My father was an alcoholic, although I understood his reason as to what lead him to drink I could never understand why he wanted to.
His mother died when he was a child and he never got over the fact that he felt she had deserted him.
Even though he had a loving wife and great children his insecurities ran deep which lead him to drink.
I was angry for a long time with him and asked him why he couldn’t see what he had and could lose, but loved him to as his problem only became our problem when I was a late teenager before that he was a great Dad.
We all tried for years to get him help, but found out that if you didn’t want to help yourself there was nothing anyone else could do.
He is still with us but shouldn’t drink due to poor health but I know he still sneaks one in if he can.
This has caused me never to want to drink at home I have the odd glass when out socialising and have issues around serious drinkers.
I have often wondered why some people go through similar situations and can deal with them without taking up an addict.
Can drinking in this way be a shield to hide insecurities?
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Is alcoholism a shield?
Sex God
any addiction is a shield and hides what is the true cause of the proble ... it is never the answer it only(in my opinion) hides the problem for a short while. i feel sorry for people with an addiction and its right that unless the person seeks and wants to accept help that they can be helped... even then its a long hard jurney they are on and also everyone involved must be prepared for backward as well as forward before any 'cure' (wrongword i know but cannt think of the right 1 at the mo) is reached
there's a dreadfull word... I rather like it... and it can be used to seperate those that develop a problem from those who never do when it comes to addictive personalities and addiction itsself.
that word is 'propensity'... sometimes it may be spelt correctly too.
there is this thing you see, we call it the human mind.
it's a bloody awfull and twisted thing... plays many tricks and fools the end user all the time.
then there is the body itsself.
once that has a grip on the drug of choice, it's own cravings and physical dependancy work in twin with the previously mentioned organ to create what we all see as a sad, bitter and no doubt down-right nasty person.
Alcohol is a shield yes... its a weapon also... a giver of courage to carry-on for a long time. A creator of fear... "without this shield and this weapon, I am defeated. I am nothing."
"we" alcoholics, I believe, mean you no real harm... we may love you deeply... thougheverything,over time, has allgone rather astray... we fear loss... we fear intimacy... we fear exposure.
We Fear.
it can get better though....believe me.
lp
that word is 'propensity'... sometimes it may be spelt correctly too.
there is this thing you see, we call it the human mind.
it's a bloody awfull and twisted thing... plays many tricks and fools the end user all the time.
then there is the body itsself.
once that has a grip on the drug of choice, it's own cravings and physical dependancy work in twin with the previously mentioned organ to create what we all see as a sad, bitter and no doubt down-right nasty person.
Alcohol is a shield yes... its a weapon also... a giver of courage to carry-on for a long time. A creator of fear... "without this shield and this weapon, I am defeated. I am nothing."
"we" alcoholics, I believe, mean you no real harm... we may love you deeply... thougheverything,over time, has allgone rather astray... we fear loss... we fear intimacy... we fear exposure.
We Fear.
it can get better though....believe me.
lp
Sex God
Random this is for you 
There is a young person in my family who may never see those words, that so needs them I think. If not now, later........
There is a young person in my family who may never see those words, that so needs them I think. If not now, later........
Sex God
ok controvacy here ..... alcahoilics.. lose everything ... family, job etc ... go on the dole ... get extra cash for more booze... perhaps get ill from the abuse ... cost the nhs and therefore tax payers even more ..... should they be given the extra cash.
should the extra cash also go to those dependent on other substances or just the legal over the counter addictions like booze ... tabacco also an addiction but also not subsidised for people on benifits
just a thought
should the extra cash also go to those dependent on other substances or just the legal over the counter addictions like booze ... tabacco also an addiction but also not subsidised for people on benifits
just a thought
Quote by __random_orbit__
there's a dreadfull word... I rather like it... and it can be used to seperate those that develop a problem from those who never do when it comes to addictive personalities and addiction itsself.
that word is 'propensity'... sometimes it may be spelt correctly too.
there is this thing you see, we call it the human mind.
it's a bloody awfull and twisted thing... plays many tricks and fools the end user all the time.
then there is the body itsself.
once that has a grip on the drug of choice, it's own cravings and physical dependancy work in twin with the previously mentioned organ to create what we all see as a sad, bitter and no doubt down-right nasty person.
Alcohol is a shield yes... its a weapon also... a giver of courage to carry-on for a long time. A creator of fear... "without this shield and this weapon, I am defeated. I am nothing."
"we" alcoholics, I believe, mean you no real harm... we may love you deeply... thougheverything,over time, has allgone rather astray... we fear loss... we fear intimacy... we fear exposure.
