprisedops:
So . . . . . . .
In no particular order of importance, or significance . . . . . . . .
But first, a sort of confession.
I’m unsure how this will be received. Whether or not I should post it openly. Or indeed, whether it will stay public, or whose feathers it may or may not ruffle.
I was responsible for the, I think, penultimate (??) re-write of the Munch “terminology”
It came about after a broo ha ha following a Munch that should possibly have been billed as a Social some time last year, where the venue/room was “invaded” by the local vanillas. – I really am not trying to re-open that particular can of worms here.
I became quite vocal (as I sometimes do :oops: ) both in public, but far more so in PM, and was invited to commit my thoughts to paper/screen.
I was truly flattered, and did feel a little “honoured” that my thoughts and ramblings were at the time taken more or less word for word and incorporated into the rules, guidelines and terminology.
90% of my input had a bias towards the security/safety of munchers. With the other 10% , I paid lip service to the politics.
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Some good points raised;
1) People being members on more than one site
This shouldn't have any impact at all on who attends, provided that the munch criteria are met.
But it does impact on wether an event can be called a munch - hence why many that would have been termed a munch are called socials - its a loophole, that's all.

A loophole that’s becoming a real pain in the arse. The only way I can see to rectify this, would be to change the “allowed to attend” from members of this site, to something along the lines of “known members of the community/lifestyle”
I can’t see that being allowed, for site political and commercial reasons, and I struggle to argue against them :shock:
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3) Admin arranging munches and charging.
I still think that the mebership would do a better job and that the munches should remain non profit, we will provide support where we can.
I agree Steve. I am sure that organisers will be grateful of support but my personal feeling on this particular point is that Munches are events for the community run by the community/ members of it. I would not like to see a situation where munches themsleves are a commercial venture or even thought of as such.

I absolutely agree. I think one of the many attractions of a Munch, is that they are “by the community, for the community” – That’s not actually a dig at 4T btw.
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. . . . a brilliant few paragraphs about new members, catch 22, large influx, quick shag brigade, etc

with which I agree, almost entirely.
(some of the above quotes are actually credited to NiL)
The point/s I would add to that is ……………….
That’s why I believe it to be vitally important who organises, and therefore “controls” the Munches.
We have the unfortunate situation at the moment, of a Munch being somewhat “down-scaled” – As I read the list of attendees, I found it difficult to recognise many as people I know, or even know of. Granted, it could be that there are a lot of chatroom/Photo Ads people dunno But that just reinforces to me, the downside of the “unified log-in/one big site” that we now have. Again, another can of worms I’m not trying to re-open.
That ^ ^ ^ is in no way a dig at the organiser/s of the Munch, more a comment about the situation.
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. . . . . it's not lack of enthusiasm, cos there are 7 or 8 munches + socials organised in another place. ;) i'm sure part of it is that organisers are more certain where they stand elsewhere?
also, and this is a big negative in my view, organisers elsewhere probably feel it's easier when they know everybody who might want to attend already,

A little too political for my tastes, but very relevant.
I think a lot of people ran away from what they thought SH would become after and because of the change of ownership. I also think a lot of those people – and I include myself – were mistaken, and are beginning to see that they haven’t found the swinging nirvana or utopia they seek. I include ALL the beakaway sites in that statement, not just the one I refer to as “over the road”
It saddens me to accept that some, maybe all, will not return to the fold here, due to human nature and face saving issues.
In the café at the moment, there are more than enough “woe is me” type threads about the “state” of the forum, plus the added problem of technical glitches.
But I really do think that things aren’t as bad as many of us thought they would be.
Yes – there’s a bigger element of wanna shag/quick shag brigade and the things “we rolleyes “ didn’t and don’t want, but is it reallythatbad ?
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Are the days of munches as we have known them for a few years, comming to there "sell by dates" or has "Cam Action" in the chat rooms taken over ?
You know the sort of thing :- No need to go to a Munch cos we have seen them all on Cam.

