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Is there difference between working class and middle class?
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Is there other schools other than Eton & Harrow? I guess there is Roedean too, but thats only for girls....Oh i guess your on about state schools :shock: Those schools really are they worth mentioning. After all they are just there to occupy the lower classes.
Thank you for a delightful half an hour, I have really enjoyed this thread. I recall my father being promoted to foreman and returning home slightly sozzled. As mother roasted a figgin over the open grate he entertained us with the story of how he left the managers office that day resplendent in a brand new cow gown (A long lab coat style of thing but in brown). As he walked down the length of the factory it was to the sound of 5000 colleagues singing a lusty refrain to the tune of the Red Flag (Tannenbaum if u r middle class and edumacated)
"The working class can kiss my arse----Ive got the foremans job at last"
"The working class can kiss my arse----Ive got the foremans job at last"
I have never understood class, to me it is about a mind set, I meet people I see a person and never judge on their fortune or what they have achieved in life.
We either connect or we don’t I have people I socialise with from all walks of life from rich or poor and the reason we get on because we accept each other for being who we are just normal people.
I have often said to my hubby I don’t care for people that judge me for what I have, I like people that judge me for who I am, and if they don’t like me for that, then they are not people I would like to know.
We either connect or we don’t I have people I socialise with from all walks of life from rich or poor and the reason we get on because we accept each other for being who we are just normal people.
I have often said to my hubby I don’t care for people that judge me for what I have, I like people that judge me for who I am, and if they don’t like me for that, then they are not people I would like to know.
Quote by browning
Middle class are happy about it,
working class don't stop moaning about it!!
Au contraire, it's the opposite in my experience. The middle classes seem to be always trying to get higher up the class scale, whereas the working classes seem happy as they are. The complaining they do has nothing to do with their class status.
a little word about Class, and how one may be 'precieved' in relation to class.... if I may?
(now then, I'm sure I've spouted this nonsence elsewhere before, so please excuse.)
Perception:
As a bright and shining star :cough: in the design world a good many years ago I found myself mixing with a number of what I would have thought were generally Middle Class Folk.. they indeed had the good education and it showed... inteligence tempered with a balanced and full educational experince, bright people, worthy of thier jobs, and they certainly seemed to be doing them well.
I, however, am working class... though have to admit to having had a good education, the scholls I attended werent particular horrors, and I escaped with a qualification or two... I left scholl at the earliest opportunity though, to attend a college that basically wouldhave given me a 'vocational' quali in an art/design based trade where I'd be lucky enough in the end to draw pictures for a living... all good.
I was the first, certainly in one half of the old family line to have attended college, and almost felt a level of guilt for having done so, but hey... twas ok with the parents, twas okay with me. I knuckled down and stayed the course, eventually to find myself a little place in the world that was. All Jolly Good.
and i was indeed rather good at what I did.
but:
The 'class' differnces became apparent through day to day interaction with my peers, conversation... lunches down the pub, that sort of thing.
I never had what could have been targeted or pinpointed as a working class accent, mainly due to the fact that my parents had moved a couple oftimes in my childhood where accents had varied, and mine, as a consequence had become an amalgumation... not veering in any particular direction for either geographical, or class status. So that never gave me away.
It was 'life experience' that seperated and exposed me from those people.. I simply hadnt done the same things in my childhood as they had... hadnt owned, played with, or holidayed in the same way.
Now then, as I say, this wasa few years ago... the next generation may experience things differently, but many/some of those middle class people, as the penny dropped and they realised I was not one of them, withdrew and truely appeared to view me as an 'other'.. someone who should not really be amongst them. There was no out and out finger pointing, or face to face challenges, but the rift/baracade became apparent.
not nice.
also, in all of the above, I speakof people who were 'born' to thier class, or social-set... not aware of how things may differ through 'moving up through the ranks' as it were... but only becoming aware of the real differences as they are exposed to them.
There's an education, right there!
and, for the record, this was echoed exactly by other in the same circumstance,female this time, but as above, a working class person, finding themselves in a middle class environment.
ofcourse this is not being presented as a record of the way things may be everywhere... but it is a small example of my life experience.
what what?
lp
(now then, I'm sure I've spouted this nonsence elsewhere before, so please excuse.)
Perception:
As a bright and shining star :cough: in the design world a good many years ago I found myself mixing with a number of what I would have thought were generally Middle Class Folk.. they indeed had the good education and it showed... inteligence tempered with a balanced and full educational experince, bright people, worthy of thier jobs, and they certainly seemed to be doing them well.