We Fear.
it can get better though....believe me.
lp
Very poignant words lp
Quote by Sara_2006
ok controvacy here ..... alcahoilics.. lose everything ... family, job etc ... go on the dole ... get extra cash for more booze... perhaps get ill from the abuse ... cost the nhs and therefore tax payers even more ..... should they be given the extra cash.
should the extra cash also go to those dependent on other substances or just the legal over the counter addictions like booze ... tabacco also an addiction but also not subsidised for people on benifits
just a thought
Alcoholics are people with a disease. They should get what anyone else with a disease is entitled to.
It's no different than smokers getting treatment/benefits for cancer or heart problems. teenagers driving too fast and wiping themselves out in a car or bike etc etc
Sex God
sorry peanut i didnt make it clear ... my point was meant to be about the extra cash and feeding the addiction not the treatment that i believe we are all entitled to no matter how it came about that we need it ... our own doing or a freak accident or we are geneticaly more prone to something or any other reason we need the treatment
the comment was also not intended to trivialise any suffering that others have/are going through and if it causes upset or anger then for that i am sorry
the comment was also not intended to trivialise any suffering that others have/are going through and if it causes upset or anger then for that i am sorry
Quote by Sara_2006
ok controvacy here ..... alcahoilics.. lose everything ... family, job etc ... go on the dole ... get extra cash for more booze... perhaps get ill from the abuse ... cost the nhs and therefore tax payers even more ..... should they be given the extra cash.
should the extra cash also go to those dependent on other substances or just the legal over the counter addictions like booze ... tabacco also an addiction but also not subsidised for people on benifits
just a thought
Hi Sara,
I have to say my father worked everyday of his life, I never knew him to take a day off through being completely legless the night before.
How he done that, none of us ever knew, he never drove so we were lucky there but the job he done he done well and was totally respected in his field.
To others he never had a problem because of this he was a very hard working man. He provided for us all even bought his own house all paid for now.
But this is a man that for years could drink a bottle of gin and tins of special brew in one evening.
I have no answer to how he coped day to day but he would say he didnt have a problem as he worked for us all. Give him his due he did, he took family responsible very well, I just think if he didnt have this problem he wouldnt have missed out on so much. This I find sad!
Some very thought provoking threads going on at the moment... this one is especially close to me.
In 2005 I lost my husband. The coroner recorded the cause of death as natural but alcohol played a part in his state of health up to his death. (Though another supposed factor was the side effect of a drug he shouldn't have been prescribed...)
He used alcohol to "not feel anything" and they were his precise words. He lost his dad at 13 to cancer, then his mum at 21 to cancer, after nursing her on his own for years (no help from family) we then lost people over the next few years to various things, but the majority to cancer. When my mum died of a heart attack in 1998 that was the start of the "falldown" (another one of his words)
He lost his best friend to cancer in 2002, then another passed away suddenly, then my brother was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma. It was in 2003 when he had to leave his job as he couldn't cope without a drink. He had worked in that job for over 26 years and in that time had only taken two days off for a leg injury, even working while his mum was ill. He had never had anything off the state until that point.. and it took four months to get that sorted. He had paid into the system in that 26 years a lot of money.. so we didn't see anything wrong in asking for help now that we needed it.. though others thought differently.
They didn't think he should have anything because he was an "alkie". But before he got really bad, he used to help others with their addictions, because he understood what they were going through. Yet we had one hell of a job getting help as in Oxford only 20% of alcoholics get help, though 100% of drug addicts get it. I can't fault the people who tried though.
Like peanut said, alcoholism IS a disease, though some poo poo this. A lot of people with any sort of addiction use it to cope. My husband couldn't deal with all the loss that we had gone through, and he finally passed away 3 months after my brother died of cancer in September 2005. That was the final nail...
What a lot of people don't realise is that it is just as hard for the families... I went through hell dealing with it... I was racing up and down the country as my brother was in Yorkshire, and my husband was ill in Oxford... plus trying to keep a job at the same time. I guess I'm just one of those people who can deal with things.. I just get on with it.. though my coping mechanism is OCD....
The point is.. some can and some can't. But please, please don't judge someone without knowing their story first.. at his funeral over 300 people came as he was so well loved.. he was a happy drunk.. yes there are some... I have been in the local papers and national magazines about this subject, and also on BBC news. I am not one to give advice, but can point people in the right direction, having been there, done that.
Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant.. its just something I had to get off my chest...