Medic_1

I don’t think so. I sincerely hope not. And I’m not sure the two are related.
Some chat roomies have always attended Munches, and long may that continue :thumbup:
One thing I have to say tho – I believe that uncertainty and apprehension feeds uncertainty and apprehension.
I have much more to say on the subject of Munches, and indeed “the state of the union” – but I’ve rambled and (hopefully) had your attention long enough :oops:
One final point, if I may.
I fully realise that I leave myself open to the accusation of viewing Munches, SH, the lifestyle, and sometimes life in general through rose coloured specs. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Hence ……………………………………………….
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2) Membership fess
If everything continues as is we have no intention of charging fees in December, we will make an official announcement in the near future.

That’s still a little “woolly” wink
However, my perspective on this has changed somewhat, particularly with the influx of new members. We see every day the lack of understanding of what swinging is across the whole site - cafe, lmu and chat. Along with the influx of 'new blood', what we also got was a tidal wave of quick shag brigaders who treat SH like a sex site, not a swinging site - and to me personally there is a massive difference in the way those two camps of people think and behave.

darkfire, i've only quoted this bit, but in general, i know what you're saying on the entire post, and i'm in broad agreement? but . . . .
the "quick shag" TTT&Ts? ((( TM Jags 2004 ))) i'm not so sure we really have any more of them than we ever had? they are probably more noticeable, cos the sites busier, so we get more of all sorts of newbies, hence more obvious amounts of TTT&Ts, but as far as i can see, the balance of decent genuine members to absolute fuckwits seems pretty good?
if it seems like a tidal wave, it's prolly cos we suddenly have 100's, if not 1000's ((( if the stats are to be believed? ))) of new members, but i think we can be over-cautious when it comes to these things? at the end of the day, every one of us who got our first munch invite was taken on trust? i think we need to extend that trust to newbies in the same way?
if they turn out to be twats, then yeah, adios, fuck off, don't ask again, and if we have any say in the matter whatsoever, don't expect to log in again cos we'll do our damndest to see 'em get a ban, but until they prove themselves to be twats, we'll take 'em at their word?
neil x x x ;)
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Inviting newbies to socials and munches... bloody hell... don't ask me!.........
I let Mistress Sassy into a social on a gut whim, a few conversations and a phone call........ and good greif, my ears and liver have been aching since!
She's gonna kill me if she sees this! bolt

I remember Sarah doing something very similar for me :happy:
lol
And a very shy newbie call Darkfire! and Philstarr who walked in to a room when I was wearing only a towel and didn't lower his eyes!!! :lol:
And I know where I have arranged munches, socials, and Rio type visits, I HAVE always tried to let newbies come, even if it mean putting in some extra work such as pming them and getting a phone number and talking to them, or meeting them at (in one case) a motorway service station near to me, to convince them we are not 2 headed axe murders! and to my knowledge the newbies have mixed in well at the event, and not caused any problems.
I think I need to arrange some thing>>>>>>>>>>>>... off to think
Personal opinion:
I don't think that there are any MORE TTT&Ts (thanks for remembering Neil x) than in the past. We always have had periodic influxes... CollymoreGate; exposés in any red top Sunday paper you can think of; articles in other more respected dailies; even mentions on TV (HIGNFY the other day for instance!). One week we can get loads and other weeks none at all.
Dammie is correct, the site isn't hasn't gone the way many regulars thought (including me) and has managed to get some stability in everything except techie things. Perhaps now that those glitch issues are being resolved people will be able to browse and chat and flirt with more ease and confidence.
Munching will go on under whatever name you care to use. Having been dragged to my first one I am now inclined to attend others, though I do see many members from here in a less formal and more personal situation and have a great time.
:P
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...so we get more of all sorts of newbies, hence more obvious amounts of TTT&Ts, but as far as i can see, the balance of decent genuine members to absolute fuckwits seems pretty good?...
...if they turn out to be twats, then yeah, adios, fuck off, don't ask again, and if we have any say in the matter whatsoever, don't expect to log in again cos we'll do our damndest to see 'em get a ban, but until they prove themselves to be twats, we'll take 'em at their word?

