Invading Iran

14 Oct 2005

Quote by bushwackers

1. Turkey never got involved when Saddam was killing thousands of Kurds so why should they now.
2. I have lived in Egypt & Saudi and your wrong, the rest i can not comment on.
3. Israel coped easy enough in the seventies against the Arabs.
4. Iran was a far better place before the islamic revolution

to Answer your points......god i love a political arguement.....
1) the Reason why Turkey would be dragged in is that the homeland the Kurds would be fighting for (kurdistan) is actually made up of parts of Iraq and Turkey...... (The closest example i can think of off the top of my head is kashmir, which is split between india and pakistan) anyway.... the turkish Government won't even recognise the kurds... hence the apalling human rights record......IF turkey were to get dragged in then then both the EU and NATO would act as any attack on one is seen as an attack on all....
2) you may have live in egypt and saudi..... it is the Reason that Egypt won't hold elections, if there was ever to be a fair election i would certainly have a bet with you...
3) late 60's early seventies... a long time ago, and i would suggest that most countries are a lot better equipped now... and at the time they were fighting one border at a time., i would hazzard a guess that if they were having to fight and protect all fronts they may well be a lot more stretched......
4) you say that Iran was a better place before the revolution.... i would probably agree that the rich were very cosy....... but i don't quite get your point......are you saying that it is better not to be democratic then?????
On Oct. 6, 1973, the Jewish holy day Yom Kippur, a two-pronged assault on Israel was launched. Egyptian forces struck eastward across the Suez Canal and pushed the Israelis back, while the Syrians advanced from the north. Iraqi forces joined the war and, in addition, Syria received some support from Jordan, Libya, and the smaller Arab states. The attacks caught Israel off guard, and it was several days before the country was fully mobilized; Israel then forced the Syrians and Egyptians back and, in the last hours of the war, established a salient on the west bank of
Yes but as you said it was 1973 thw world had moved on. I don't doubt that Israel has the capability of holding its own today but with suicide bombers in its own back yard things could get very very nasty :cry:

14 Oct 2005

Quote by seagull69

1. Turkey never got involved when Saddam was killing thousands of Kurds so why should they now.
2. I have lived in Egypt & Saudi and your wrong, the rest i can not comment on.
3. Israel coped easy enough in the seventies against the Arabs.
4. Iran was a far better place before the islamic revolution

to Answer your points......god i love a political arguement.....
1) the Reason why Turkey would be dragged in is that the homeland the Kurds would be fighting for (kurdistan) is actually made up of parts of Iraq and Turkey...... (The closest example i can think of off the top of my head is kashmir, which is split between india and pakistan) anyway.... the turkish Government won't even recognise the kurds... hence the apalling human rights record......IF turkey were to get dragged in then then both the EU and NATO would act as any attack on one is seen as an attack on all....
2) you may have live in egypt and saudi..... it is the Reason that Egypt won't hold elections, if there was ever to be a fair election i would certainly have a bet with you...
3) late 60's early seventies... a long time ago, and i would suggest that most countries are a lot better equipped now... and at the time they were fighting one border at a time., i would hazzard a guess that if they were having to fight and protect all fronts they may well be a lot more stretched......
4) you say that Iran was a better place before the revolution.... i would probably agree that the rich were very cosy....... but i don't quite get your point......are you saying that it is better not to be democratic then?????
On Oct. 6, 1973, the Jewish holy day Yom Kippur, a two-pronged assault on Israel was launched. Egyptian forces struck eastward across the Suez Canal and pushed the Israelis back, while the Syrians advanced from the north. Iraqi forces joined the war and, in addition, Syria received some support from Jordan, Libya, and the smaller Arab states. The attacks caught Israel off guard, and it was several days before the country was fully mobilized; Israel then forced the Syrians and Egyptians back and, in the last hours of the war, established a salient on the west bank of
Yes but as you said it was 1973 thw world had moved on. I don't doubt that Israel has the capability of holding its own today but with suicide bombers in its own back yard things could get very very nasty:cry:
But the suicide bomber is not a recent development, and is mainly a more pschological weapon, than military one.

14 Oct 2005

Quote by bushwackers

1. Turkey never got involved when Saddam was killing thousands of Kurds so why should they now.
2. I have lived in Egypt & Saudi and your wrong, the rest i can not comment on.
3. Israel coped easy enough in the seventies against the Arabs.
4. Iran was a far better place before the islamic revolution

to Answer your points......god i love a political arguement.....
1) the Reason why Turkey would be dragged in is that the homeland the Kurds would be fighting for (kurdistan) is actually made up of parts of Iraq and Turkey...... (The closest example i can think of off the top of my head is kashmir, which is split between india and pakistan) anyway.... the turkish Government won't even recognise the kurds... hence the apalling human rights record......IF turkey were to get dragged in then then both the EU and NATO would act as any attack on one is seen as an attack on all....
2) you may have live in egypt and saudi..... it is the Reason that Egypt won't hold elections, if there was ever to be a fair election i would certainly have a bet with you...
3) late 60's early seventies... a long time ago, and i would suggest that most countries are a lot better equipped now... and at the time they were fighting one border at a time., i would hazzard a guess that if they were having to fight and protect all fronts they may well be a lot more stretched......
4) you say that Iran was a better place before the revolution.... i would probably agree that the rich were very cosy....... but i don't quite get your point......are you saying that it is better not to be democratic then?????
On Oct. 6, 1973, the Jewish holy day Yom Kippur, a two-pronged assault on Israel was launched. Egyptian forces struck eastward across the Suez Canal and pushed the Israelis back, while the Syrians advanced from the north. Iraqi forces joined the war and, in addition, Syria received some support from Jordan, Libya, and the smaller Arab states. The attacks caught Israel off guard, and it was several days before the country was fully mobilized; Israel then forced the Syrians and Egyptians back and, in the last hours of the war, established a salient on the west bank of
like we said... you are talking about a war 32 years ago..... actually was looking forward to your answer to point 4... so which is better.... a rich dictatorship or a poor democracy????

14 Oct 2005

Quote by Devon1
[But the suicide bomber is not a recent development, and is mainly a more pschological weapon, than military one.

The point I was trying to make was that in the yom kippur war suicide bombers weren't around. I think if Israel attacked its Arab neighbours the recent wave of suicide bombers in that country would look like a vicars tea party.

14 Oct 2005

Quote by Phire
It's ridiculous going to war for oil when we can all drive cars that run on refined rapeseed or hemp oil.

Or cooking oil but we get charged tax on it if we use it for fuel....and our government wants to promote sustainable use of resourses confused

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