Please look beyond the bottle and try to understand why they do it.....
In 2005 I lost my husband. The coroner recorded the cause of death as natural but alcohol played a part in his state of health up to his death. (Though another supposed factor was the side effect of a drug he shouldn't have been prescribed...)
He used alcohol to "not feel anything" and they were his precise words. He lost his dad at 13 to cancer, then his mum at 21 to cancer, after nursing her on his own for years (no help from family) we then lost people over the next few years to various things, but the majority to cancer. When my mum died of a heart attack in 1998 that was the start of the "falldown" (another one of his words)
He lost his best friend to cancer in 2002, then another passed away suddenly, then my brother was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma. It was in 2003 when he had to leave his job as he couldn't cope without a drink. He had worked in that job for over 26 years and in that time had only taken two days off for a leg injury, even working while his mum was ill. He had never had anything off the state until that point.. and it took four months to get that sorted. He had paid into the system in that 26 years a lot of money.. so we didn't see anything wrong in asking for help now that we needed it.. though others thought differently.
They didn't think he should have anything because he was an "alkie". But before he got really bad, he used to help others with their addictions, because he understood what they were going through. Yet we had one hell of a job getting help as in Oxford only 20% of alcoholics get help, though 100% of drug addicts get it. I can't fault the people who tried though.
Like peanut said, alcoholism IS a disease, though some poo poo this. A lot of people with any sort of addiction use it to cope. My husband couldn't deal with all the loss that we had gone through, and he finally passed away 3 months after my brother died of cancer in September 2005. That was the final nail...
What a lot of people don't realise is that it is just as hard for the families... I went through hell dealing with it... I was racing up and down the country as my brother was in Yorkshire, and my husband was ill in Oxford... plus trying to keep a job at the same time. I guess I'm just one of those people who can deal with things.. I just get on with it.. though my coping mechanism is OCD....
The point is.. some can and some can't. But please, please don't judge someone without knowing their story first.. at his funeral over 300 people came as he was so well loved.. he was a happy drunk.. yes there are some... I have been in the local papers and national magazines about this subject, and also on BBC news. I am not one to give advice, but can point people in the right direction, having been there, done that.
Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant.. its just something I had to get off my chest...
Please look beyond the bottle and try to understand why they do it.....
Quote by Sara_2006
ok controvacy here ..... alcahoilics.. lose everything ... family, job etc ... go on the dole ... get extra cash for more booze... perhaps get ill from the abuse ... cost the nhs and therefore tax payers even more ..... should they be given the extra cash.
should the extra cash also go to those dependent on other substances or just the legal over the counter addictions like booze ... tabacco also an addiction but also not subsidised for people on benifits
just a thought
thats abit of a generalisation!
one of my friends was an alcoholic,yet he was a hard worker,never went sick and never sponged off anyone...the only thing he lost in the end was his life!!
what some poeple don't realise is alcoholism is a disease...it is something that will always stay with you wether you are drinking or not.
Sex God
Quote by Misskitty_2008
Some very thought provoking threads going on at the moment... this one is especially close to me.
In 2005 I lost my husband. The coroner recorded the cause of death as natural but alcohol played a part in his state of health up to his death. (Though another supposed factor was the side effect of a drug he shouldn't have been prescribed...)
He used alcohol to "not feel anything" and they were his precise words. He lost his dad at 13 to cancer, then his mum at 21 to cancer, after nursing her on his own for years (no help from family) we then lost people over the next few years to various things, but the majority to cancer. When my mum died of a heart attack in 1998 that was the start of the "falldown" (another one of his words)
He lost his best friend to cancer in 2002, then another passed away suddenly, then my brother was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma. It was in 2003 when he had to leave his job as he couldn't cope without a drink. He had worked in that job for over 26 years and in that time had only taken two days off for a leg injury, even working while his mum was ill. He had never had anything off the state until that point.. and it took four months to get that sorted. He had paid into the system in that 26 years a lot of money.. so we didn't see anything wrong in asking for help now that we needed it.. though others thought differently.
They didn't think he should have anything because he was an "alkie". But before he got really bad, he used to help others with their addictions, because he understood what they were going through. Yet we had one hell of a job getting help as in Oxford only 20% of alcoholics get help, though 100% of drug addicts get it. I can't fault the people who tried though.
Like peanut said, alcoholism IS a disease, though some poo poo this. A lot of people with any sort of addiction use it to cope. My husband couldn't deal with all the loss that we had gone through, and he finally passed away 3 months after my brother died of cancer in September 2005. That was the final nail...
What a lot of people don't realise is that it is just as hard for the families... I went through hell dealing with it... I was racing up and down the country as my brother was in Yorkshire, and my husband was ill in Oxford... plus trying to keep a job at the same time. I guess I'm just one of those people who can deal with things.. I just get on with it.. though my coping mechanism is OCD....
The point is.. some can and some can't. But please, please don't judge someone without knowing their story first.. at his funeral over 300 people came as he was so well loved.. he was a happy drunk.. yes there are some... I have been in the local papers and national magazines about this subject, and also on BBC news. I am not one to give advice, but can point people in the right direction, having been there, done that.
Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant.. its just something I had to get off my chest...
Please look beyond the bottle and try to understand why they do it.....
Well said Kitty! it needed to be said.
:thumbup:
Thanks hun... and you ACTUALLY knew him, so if some of you don't believe what it was like... bbw_lover can back me up on this....
Well said Kitty! it needed to be said.
:thumbup:
Quote by bbw_lover
Some very thought provoking threads going on at the moment... this one is especially close to me.
In 2005 I lost my husband. The coroner recorded the cause of death as natural but alcohol played a part in his state of health up to his death. (Though another supposed factor was the side effect of a drug he shouldn't have been prescribed...)
He used alcohol to "not feel anything" and they were his precise words. He lost his dad at 13 to cancer, then his mum at 21 to cancer, after nursing her on his own for years (no help from family) we then lost people over the next few years to various things, but the majority to cancer. When my mum died of a heart attack in 1998 that was the start of the "falldown" (another one of his words)
He lost his best friend to cancer in 2002, then another passed away suddenly, then my brother was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma. It was in 2003 when he had to leave his job as he couldn't cope without a drink. He had worked in that job for over 26 years and in that time had only taken two days off for a leg injury, even working while his mum was ill. He had never had anything off the state until that point.. and it took four months to get that sorted. He had paid into the system in that 26 years a lot of money.. so we didn't see anything wrong in asking for help now that we needed it.. though others thought differently.
They didn't think he should have anything because he was an "alkie". But before he got really bad, he used to help others with their addictions, because he understood what they were going through. Yet we had one hell of a job getting help as in Oxford only 20% of alcoholics get help, though 100% of drug addicts get it. I can't fault the people who tried though.
Like peanut said, alcoholism IS a disease, though some poo poo this. A lot of people with any sort of addiction use it to cope. My husband couldn't deal with all the loss that we had gone through, and he finally passed away 3 months after my brother died of cancer in September 2005. That was the final nail...
What a lot of people don't realise is that it is just as hard for the families... I went through hell dealing with it... I was racing up and down the country as my brother was in Yorkshire, and my husband was ill in Oxford... plus trying to keep a job at the same time. I guess I'm just one of those people who can deal with things.. I just get on with it.. though my coping mechanism is OCD....
The point is.. some can and some can't. But please, please don't judge someone without knowing their story first.. at his funeral over 300 people came as he was so well loved.. he was a happy drunk.. yes there are some... I have been in the local papers and national magazines about this subject, and also on BBC news. I am not one to give advice, but can point people in the right direction, having been there, done that.
Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant.. its just something I had to get off my chest...
Please look beyond the bottle and try to understand why they do it.....
Well said Kitty! it needed to be said.
:thumbup:
Quote by Misskitty_2008
Thanks hun... and you ACTUALLY knew him, so if some of you don't believe what it was like... bbw_lover can back me up on this....
Some very thought provoking threads going on at the moment... this one is especially close to me.
In 2005 I lost my husband. The coroner recorded the cause of death as natural but alcohol played a part in his state of health up to his death. (Though another supposed factor was the side effect of a drug he shouldn't have been prescribed...)
He used alcohol to "not feel anything" and they were his precise words. He lost his dad at 13 to cancer, then his mum at 21 to cancer, after nursing her on his own for years (no help from family) we then lost people over the next few years to various things, but the majority to cancer. When my mum died of a heart attack in 1998 that was the start of the "falldown" (another one of his words)
He lost his best friend to cancer in 2002, then another passed away suddenly, then my brother was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma. It was in 2003 when he had to leave his job as he couldn't cope without a drink. He had worked in that job for over 26 years and in that time had only taken two days off for a leg injury, even working while his mum was ill. He had never had anything off the state until that point.. and it took four months to get that sorted. He had paid into the system in that 26 years a lot of money.. so we didn't see anything wrong in asking for help now that we needed it.. though others thought differently.
They didn't think he should have anything because he was an "alkie". But before he got really bad, he used to help others with their addictions, because he understood what they were going through. Yet we had one hell of a job getting help as in Oxford only 20% of alcoholics get help, though 100% of drug addicts get it. I can't fault the people who tried though.
Like peanut said, alcoholism IS a disease, though some poo poo this. A lot of people with any sort of addiction use it to cope. My husband couldn't deal with all the loss that we had gone through, and he finally passed away 3 months after my brother died of cancer in September 2005. That was the final nail...
What a lot of people don't realise is that it is just as hard for the families... I went through hell dealing with it... I was racing up and down the country as my brother was in Yorkshire, and my husband was ill in Oxford... plus trying to keep a job at the same time. I guess I'm just one of those people who can deal with things.. I just get on with it.. though my coping mechanism is OCD....
The point is.. some can and some can't. But please, please don't judge someone without knowing their story first.. at his funeral over 300 people came as he was so well loved.. he was a happy drunk.. yes there are some... I have been in the local papers and national magazines about this subject, and also on BBC news. I am not one to give advice, but can point people in the right direction, having been there, done that.
Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant.. its just something I had to get off my chest...
Please look beyond the bottle and try to understand why they do it.....
Well said Kitty! it needed to be said.
:thumbup:
Miss kitty I am guilty for starting this thread but I am not sorry I raise some topics that are hard for people to discuss because I feel it better out than in.
Your story is very moving what it shows is there is love there for these people and why?
Because they are great people, you don’t have to ask another to confirm what you just said as I feel what you said is from the heart.
You are a brave lady to share that with us all.
Take care hun
Minx
xxx
Thank you minx xxxxxx that means a lot xxxx
Well said Kitty! it needed to be said.
:thumbup:
Miss kitty I am guilty for starting this thread but I am not sorry I raise some topics that are hard for people to discuss because I feel it better out than in.
Your story is very moving what it shows is there is love there for these people and why?
Because they are great people, you don’t have to ask another to confirm what you just said as I feel what you said is from the heart.
You are a brave lady to share that with us all.
Take care hun
Minx
xxx
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Thanks hun... and you ACTUALLY knew him, so if some of you don't believe what it was like... bbw_lover can back me up on this....
Some very thought provoking threads going on at the moment... this one is especially close to me.
In 2005 I lost my husband. The coroner recorded the cause of death as natural but alcohol played a part in his state of health up to his death. (Though another supposed factor was the side effect of a drug he shouldn't have been prescribed...)
He used alcohol to "not feel anything" and they were his precise words. He lost his dad at 13 to cancer, then his mum at 21 to cancer, after nursing her on his own for years (no help from family) we then lost people over the next few years to various things, but the majority to cancer. When my mum died of a heart attack in 1998 that was the start of the "falldown" (another one of his words)
He lost his best friend to cancer in 2002, then another passed away suddenly, then my brother was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma. It was in 2003 when he had to leave his job as he couldn't cope without a drink. He had worked in that job for over 26 years and in that time had only taken two days off for a leg injury, even working while his mum was ill. He had never had anything off the state until that point.. and it took four months to get that sorted. He had paid into the system in that 26 years a lot of money.. so we didn't see anything wrong in asking for help now that we needed it.. though others thought differently.
They didn't think he should have anything because he was an "alkie". But before he got really bad, he used to help others with their addictions, because he understood what they were going through. Yet we had one hell of a job getting help as in Oxford only 20% of alcoholics get help, though 100% of drug addicts get it. I can't fault the people who tried though.
Like peanut said, alcoholism IS a disease, though some poo poo this. A lot of people with any sort of addiction use it to cope. My husband couldn't deal with all the loss that we had gone through, and he finally passed away 3 months after my brother died of cancer in September 2005. That was the final nail...
What a lot of people don't realise is that it is just as hard for the families... I went through hell dealing with it... I was racing up and down the country as my brother was in Yorkshire, and my husband was ill in Oxford... plus trying to keep a job at the same time. I guess I'm just one of those people who can deal with things.. I just get on with it.. though my coping mechanism is OCD....
The point is.. some can and some can't. But please, please don't judge someone without knowing their story first.. at his funeral over 300 people came as he was so well loved.. he was a happy drunk.. yes there are some... I have been in the local papers and national magazines about this subject, and also on BBC news. I am not one to give advice, but can point people in the right direction, having been there, done that.
Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant.. its just something I had to get off my chest...
Please look beyond the bottle and try to understand why they do it.....
Well said Kitty! it needed to be said.
:thumbup:
Miss kitty I am guilty for starting this thread but I am not sorry I raise some topics that are hard for people to discuss because I feel it better out than in.
Your story is very moving what it shows is there is love there for these people and why?
Because they are great people, you don’t have to ask another to confirm what you just said as I feel what you said is from the heart.
You are a brave lady to share that with us all.
Take care hun
Minx
xxx
My husband drank because that was what he understood to be a way of was brought up in a pub, then always went for a "chill down" pint after work,every weekend he went out at lunch time. Bank holidays were spent in the pub.
He drank every night at home,we lost a business through his drinking, he did eventually lose me.
He has since died of cancer,but I am pretty sure it was a offshoot of the fact that he lived for his drink and cigarettes.
I enjoy a drink,both at home and socially, but I still cringe when I think Mollers is drinking for the sake of it and have to remind myself that he isn't anything like my ex was.
xxxxxxx
He drank every night at home,we lost a business through his drinking, he did eventually lose me.
He has since died of cancer,but I am pretty sure it was a offshoot of the fact that he lived for his drink and cigarettes.
I enjoy a drink,both at home and socially, but I still cringe when I think Mollers is drinking for the sake of it and have to remind myself that he isn't anything like my ex was.
xxxxxxx
Orgasminator
hmmm.....
I lost my father for 18years of my life which I would say were the most important bits. he died and survived 3 times and even then he tried to commit suicide because of it.
I talk to him now because he decided he wanted me in his life again, although this has caused huge problems with his current family. I have to be honest I resent him big style for deserting me, and I feel guilty in some respects for for that.
But over 30 years of drinking how can you tell whats right and wrong. I hate my father for his drinking but hes still my father and I still love him.
It is a disease and yet again I'm having to deal with it in my business partner, does not mean i care less about these people.
I'm rambling... for my dad it was a shield against being shy as oppossed the outgoingness of my mother.
For my mate its a coping /sticking head in sand mechanisim for the debt he in.
the only person that can truely help an alcoholic is themselves, and until they understand that they will always rely on alcohol to help them.
I lost my father for 18years of my life which I would say were the most important bits. he died and survived 3 times and even then he tried to commit suicide because of it.
I talk to him now because he decided he wanted me in his life again, although this has caused huge problems with his current family. I have to be honest I resent him big style for deserting me, and I feel guilty in some respects for for that.
But over 30 years of drinking how can you tell whats right and wrong. I hate my father for his drinking but hes still my father and I still love him.
It is a disease and yet again I'm having to deal with it in my business partner, does not mean i care less about these people.
I'm rambling... for my dad it was a shield against being shy as oppossed the outgoingness of my mother.
For my mate its a coping /sticking head in sand mechanisim for the debt he in.
the only person that can truely help an alcoholic is themselves, and until they understand that they will always rely on alcohol to help them.
My own personal experience is that alcoholism allows an out of control person to control others around them through fear.
Unfortunately, not all are 'happy drunks' and it's hard to look beyond the bottle when you're taken yet another beating, and the person concerned refuses to accept they have a problem with drink.
However, as a footnote, I found the strength to leave that relationship - not easy when you're devoid of any self esteem or confidence and it took several years to actually do it.
Mrs 777 xxxxxxxxxx
Unfortunately, not all are 'happy drunks' and it's hard to look beyond the bottle when you're taken yet another beating, and the person concerned refuses to accept they have a problem with drink.
However, as a footnote, I found the strength to leave that relationship - not easy when you're devoid of any self esteem or confidence and it took several years to actually do it.
Mrs 777 xxxxxxxxxx
If alchohol came out onto the market in last 10 years would it still be legal. When you consider how many hours are lost in industry,how many lives are affected by it,how many people die due to booze, the government would surely ban it. the drink industry has such a massive lobby its not likely.
I am often amazed to hear people moaning about druggies whilst whilst clutching a glass of scotch and puffing away on a ciggy.
Noam Chomsky said the war on drugs should be called the war on some drugs.
As far as alchohol addiction is concerned my own experience of alchohlism is that it is a sympton not a disease in itself,infact it prevents the addict from discovering the disease that lies within.
I am often amazed to hear people moaning about druggies whilst whilst clutching a glass of scotch and puffing away on a ciggy.
Noam Chomsky said the war on drugs should be called the war on some drugs.
As far as alchohol addiction is concerned my own experience of alchohlism is that it is a sympton not a disease in itself,infact it prevents the addict from discovering the disease that lies within.