Maybe its the single fem in me kicking in hun, I dont know, but while the balance seems pretty good here on the site, its a balance we need to keep at munches & socials.
Every one I've been to so far has included newbies and I'm usually one to go up and say hello and try to make folk feel included etc. I've done my fair share of hand-holding and encouraging noobs to come in the first place - but I do it in the safety of a well organised munch, in a room full of people I know/ am familiar with and in whom I have complete faith in that if anything 'went wrong' because someone was an absolute fuckwit, one of you would be by my side in seconds. You lot are good at that.
My issue with 'newbie munches' or indeed any munch or social where a good number of more well known folk ,and i say this tentatively because i am not as naive as i sound, do nothave their name down, is what happens if someone gets over-zealous, doesnt quite get what its all about or someone decides to cop a feel ? ? That's where the balance is important and thats why I personally wont take the gamble of taking people at their word and seeing if they turn out to be twats once they're there.
My first social (thanks Sarah for the reminder of my shyness lol ) had that balance, I was nervous as hell of walking into the pub because i already knew that everyone else knew each other. In that gathering of people, only myself and a couple were newbies, and looking back on it now, yes it was scary to walk in there, but i wouldnt have the 'balance' any other way.
And yes, while we currently have the situation of a Munch being down -scaled, i am not the least bit surprised that its happened and IMO has turned out like this because that balance wasnt in place.
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...so we get more of all sorts of newbies, hence more obvious amounts of TTT&Ts, but as far as i can see, the balance of decent genuine members to absolute fuckwits seems pretty good?...
...if they turn out to be twats, then yeah, adios, fuck off, don't ask again, and if we have any say in the matter whatsoever, don't expect to log in again cos we'll do our damndest to see 'em get a ban, but until they prove themselves to be twats, we'll take 'em at their word?

Maybe its the single fem in me kicking in hun, I dont know, but while the balance seems pretty good here on the site, its a balance we need to keep at munches & socials.
Every one I've been to so far has included newbies and I'm usually one to go up and say hello and try to make folk feel included etc. I've done my fair share of hand-holding and encouraging noobs to come in the first place - but I do it in the safety of a well organised munch, in a room full of people I know/ am familiar with and in whom I have complete faith in that if anything 'went wrong' because someone was an absolute fuckwit, one of you would be by my side in seconds. You lot are good at that.
My issue with 'newbie munches' or indeed any munch or social where a good number of more well known folk ,and i say this tentatively because i am not as naive as i sound, do nothave their name down, is what happens if someone gets over-zealous, doesnt quite get what its all about or someone decides to cop a feel ? ? That's where the balance is important and thats why I personally wont take the gamble of taking people at their word and seeing if they turn out to be twats once they're there.

DF I am in total agreement here. I don't have a problem with newbies at Munches, we do need a constant influx of new blood. However IMO there does need to b a balance between established members and Newbies at the event for exactley this reason;
- but I do it in the safety of a well organised munch, in a room full of people I know/ am familiar with and in whom I have complete faith in that if anything 'went wrong' because someone was an absolute fuckwit, one of you would be by my side in seconds. You lot are good at that.

