Don't normally have any truck with forwarded emails and I'd certainly never normally consider pasting one into a forum, but I thought you all might be interested in this: I'll just paste the email I received.
Any thoughts? There are points to be made here relating to freedom of speech, the "word of God", and political correctness, but I'm a little busy right now and will come back to that in a bit... my personal opinion is complicated as to whether she should be allowed to say this, but I strongly, strongly disagree with the sentiments she expresses.
Oh, incidentally, I have no feelings whatsoever regarding the Irish Question in general - as long as they generally refrain from killing each other, and nobody is the subject of sectarian discrimination I really don't care what flag goes on the public buildings.
Subject: Oppose Iris Robinson – petition
Iris Robinson is a Democratic Unionist Party MP and wife of Peter Robinson, the leader of the DUP since the recent retirement of the Reverend Ian Paisley. She is also the chair of the NI Assembly's Committee on Health.
Mrs Robinson is now the subject of complaint to the police on account of her recent public announcement that gays are "an abomination", and need psychiatric help to be "turned around". Yesterday she intensified her stance, with a BBC interview in which she announces that "as sinners", gays should be regarded alongside murderers.
Local press coverage from Northern Ireland makes it clear her activities have begun to fuel hatred in Northern Ireland; and it is deplorable that the first lady should seek the limelight by replacing guns with homophobia to dismantle the peace process.
Northern Ireland trade unions are calling for Iris Robinson to stand down from the Committee on Health which she chairs, and a petition addressed to the Prime Minister in support of this call is now in circulation. I hope you will use the link below and add your name to the petition. Please also forward it to anyone and everyone who will be opposed to this return to darkness that be firmly in the past.
I'd also note that the DUP is the party whose support enabled the passage through Parliament of legislation to extend to 42 days internment by the police of "terrorist suspects" – legislation which is to apply throughout the UK. DUP spokespersons have already made it evident they expect government favour for their help in passing this legislation, which Amnesty International has described as an affront to civl liberty. As an MP, Mrs Robinson was among those who voted to carry this bill. In other words, to view Mrs Robinson and the DUP as influential solely in Northern Ireland is to disregard the role they are now taking in the wider sphere of UK politics.
Please add your name to the petition, to join in voicing opposition against these developments.
Thanks for reading this.
Paddy
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Iris Robinson interviewed yesterday
Belfast Telegraph report
Iris Robinson's opening salvo
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Iris Robinson - an abomination
Sex God
I hardly think it is likely to dismantle the peace process! Why do people weaken their argument by overstating it?
I would've thought bigoted opinions like this are more likely to be seen for what they are these days. The problem is that it incites the mindless latent bigots.
'Goo-goo-ga-lube'Mrs Robinson.
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I would've thought bigoted opinions like this are more likely to be seen for what they are these days. The problem is that it incites the mindless latent bigots.
'Goo-goo-ga-lube'Mrs Robinson.
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Is Mrs Robinson expressing a moral stance here?
I never bothered to read the atached... but assume that to be the case.
as has been said, we are indeed all entitled to our opinion, though we may be judged by them also.
Perhaps she should be a little more wary, considering her antics with that young student chap.
lp
I never bothered to read the atached... but assume that to be the case.
as has been said, we are indeed all entitled to our opinion, though we may be judged by them also.
Perhaps she should be a little more wary, considering her antics with that young student chap.
lp
Warming the Bed
Were she expressing the same bigoted opinions about a religous minority (Muslims for instance) she would be run out of town in about 90 seconds. Why the Gay community has to put up with this in this day and age is beyond me.
And no, in my opinion she is not entitled to this opinion. Inciting racial hatred is a crime in this Country and so should this be. She should be nicked and banged up. Narrow minded religous zealot.
And no, in my opinion she is not entitled to this opinion. Inciting racial hatred is a crime in this Country and so should this be. She should be nicked and banged up. Narrow minded religous zealot.