I, however, am working class... though have to admit to having had a good education, the scholls I attended werent particular horrors, and I escaped with a qualification or two... I left scholl at the earliest opportunity though, to attend a college that basically wouldhave given me a 'vocational' quali in an art/design based trade where I'd be lucky enough in the end to draw pictures for a living... all good.
I was the first, certainly in one half of the old family line to have attended college, and almost felt a level of guilt for having done so, but hey... twas ok with the parents, twas okay with me. I knuckled down and stayed the course, eventually to find myself a little place in the world that was. All Jolly Good.
and i was indeed rather good at what I did.
but:
The 'class' differnces became apparent through day to day interaction with my peers, conversation... lunches down the pub, that sort of thing.
I never had what could have been targeted or pinpointed as a working class accent, mainly due to the fact that my parents had moved a couple oftimes in my childhood where accents had varied, and mine, as a consequence had become an amalgumation... not veering in any particular direction for either geographical, or class status. So that never gave me away.
It was 'life experience' that seperated and exposed me from those people.. I simply hadnt done the same things in my childhood as they had... hadnt owned, played with, or holidayed in the same way.
Now then, as I say, this wasa few years ago... the next generation may experience things differently, but many/some of those middle class people, as the penny dropped and they realised I was not one of them, withdrew and truely appeared to view me as an 'other'.. someone who should not really be amongst them. There was no out and out finger pointing, or face to face challenges, but the rift/baracade became apparent.
not nice.
also, in all of the above, I speakof people who were 'born' to thier class, or social-set... not aware of how things may differ through 'moving up through the ranks' as it were... but only becoming aware of the real differences as they are exposed to them.
There's an education, right there!
and, for the record, this was echoed exactly by other in the same circumstance,female this time, but as above, a working class person, finding themselves in a middle class environment.
ofcourse this is not being presented as a record of the way things may be everywhere... but it is a small example of my life experience.
what what?
lp
Quote by __random_orbit__
Perception:
As a bright and shining star :cough: in the design world a good many years ago I found myself mixing with a number of what I would have thought were generally Middle Class Folk.. they indeed had the good education and it showed... inteligence tempered with a balanced and full educational experince, bright people, worthy of thier jobs, and they certainly seemed to be doing them well.
I, however, am working class... though have to admit to having had a good education, the scholls I attended werent particular horrors, and I escaped with a qualification or two... I left scholl at the earliest opportunity though, to attend a college that basically wouldhave given me a 'vocational' quali in an art/design based trade where I'd be lucky enough in the end to draw pictures for a living... all good.
It wouldn't have been designing footwear would it? :twisted:
Sorry, but couldn't resist the typos :twisted:
Quote by __random_orbit__
a little word about Class, and how one may be 'precieved' in relation to class.... if I may?
(now then, I'm sure I've spouted this nonsence elsewhere before, so please excuse.)
Perception:
As a bright and shining star :cough: in the design world a good many years ago I found myself mixing with a number of what I would have thought were generally Middle Class Folk.. they indeed had the good education and it showed... inteligence tempered with a balanced and full educational experince, bright people, worthy of thier jobs, and they certainly seemed to be doing them well.
I, however, am working class... though have to admit to having had a good education, the scholls I attended werent particular horrors, and I escaped with a qualification or two... I left scholl at the earliest opportunity though, to attend a college that basically wouldhave given me a 'vocational' quali in an art/design based trade where I'd be lucky enough in the end to draw pictures for a living... all good.
I was the first, certainly in one half of the old family line to have attended college, and almost felt a level of guilt for having done so, but hey... twas ok with the parents, twas okay with me. I knuckled down and stayed the course, eventually to find myself a little place in the world that was. All Jolly Good.
and i was indeed rather good at what I did.
but:
The 'class' differnces became apparent through day to day interaction with my peers, conversation... lunches down the pub, that sort of thing.
I never had what could have been targeted or pinpointed as a working class accent, mainly due to the fact that my parents had moved a couple oftimes in my childhood where accents had varied, and mine, as a consequence had become an amalgumation... not veering in any particular direction for either geographical, or class status. So that never gave me away.
It was 'life experience' that seperated and exposed me from those people.. I simply hadnt done the same things in my childhood as they had... hadnt owned, played with, or holidayed in the same way.
Now then, as I say, this wasa few years ago... the next generation may experience things differently, but many/some of those middle class people, as the penny dropped and they realised I was not one of them, withdrew and truely appeared to view me as an 'other'.. someone who should not really be amongst them. There was no out and out finger pointing, or face to face challenges, but the rift/baracade became apparent.
not nice.
also, in all of the above, I speakof people who were 'born' to thier class, or social-set... not aware of how things may differ through 'moving up through the ranks' as it were... but only becoming aware of the real differences as they are exposed to them.