Neil, Yes if they turn out to be tw*ts and oveerstep boundries they do get banned, but that is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Especially if there wasn't enough established members around to help you out by noticing you were in trouble. rolleyes
Les x
darkfire, les, yeah i know . . . . it's a bit late once some twats mauled you to death cos they think that's all fine and dandy, but how do you really go about preventing it?
i could, if i was a dastardly devious sexual predator, post away for weeks and months, be all sweetness and light on the forums, in chat, on the phone, or even at an initial little social gathering, and convince you and everyone else that i was the embodiment of everything a swinging male should be . . . . . until such time as i decide i've got me feet well and truly under the table, and can go on to molest all and sundry.
sadly, i don't think you can legislate against that, no matter what you do? doesn't matter how many precautions you take, you can only minimise risk, not eliminate it completely, and even established members can be arseholes if they're that way out, and forget themselves?
but yeah, i take your point, there needs to be a balance? if their ain't so many regs who know eachother and help build the atmosphere and ease the newbies in gently at munches ((( and actively watch people's backs? ))) they're prolly a bit pointless for everybody anyways, which comes back to the concerns that regs just ain't up for it at the mo, which means everybody loses out?
neil x x x ;)
I think munches have been the victim of their own success - I'll let Nellie explain why lol :lol: :lol:
Seriously though they are now huge events which take enormous amounts of planning to ensure criteria and guidelines are met.
A lot of people are calling them Socials just to avoid the politics let alone avoid the uncertainty, and that seems to be relevant everywhere not just here.
Perhaps its right that more meets are becoming socials and that members are then responsible for the entire event, instead of it impacting on memberships dunno
Jas
XXX
jas, i don't see why you think i should do it? dunno i don't even know what you're on about, or where you're going with this? lol :P
besides, i've made 4 posts on a 3 page thread ((( before this one! ))) which exceeds my all-new self-imposed rule of one post per page, cos even i get bored sometimes reading meself waffle on and on and on and on and on . . . . :P ;)
neil x x x ;)
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jas, i don't see why you think i should do it? dunno i don't even know what you're on about, or where you're going with this? lol :P
besides, i've made 4 posts on a 3 page thread ((( before this one! ))) which exceeds my all-new self-imposed rule of one post per page, cos even i get bored sometimes reading meself waffle on and on and on and on and on . . . . :P ;)
neil x x x ;)

You are just soooooooooooo lazy lately - I thought I could rely on you rolleyes
passionkiss
Jas
XXX
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I think a lot of people ran away from what they thought SH would become after and because of the change of ownership. I also think a lot of those people – and I include myself – were mistaken, and are beginning to see that they haven’t found the swinging nirvana or utopia they seek. I include ALL the beakaway sites in that statement, not just the one I refer to as “over the road”
It saddens me to accept that some, maybe all, will not return to the fold here, due to human nature and face saving issues.
In the café at the moment, there are more than enough “woe is me” type threads about the “state” of the forum, plus the added problem of technical glitches.
But I really do think that things aren’t as bad as many of us thought they would be.
Yes – there’s a bigger element of wanna shag/quick shag brigade and the things “we rolleyes “ didn’t and don’t want, but is it really that bad ?

I don't know about the state of munches or anything but I picked up on what Dambuster said and thought I'd add my own thoughts.
Good point there Dambuster,
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I have come to the conclusion that no 1 site is currently occupying all my efforts.
I was dismayed and worried at what SH would become back in December. I didn't like the change, I don't generally like change. I ran away from here.
I'm now finding my feet back here again. It isn't as bad as I thought it would be. There are some things I don't wish to use on the site, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
I'm trying to fit back in, but it is difficult when there are soooo many people I no longer know. One of the things that made me want to come back was the friends I've missed "over the road".
I think a lot of people are having similar thoughts and are slowly coming back into the fold.
It can only be a good thing.... the community is becoming less fragmented.
smile
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I think a lot of people are having similar thoughts and are slowly coming back into the fold.
It can only be a good thing.... the community is becoming less fragmented.
smile

I agree 100& and was very sorry to see the way you were treated 'elsewhere' recently :cry:
and luckily the community here welcomes those coming back to the fold without question biggrin
Onlyme
I'll help you find your feet again :twisted: :twisted:
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and luckily the community here welcomes those coming back to the fold without question biggrin

:thumbup:
I would evn go as far as saying that I (personally) am very glad to see it.
now look what you made me do FFS! 6 posts on a 3 page thread! rolleyes :P
Quote by Bloke2005
I think a lot of people are having similar thoughts and are slowly coming back into the fold.
It can only be a good thing.... the community is becoming less fragmented.
smile