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Were she expressing the same bigoted opinions about a religous minority (Muslims for instance) she would be run out of town in about 90 seconds. Why the Gay community has to put up with this in this day and age is beyond me.
And no, in my opinion she is not entitled to this opinion. Inciting racial hatred is a crime in this Country and so should this be. She should be nicked and banged up. Narrow minded religous zealot.
Sorry, but she is entitled to her opinion as you are yours.
Yes she is entitled to her opinion, what she isn't entitled to is her opinion being thought of as correct, inciting hatred against other human beings or having her opinion impinging on others' rights.
It is obvious you are not in agreement with her, but who are you? And how do you know her so well to say that your opinions count and hers count for nothing?
Because it isn't a question of right or wrong, it's a question of subjectivity and right-mindedness. And inciting hatred against any other human being is never right. Ever.
Are we not all in this mess together?
Nope.
Right will prevail.
How naive.
Always.
Sometimes would be more accurate statistically.
Regardless of our opinions.
Opinions are not facts.
Tell that to the next gay guy that gets the crap kicked out of him by some homophobic zealot that actually believes what this menopausal bitch is spouting.
Warming the Bed
thanks peanut- saved me the bother.
Arguments are not won by typing in BOLD.
Arguments are not won by typing in BOLD.
Warming the Bed
If she is a politician she's talking bollox anyway, by definition.
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
in fact while I am on one.. here is another one
We were on our way home from a friends funeral and the radio 2 were doing a talk show about her and both Shireen and I were screaming at the radio about her
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A link to a petition to Islington Council
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in fact while I am on one.. here is another one
"In the light of the revelations over the weekend that Miss Ladele has in fact had a child out of wedlock it does seem that the tribunal should have tested the exact nature of her claimed religious beliefs rather harder.
"It remains difficult to escape the conclusion that the principal motivation in this case for Ms Ladele, and for the Christian Institute who funded her, was prejudice against gay people and not a strongly-held religious position at all."
How did they reach that conclusion?
If they are saying, she can not have religious views because she did something in her earlier life that was against the preachings of the church..........then in the same essence, it is like saying someone who had a heterosexual relationship when they were younger can not be gay. Both statements are ridiculous. Just because someone found their faith later on in life does not make them less or more religious then the next person. Same applies to gay people who discover their sexuality later in life.....it does not make them less gay.
Dave_Notts
Quote by winchwench, 2008
I believe this to be the same dozy bint I heard interviewed on the radio the other day on a different issue. If it is, she can't hold her own in an argument and isn't half as clever as she thinks she is. So give her enough rope, and hopefully right will prevail
Mildly distasteful but...
I can't be alone in having felt a little, erm, Schadenfreude, about the eventual downfall of Iris? Although I didn't expect it to go quite so catastrophically.
Quote by Dave__Notts
in fact while I am on one.. here is another one
"In the light of the revelations over the weekend that Miss Ladele has in fact had a child out of wedlock it does seem that the tribunal should have tested the exact nature of her claimed religious beliefs rather harder.
"It remains difficult to escape the conclusion that the principal motivation in this case for Ms Ladele, and for the Christian Institute who funded her, was prejudice against gay people and not a strongly-held religious position at all."
How did they reach that conclusion?
If they are saying, she can not have religious views because she did something in her earlier life that was against the preachings of the church..........then in the same essence, it is like saying someone who had a heterosexual relationship when they were younger can not be gay. Both statements are ridiculous. Just because someone found their faith later on in life does not make them less or more religious then the next person. Same applies to gay people who discover their sexuality later in life.....it does not make them less gay.
Dave_Notts
I totally agree with you Dave. (nothing unusual in that I know) it is the hypocrisy that boils my piss
plus being a 'good catholic' by upbringing not choice I do remember the phrase 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' John 8:7.
Sex God
Quote by cerunnos
Sorry, but she is entitled to her opinion as you are yours.