There's an education, right there!
and, for the record, this was echoed exactly by other in the same circumstance,female this time, but as above, a working class person, finding themselves in a middle class environment.
ofcourse this is not being presented as a record of the way things may be everywhere... but it is a small example of my life experience.
what what?
lp
Great post lp
I can relate to your post, as I am a working class girl.
I always wonder on meeting people like you have and I have done if it is them feeling superior or me feeling inferior on lives experiences.
I always come back to the feeling of we are all human beings, we all came here though the same door and we leave the same way. We can't choosy what door we enter from and shouldn't be judged on that alone.
Some people are accepting, others are not, the ones that dont accept I just feel they may of had better expierances but I have had a better education.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
stuff
what what?
lp
Great post lp
I can relate to your post, as I am a working class girl.
I always wonder on meeting people like you have and I have done if it is them feeling superior or me feeling inferior on lives experiences.
I always come back to the feeling of we are all human beings, we all came here though the same door and we leave the same way. We can't choosy what door we enter from and shouldn't be judged on that alone.
Some people are accepting, others are not, the ones that dont accept I just feel they may of had better expierances but I have had a better education.
oh yes indeed... and dont get me wrong.. this is not intended as a dig at either class, nor the individuals I came across.
the flip-side to the above stuff was a few years later still when I was working a labourer on 'the buildings' and the 'accent' divission-thing was again apparent. The workers and contractors on the site, whom might generally have been described as working class appeared initially wary of me... though as above also, the conversations etc that we all had closed the gap and I found myself accepted.
this business of acceptance or seperation in both of the above, were not least due to my own feelings of 'self' and 'station', 'worthiness' and the like.
eat the rich.
lp
Quote by fem_4_taboo
cant remember exactly what i was watching,but someone commented to a young girl who was on benefits, what class did she consider herself to be, she replied middle class, where by he said surely your working class, she said no i dont work do i
xx fem xx
ha ha ha thats the Prescott prog.,she was in croydon
we live in one of the richest countries of the world!
We have the NHS and many social benefits to hand.
Whether we are upper class or working class shouldn't really matter. Take a look at the rest of the world and the poverty that people live in. They have no class and no interest in it either!
They're only interest is survival and millions don't acheive this.
How lucky we are to be able to discuss class!!!!
Our ignorance to these facts gives us no class at all, every man should help his fellow man, there's enough of everything on this planet to feed and provide good health for all!!
We have the NHS and many social benefits to hand.
Whether we are upper class or working class shouldn't really matter. Take a look at the rest of the world and the poverty that people live in. They have no class and no interest in it either!
They're only interest is survival and millions don't acheive this.
How lucky we are to be able to discuss class!!!!
Our ignorance to these facts gives us no class at all, every man should help his fellow man, there's enough of everything on this planet to feed and provide good health for all!!
Quote by Sxygent
we live in one of the richest countries of the world!
We have the NHS and many social benefits to hand.
Whether we are upper class or working class shouldn't really matter. Take a look at the rest of the world and the poverty that people live in. They have no class and no interest in it either!
They're only interest is survival and millions don't acheive this.
How lucky we are to be able to discuss class!!!!
Our ignorance to these facts gives us no class at all, every man should help his fellow man, there's enough of everything on this planet to feed and provide good health for all!!
Quote by Sxygent
we live in one of the richest countries of the world!
We have the NHS and many social benefits to hand.
Whether we are upper class or working class shouldn't really matter. Take a look at the rest of the world and the poverty that people live in. They have no class and no interest in it either!
They're only interest is survival and millions don't acheive this.
How lucky we are to be able to discuss class!!!!
Our ignorance to these facts gives us no class at all, every man should help his fellow man, there's enough of everything on this planet to feed and provide good health for all!!
Great thought provoking post and so true!
I feel I know where you are coming from here and I agree with all that you have said.
I would only disagree with the part I have highlighted as of course there is class I know the people that live in poverty are out for survival but there are many rich living in such country’s you only have to look at the corrupt governments to see that.
Sex God
OK so I missed the start of this, but here is my two pence.
Working classdo all the work, labour, cannon fodder in wars, that kind of thing.Middle classmove things around between others and take a profit.
Upper classenjoy themselves and live off investments.
Working classdo all the work, labour, cannon fodder in wars, that kind of thing.Middle classmove things around between others and take a profit.
Upper classenjoy themselves and live off investments.