I agree 100& and was very sorry to see the way you were treated 'elsewhere' recently :cry:
ditto! :roll: kiss for only_me! ;)
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and luckily the community here welcomes those coming back to the fold without question biggrin

double ditto! ((( i would hope and expect? )))
i think there's a realisation that whatever your feelings about this or that, the split has been hugely damaging in some ways. noones happy about it, and neither site will be the success we want them to be unless there's a determination to make both work? sadly some lines have been drawn that can't be crossed.
i have no axe to grind either way, cos i've kind of lost my way here and elsewhere of late, and i can't pretend to speak for anyone else, but i think those who left had valid reasons, as they saw it at the time, but are beginning to realise that some of the issues they thought they were leaving behind have followed them, simply because some of those issues are in the nature of websites in general, and not all down to commercialisation?
dammy, yeah, i have to admit there's a fair amount of humble pie to choke down here too. i won't pretend i like some things, cos i dislike some things on principle, but no, things ain't nearly so bad as some of us feared, and can be remedied pretty easily if the willingness is there to do it! ;)
neil x x x ;)
Quote by Bloke2005
I think a lot of people are having similar thoughts and are slowly coming back into the fold.
It can only be a good thing.... the community is becoming less fragmented.
smile

I agree 100& and was very sorry to see the way you were treated 'elsewhere' recently :cry:
Ditto! I think quite a few were.
I've just lost the will to post after being logged out......... again sad
I'm so fed up of having to write things in word documents and then cut and paste. :( More than 24 minutes pleaseeeee admin! worship (ok, I'm not too ashamed to get on my knees and beg! ;) )
kiss
Gem. x
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I think a lot of people ran away from what they thought SH would become after and because of the change of ownership. I also think a lot of those people – and I include myself – were mistaken, and are beginning to see that they haven’t found the swinging nirvana or utopia they seek. I include ALL the beakaway sites in that statement, not just the one I refer to as “over the road”
It saddens me to accept that some, maybe all, will not return to the fold here, due to human nature and face saving issues.
In the café at the moment, there are more than enough “woe is me” type threads about the “state” of the forum, plus the added problem of technical glitches.
But I really do think that things aren’t as bad as many of us thought they would be.
Yes – there’s a bigger element of wanna shag/quick shag brigade and the things “we rolleyes “ didn’t and don’t want, but is it really that bad ?

I don't know about the state of munches or anything but I picked up on what Dambuster said and thought I'd add my own thoughts.
Good point there Dambuster,
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I have come to the conclusion that no 1 site is currently occupying all my efforts.
I was dismayed and worried at what SH would become back in December. I didn't like the change, I don't generally like change. I ran away from here.
I'm now finding my feet back here again. It isn't as bad as I thought it would be. There are some things I don't wish to use on the site, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
I'm trying to fit back in, but it is difficult when there are soooo many people I no longer know. One of the things that made me want to come back was the friends I've missed "over the road".
I think a lot of people are having similar thoughts and are slowly coming back into the fold.
It can only be a good thing.... the community is becoming less fragmented.
smile
for me, slowly coming back here isnt about saing face, for me, its about learning what i am wanting from the community.
i joined my first swinging site, swingingheaven, back in sept of last year, not knowing what i wanted, or what i was expecting. Through the chatrooms, i started getting to know people (i wasnt using the forums then) who i was finding interesting, and enjoyed listening to some of the things they had to say.
then in dec of last year, things here were changing, and due to peoples personal views and opinions, they decided to break away and i didnt know what to So, like a sheep, i followed, not giving any real thought to the situation, or to the actual swinging side of the site, just wanted to go where the people i chatted to was heading.
since then, i have sat and thought what i want from this community, and my place in it, and have found that sex and the swinging that contains it isnt the highest priority that i have. I have slowly been drifting back here, and will continue to do so, as it seems to me, that the people here seem far more settled in their own minds, about what they want, wheras elsewhere, all i see are silly, childish politics, which i dont even think can be called politics, its just childish bickering, if i wanted to see that, id go and visit my darling nieces and nephews.
Me coming back here has nothing to do with saving/losing face, its about finding what i want, and that was reinforced at the weekend, in a chat i had with a lovely young lady, where we both surprised each other when we realised we both have a very similar outlook on our views within this community, and i am realising my views arent as singular as i had previously felt
The people of this community, in the short time i have been here, have changed my views and opinions, formed new views and opinions, changed me as a person, made me think more, about situations i would have flippantly disregarded.
This isnt a case of me walking back in, tail between my legs, stammering out a "ok, im sorry, i shouldnt have left" as i havent actually left, i have been elsewhere, a place which has taught me a lot about how this particular community works, and has taught me a lot about where i want to be, how i intend to go about it.
I was once a noob, i had no idea, of what i want, and when i found it, how to get it, but there is a wealth of experience in this community, both in swinging, and in life, and if anyone, old or new, wants to embrace this, the efforts and patience in finding what is wanted, makes the rewards that much better, its not for me to say whether involving an influx of new people is a good thing or not, but if a new person puts the effort in, they will get noticed, the cream always rises to the top, and as such, the newbie growth will be steady, rather than a deluge, as those who dont want to embrace the community will be quickly seen
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I think a lot of people are having similar thoughts and are slowly coming back into the fold.
It can only be a good thing.... the community is becoming less fragmented.
smile