I think your statement is misguided because whilst she may have an opinion, she holds a position which requires she does not air it in the way she has done.
The role of an MP:
Each MP represents a defined area (usually referred to as a constituency). Their role is to work on behalf of all the people in the constituency - even those who did not vote for the MP. They are there to help constituents with all matters for which Central Government is responsible.
The law:
On 1st December 2003, the new Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003 came into force. The Government were required to introduce these new anti-discrimination rules as a result of the European Union Equal Treatment Directive.
The effect of the new Regulations is that gay, lesbian, bisexual and heterosexual men and women will be protected from discrimination on grounds of their sexual orientation.
Nuff said
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I believe this to be the same dozy bint I heard interviewed on the radio the other day on a different issue. If it is, she can't hold her own in an argument and isn't half as clever as she thinks she is. So give her enough rope, and hopefully right will prevail
Mildly distasteful but...
I can't be alone in having felt a little, erm, Schadenfreude, about the eventual downfall of Iris? Although I didn't expect it to go quite so catastrophically.
>>>Feels a little :smug:<<<
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
On the question of should she have been able to say this,of course she hould,sorry i am a libertarian, the more we ban,the more people will want to ban,i would prefer to be given the chance to meet her and point out the fallacies in her arguemets,
Should she have been able to say it? Yes. Should she have got away with it? No. It's absolutely right that she was brought to task for what was said, particularly given her position.
It continues to amaze me that we have people in this modern age who think they can cure this "illness" by treatment. The effort would be better put into addressing the hatred that ill-informed clatter-mouths like this woman stir up.
I'd be happy to stand by your side whilst you give her a good pointing out.
Quote by Kaznkev
On the question of should she have been able to say this,of course she hould,sorry i am a libertarian, the more we ban,the more people will want to ban,i would prefer to be given the chance to meet her and point out the fallacies in her arguemets,
Should she have been able to say it? Yes. Should she have got away with it? No. It's absolutely right that she was brought to task for what was said, particularly given her position.
It continues to amaze me that we have people in this modern age who think they can cure this "illness" by treatment. The effort would be better put into addressing the hatred that ill-informed clatter-mouths like this woman stir up.
I'd be happy to stand by your side whilst you give her a good pointing out.
ohh moral support, i actually went and got my bible and found the MANY passages about adultery, fight fire with fire i say!
An interesting thing bout theses christian bigots is how unchristian their lives generally are.
Isn't life unbearably complex? Normally I'd want to claim any late 50s woman shagging the arse off a lad forty years younger than her as one of our own...
But it's Iris Robinson, and she's a bigot, a fundamentalist, thicker than Hadrian's Wall and a shameless political crook.
And a hypocrite.
But a tiny bit of me feels sorry for her.
Sex God
I can't get the links to work.
Isn't she the desperate middle aged one who shagged a 19 year old and then used tax payer's money to set him up in a business that then failed?
Or to put it more succinctly - isn't she a politician?
Isn't she the desperate middle aged one who shagged a 19 year old and then used tax payer's money to set him up in a business that then failed?
Or to put it more succinctly - isn't she a politician?
Oh, maybe I should have said somewhere - this was a two-year-old thread that I revived after I came across it looking through some of my old posts. So the links, and the court case and all that were two years ago when she first made the comments.
My initial response when the adultery and the allegations of fraud came out, was one of delight at her misfortune. As things unravelled to such a catastrophic extent I did start to feel a little ashamed of that, and a little tiny bit sorry for her. But, when I remind myself of the monumental bigotry of this woman and her apparent belief that she could get away with whatever she liked, only a little bit sorry.
My initial response when the adultery and the allegations of fraud came out, was one of delight at her misfortune. As things unravelled to such a catastrophic extent I did start to feel a little ashamed of that, and a little tiny bit sorry for her. But, when I remind myself of the monumental bigotry of this woman and her apparent belief that she could get away with whatever she liked, only a little bit sorry.
