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Is there difference between working class and middle class?

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Quote by Staggerlee
sooooooooooo much i'd like to say on class I don't know where to begin .....so I won't...other than I am working class and proud of it...my definition the working classes are of value and keep the world working, the middle classes are parasites and produce nothing.

I don't 'produce' anything in my job. Am I a parasite?
Just because you identify with one class, it doesn't make the human beings you put in the other classes worthless. That is a really rude and arrogant attitude.
Does anyone believe we/you/I can actually 'change' our class?
as in,migrate from working to middle class?
that is of course,if you believe in 'class'in the first instance?
Or might it be a 'generational' migration... the working class family works hard, puts a child through school college/uni... children, brought up in a more comfortable (traditionaly) background, have become, by dint of the work of others; Middle Class.
Me?
w/c
lp
Quote by foxylady2209
There are many ways to divide society but someone who qualifies for a group on, say, income, may not qualify by, say, education.
I could create groups based on finances such as:
1. Housing and income dependent on the state.
2. Housing rented with earned income supplemented by the state.
3. Housing rented with no state support.
4. Housing mortgaged with no state support.
5. Housing paid for with no state support.
6. Housing paid for, fixed income from pensions.
A person's educational background may affect this, but it doesn't dictate it. To be honest, long-term health probably has more effect on the the financial status you end up in.
What annoys me is that people (not on here) are using the term "working class" as a term of abuse and applying it - totally incorrectly - to the group of people on long-term and generational benefits.
And what am I? Not sure, I have a degree and work in a blue-chip company using that degree - doesn't that make me a member of the professional class?
I have a mortgage on a 4 bed house - does that make me middle-class?
I HAVE zero savings and have to work full time in order to pay my mortgage/bills etc and if I lose my job I lose my home, I reckon that makes me working class.
When it comes down to it, artificial divisions are there purely to make life easier for the statisticians. They shouldn't EVER be used to judge a person's worth as a human being.
Oh dear, I am ranting tonight.

:thumbup:
Quote by Staggerlee
sooooooooooo much i'd like to say on class I don't know where to begin .....so I won't...other than I am working class and proud of it...my definition the working classes are of value and keep the world working, the middle classes are parasites and produce nothing.

:shock:
I also produce nothing - but I work damned hard at what I do - I'm actually working on paperwork now after being in work today, and do so most nights!
As for what "class" people are - I couldn't give a damn. We're all human beings.
Quote by __random_orbit__
Does anyone believe we/you/I can actually 'change' our class?
as in,migrate from working to middle class?
that is of course,if you believe in 'class'in the first instance?
Or might it be a 'generational' migration... the working class family works hard, puts a child through school college/uni... children, brought up in a more comfortable (traditionaly) background, have become, by dint of the work of others; Middle Class.
Me?
w/c
lp

You're a toilet?
Oh very dear. confused
Quote by winchwench
Does anyone believe we/you/I can actually 'change' our class?
as in,migrate from working to middle class?
that is of course,if you believe in 'class'in the first instance?
Or might it be a 'generational' migration... the working class family works hard, puts a child through school college/uni... children, brought up in a more comfortable (traditionaly) background, have become, by dint of the work of others; Middle Class.
Me?
w/c
lp

You're a toilet?
Oh very dear. confused
carefull now
My background negates rational arguement and debate.
I may potentially be prone to outbursts of defencive verbal abuse... escualting to agressive physical gestures if my boundaries continue to be pushed.
My lack of inter-personal skills due to lack of education and having had no role models, or goals to which I aspire, no balanced opinion nor accepting nature developed through interaction with others of a highly developed nature... leave me a danger. Both to myself, and others.
I may, heaven forbid... spit
lp
Spitoon is thataway, cowboy! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
:giggle:
... and remember to put my seat down when finished
lp
reminds me of an old TV sketch by the TWO RONNIES, featuring John Cleese as the Upper Class person, Ronnie Barker as middle class, and Ronnie Corbett as working (or lower) class.. classic sketch biggrin Youw would have thought that in a modern, reasonably well educated and balanced society that the class system which defined most societies would have died out by now.. however, even in the US where everyone is supposed to be "equal" the class system is still alive and kicking, though now largely defined in most countries by material wealth, etc..
Quote by aalwaps
reminds me of an old TV sketch by the TWO RONNIES, featuring John Cleese as the Upper Class person, Ronnie Barker as middle class, and Ronnie Corbett as working (or lower) class.. classic sketch biggrin

The one that was quoted earlier in this thread, you mean?
Quote by Whipsnspurs
i've thought quite alot about this post. been on it serveral times and not posted.
i think these days that class as far as it was viewed is dead. only because people can start with nothing, train and gain everything they want. they can also win the lottery and never need to work again. however, materialist objects do not dictate class as it once did.
you can have a person with nothing who has far more class about them than someone with lots of money. but then you also have the lout who has no class what so ever.
to me these days class is about manners, curtousey and decorum (sp). i work for a living but have far more class than alot of people who don't need to.
i think it's more about the person you choose to be than what you do for a living.
whips

Spot on.
I heard this somewhere - can't for the life of me remember where.
"Your quality as a person is defined by how you treat others, NOT by how others treat you."
If you treat people well, you have 'class'. If you treat people badly you don't. Simple.
I never questioned how hard people work,I merely wondered about the true value of that root of any economy/society is what it produces,the harridan Thatcher failed to recognise this and we all paid and are paying the price.
The media and political classes of our country have since then derided and belittled the working classes,when once we were the salt of the earth we are now all chavs ,poorly educated lager louts and scum.
So when you tell me about your paperwork in such an affronted manner consider that everyday in some paper or news report me and mine are insulted and mocked,I am offended I am angry and I have no compunction about repaying this in kind.
I repeat (with a caveat) the middle classes are and have been historically parasites,their livings are earned on the sweat of another mans brow....caveat I would exclude to a large extent though not entirely the medical and teaching proffesions
Technically to be "working class", you have to "work" to live.
Therefore, EVERYONE who has to work to pay their bills is working class including Doctors, Solicitors, Judges, Brain surgeons etc etc! kiss
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by Staggerlee
I never questioned how hard people work,I merely wondered about the true value of that root of any economy/society is what it produces,the harridan Thatcher failed to recognise this and we all paid and are paying the price.
The media and political classes of our country have since then derided and belittled the working classes,when once we were the salt of the earth we are now all chavs ,poorly educated lager louts and scum.
So when you tell me about your paperwork in such an affronted manner consider that everyday in some paper or news report me and mine are insulted and mocked,I am offended I am angry and I have no compunction about repaying this in kind.
I repeat (with a caveat) the middle classes are and have been historically parasites,their livings are earned on the sweat of another mans brow....caveat I would exclude to a large extent though not entirely the medical and teaching proffesions

For which, I am sure, the aforementioned professions are eternally grateful.
But you accuse every person not getting their hands dirty of insulting and mocking those who do. I (and I've no doubt the majority of the other 'paper-pushers' you call parasites) have no more input to those papers than you do. I have the highest opinion of anyone who holds down a job in these times. And I despise both the habitual scroungers - whether they scrounge benefits or Daddy's millions.
Btw - I spent 8 years designing jet engines for the fitters to build - I reckon we were a partnership in getting the job done and the product sold. So, yes, just a paper-pusher, but a damned useful one!!
well.... I consider, and carry with me, the label Working Class... as born and toiled under by my forebares.
I have no shame in the label, and see it as a badge that, should I wish, I wear with pride.
I have 'produced' goods and material in the past... have wiped sweat from my brow... fetched and carried for them wat can afford the priveledge.
At present I 'produce' not a good god damned thing... and yet the work I do I personaly value more than any single thing I have done in the past, or will do in the future.
Many aspects of this work would be touched others... messy, horrid stuff... bleaurgh.
I am, and remain Lady's and Gentlemen, Your Humble Servant.
now then... tea break?
lp
Quote by Staggerlee
I never questioned how hard people work,I merely wondered about the true value of that root of any economy/society is what it produces,the harridan Thatcher failed to recognise this and we all paid and are paying the price.
The media and political classes of our country have since then derided and belittled the working classes,when once we were the salt of the earth we are now all chavs ,poorly educated lager louts and scum.
So when you tell me about your paperwork in such an affronted manner consider that everyday in some paper or news report me and mine are insulted and mocked,I am offended I am angry and I have no compunction about repaying this in kind.
I repeat (with a caveat) the middle classes are and have been historically parasites,their livings are earned on the sweat of another mans brow....caveat I would exclude to a large extent though not entirely the medical and teaching proffesions

I was "affronted" because of your extremely insulting statement that people who don't produce anything are parasites! mad
Quote by Cherrytree
I never questioned how hard people work,I merely wondered about the true value of that root of any economy/society is what it produces,the harridan Thatcher failed to recognise this and we all paid and are paying the price.
The media and political classes of our country have since then derided and belittled the working classes,when once we were the salt of the earth we are now all chavs ,poorly educated lager louts and scum.
So when you tell me about your paperwork in such an affronted manner consider that everyday in some paper or news report me and mine are insulted and mocked,I am offended I am angry and I have no compunction about repaying this in kind.
I repeat (with a caveat) the middle classes are and have been historically parasites,their livings are earned on the sweat of another mans brow....caveat I would exclude to a large extent though not entirely the medical and teaching proffesions

I was "affronted" because of your extremely insulting statement that people who don't produce anything are parasites! mad
Me too. VERY. :x
Quote by Whipsnspurs
coffee please!
whips
ooo, posh!
lp
Quote by __random_orbit__
coffee please!
whips
ooo, posh!
lp
No, "posh" would have been "skinny latte please!" :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In edit - original post deleted.
Do you know what? Feck it. It's not worth getting wound up over this.
Quote by blonde
coffee please!
whips
ooo, posh!
lp
No, "posh" would have been "skinny latte please!" :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

that aint posh... that be Royalty
lp
Quote by Cherrytree
In edit - original post deleted.
Do you know what? Feck it. It's not worth getting wound up over this.

smackbottom
You've been & gone & given me an urge for gravy though now, woman! :dry:
Lemmy had it right
'eat the rich'
class war.... good grief what on earth am I on about?
lp
Quote by __random_orbit__
Lemmy had it right
'eat the rich'
class war.... good grief what on earth am I on about?
lp

No, dont eat them .........
1. use them to insulate your homes
2. put them at the "tap end" of the bath (use less water)
3. put them on the fire in winter
4. make them walk the dogs or do the gardening
5. put them at the front of the tandem
Sam (the green girlie in the corner) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by __random_orbit__
Lemmy had it right
'eat the rich'
class war.... good grief what on earth am I on about?
lp

With gravy? :bounce:
Quote by winchwench
Lemmy had it right
'eat the rich'
class war.... good grief what on earth am I on about?
lp

With gravy? :bounce:
No, with a lovely little Balsamic vinegar dressing and a darling little rocket salad.
Damn - have I outed myself as an aristo? Nah, they'll never notice.
Quote by foxylady

With gravy? :bounce:

No, with a lovely little Balsamic vinegar dressing and a darling little rocket salad.
Damn - have I outed myself as an aristo? Nah, they'll never notice.
Darling, rocket is so last year ......... try Avondefiance lettuce it's abfab! kiss
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have it! The definitive, erm, definition.
Working classes have gravy
Middle classes have sauce!
:smug:
Working class fart, middle class break wind biggrin