I agree 100& and was very sorry to see the way you were treated 'elsewhere' recently :cry:
Ditto! I think quite a few were.
Absolutely.
redface I only just realised who Essex34m is.
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I think a lot of people are having similar thoughts and are slowly coming back into the fold.
It can only be a good thing.... the community is becoming less fragmented.
smile

I agree 100& and was very sorry to see the way you were treated 'elsewhere' recently :cry:
Ditto! I think quite a few were.
Absolutely.
redface I only just realised who Essex34m is.
I also agree, but please don't shoot me down in flames, but can we please please please keep the politics off the forum, it doesn't create a very nice atmosphere bolt
Les x
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I also agree, but please don't shoot me down in flames, but can we please please please keep the politics off the forum, it doesn't create a very nice atmosphere bolt
Les x

Yes, amen to that too!
Quote by couple_ne2000
I also agree, but please don't shoot me down in flames, but can we please please please keep the politics off the forum, it doesn't create a very nice atmosphere bolt
Les x

hear hear.... I have learnt in the past 6 months to stick my fingers in my ears and shout "la la la" whenever i hear a comment about "x" and how "y" and "z" doesnt get along...
Actually i am now in my own little "ignorant" bubble and am offically the last person "to know about anything."... and a lot happier for that!!!!
it is suppose to be an escape from it all.... my own little place of happiness.... I also wish certain people would come back.. but i know they wont and the site isnt the same without them.. but onward and upwards i suppose......for example i think i was one of the fiercest critics of the chatrooms as they were introduced.... now i have mellowed...
sean xxxxxxxxxx
FB, i am glad i am not the only one who didnt have a clue who essex34m was... at bristol he basically has to whistle the theme tune to "melrose place" for me to finally twigged.. and i have been cursing him all night for not being there not realising!!!! redface smile
to Frecklebird and Fabio........
I'm back.............
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I'm back.............

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I've just lost the will to post after being logged out......... again sad
I'm so fed up of having to write things in word documents and then cut and paste. :( More than 24 minutes pleaseeeee admin! worship (ok, I'm not too ashamed to get on my knees and beg! ;) )
kiss
Gem. x

dont bother wirting it in a word doc, just type as normal, then copy it, hit send and if you have been logged out then just log back in and paste your response, lot quicker and often you dont get logged out anyway
staggy
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I've just lost the will to post after being logged out......... again sad
I'm so fed up of having to write things in word documents and then cut and paste. :( More than 24 minutes pleaseeeee admin! worship (ok, I'm not too ashamed to get on my knees and beg! ;) )
kiss
Gem. x

dont bother wirting it in a word doc, just type as normal, then copy it, hit send and if you have been logged out then just log back in and paste your response, lot quicker and often you dont get logged out anyway
staggy
Thanks for that.
It's ok doing that if you don't have the brain like a seive and actually remember to click copy before trying to post! redface
ok, yeah, I admit I did it three times on the trot :( rolleyes :doh: