Is this joke sick, or is it just me?

20 Jan 2005

Quote by Ice Pie
Now why didn`t I see you coming

Because you had your eyes closed so it didn't sting ?
Bev
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This joke is offensive to people who have been blinded by cum. (Unless they're white people, in which case no problem, they're fair game.) :P
Sorry pie,not biting.
Made my point.
Lb :love:

20 Jan 2005

I see both LB`s and Ice`s point. It is quite possible to make a `racist/blonde/mentalhealth/sexist` joke without having any inclination of being prejudiced at all, for exactly the reasons Ice states. However, there will always be some bugger who will pick up on this and use it as an excuse to be prejudiced, and use the joke out of context. The question is, who takes responsibilty for this? Should it be the person who cracks the joke knowing it can be the used out of context, or the person who uses it out of context?
Venusxxx

20 Jan 2005

Quote by Lazeeboy
Sorry pie,not biting.
Made my point.
Lb :love:

So have I. smile

20 Jan 2005

So have I.

Gimme a kiss then wink

Bev
xx

20 Jan 2005

Quote by VenusnMars
I see both LB`s and Ice`s point. It is quite possible to make a `racist/blonde/mentalhealth/sexist` joke without having any inclination of being prejudiced at all, for exactly the reasons Ice states. However, there will always be some bugger who will pick up on this and use it as an excuse to be prejudice, and use the joke out of context. The question is, who takes responsibilty for this? Should it be the person who cracks the joke knowing it can be the used out of context, or the person who uses it out of context?
Venusxxx

Neither. It's up to the listener to make of it what he or she will. I'm not going to develop a prejudice just because someone tells me a joke. I'll find it funny or not funny depending on my own character. The character of the person telling me the joke won't change that.

20 Jan 2005

Quote by VenusnMars
I see both LB`s and Ice`s point. It is quite possible to make a `racist/blonde/mentalhealth/sexist` joke without having any inclination of being prejudiced at all, for exactly the reasons Ice states. However, there will always be some bugger who will pick up on this and use it as an excuse to be prejudice, and use the joke out of context. The question is, who takes responsibilty for this? Should it be the person who cracks the joke knowing it can be the used out of context, or the person who uses it out of context?
Venusxxx

I sort of agree with you. Although a joke like that can't really be taken out of context. It really is a rude, nasty use the term joke very loosely confused

....It more making fun from someones misfortune. My personal opinion is that if you hear a joke and think thats funny but hey its sick, then the chances are it IS sick and will offend people. I dont think its being prejudice its just personal opion. Everyone has one and they differ greatly so really people will never agree on whats funny and what isn't. Peoples life experiance's make a difference and someone who would have found it funny but were then caught up in it I would imagine would now have a very different attitude and outlook on life.
Not sue if I'm making sense, but baseing my post on my own life experiance.

20 Jan 2005

it's now time for me to say something,
although i do not aprove of this sort of humour, for some it is a way of handling thier grief/shock of what has happened, i have two examples
1/ my gran always joked during the blitz (no i was not there, but have heard many stories from others) that there was always a bomb with your name on it, and that she lived next door to mr and mrs doodlebug. this could be deemed offensive to those who were bombed out or lost loved ones, but it was the way things were handled in the east end of london at the time.
2/ at my fathers funeral, his brother made a speech. it was nothing but one long joke at my fathers expense, but everyone was in stitches, some of the humour was close to the knuckle, but it was taken in good faith for what it was, it lightened what could have been the worst day of my life, into something i will remember always, and it will bring a smile as well as a tear.
so what am i saying....people handle things in different ways, if it offends--ignore it, if someone has nothing constructive to say---ignore them.
rather much like this post.
well thats enough from me...i'm now going to go off and ignore myself for the next hour

20 Jan 2005

Quote by northwest-cpl
This joke has just been told in the chat room and when a couple of people said it was offensive the teller was defended by several of the regulars in there.
" santa flying over thailand on christmas eve, he looks down and sees all the people waiting for him,,, he turns to his head elf and says,,, im just so tired what am i going to give all those people for christmas, the elf thinks about it and says,,,,, dont worry santa, just give them a wave that will be enough !!!!!!! Bad i know
gets ready for the abuse !!! "
The joke seemed bad enough, but some people's defence of it on the grounds of "humour" seemed even worse.
Is it me????

D'you know what, Mr Naughty's "best mate" comes down every weekend with even more sick jokes about what happened to the poor buggers in Asia!!!!! I'm kinda getting fed up with it now coz I bet they wouldnt be makin jokes up if it were to happen to us!!!!! :censored:

20 Jan 2005

I too can think of many examples where people themselves make up/or join in with `incorrect jokes about thier position in life......I believe I wrote a fairly lengthy one about myself not too long ago. It would have been a dead thread if people hadn`t have joined in, and I was ok with it because it was a joke, but god help anyone who ever tries to seriously treat me as a second class citizen because of a joke, or my roots.
Venusxxx

20 Jan 2005

Quote by VenusnMars
or my roots.
Venusxxx

which are dyed may i add
(<<<<<<sits back and waits for the torrent of abuse)

20 Jan 2005

Quote by Ice Pie
Neither. It's up to the listener to make of it what he or she will. I'm not going to develop a prejudice just because someone tells me a joke. I'll find it funny or not funny depending on my own character. The character of the person telling me the joke won't change that.

Neither would I Ice, but others would, and yet still others would prefer we take a little responsibilty for this, refraining from making the jokes at all seems like a small part to play in the long term. However, my stance is that if someone is going to be prejudiced, then they would find some other outlet regardless, and it`s impossible to head off every butterfly effect in life. I have enough causes to be getting on with!
Venusxxx

20 Jan 2005

Quote by teppic
or my roots.
Venusxxx

which are dyed may i add
(<<<<<<sits back and waits for the torrent of abuse)
RUN!!! mad

:x :x

Venusxxx

20 Jan 2005

Quote by VenusnMars
or my roots.
Venusxxx

which are dyed may i add
(<<<<<<sits back and waits for the torrent of abuse)
RUN!!! mad

:x :x

Venusxxx
oooooooooooooh dear. smackbottom

that was nasty

20 Jan 2005

run from you...never wink

<<<<sits and waits to be caught....<<<<<needs a good

:smackbottom:

20 Jan 2005

I'll tell you a sick joke!! Whats sick is that I went all the way to australia to get some decent surfing in for xmas, only to find out all the best waves were in thailand!!
Then, when I entered the gold coast surfing contest, a bloody indonesion and a wardrobe won it!!Dam n blast, at least a was home intime for tea n medals.
Matron!! Bring me my batternburg cake!!

20 Jan 2005

All,
Yet another interesting post. Lots of comments, opinions and diverse views. What is apparent to me is the link between those who have felt a deep link with the disaster and those who haven't. I personally found the joke funny, and yes, i did laugh. I laughed at the thougt of Santa and his Elves giving them a wave. This doesn't make me an unsympathetic or an unemotional individual, nor am i sick. The tears have tripped down my cheeks seeing the plight, the misery and the sheer devastation of this disaster. But, this was the times when i could see and relate to the situation on an emotional level. On an emotional level, the tragedy affects my soul, and i can empathise with the horrors on that emotional level.
Bringing it back to purely mind/physical the thought of Santa Claus, (a fictisious character) with his elves having this discussion is funny to me, as were the other *sick* jokes. To me, its the difference between identifying with the situation on an emotional level or a mind/physical level.
This is my way of thinking with all humour. The twin towers, Diana, race, ethnicity etc. It either emotional and you get pulled into being offended, or it isn't emotional, and you can see the quite ridiculous scenario's of the joke themselves.
I will not claim that at times, i do not find something to be offensive. But, i have learned, that at these times, i am in some way in my real life, in an emotional attachment or am directly emtionally involved. For example - both my kids have dyslexia. These jokes were for a time, offensive to me, until i looked at why i found them offensive in the first place. They were offensive, since i was, as part of human nature, looking at the person with dyslexia as one of my own two. The joke itself had the immediate impact of being personal to me, when in fact, in never was meant to, or intended as such.
This becomes apparent when i then would go into a huge big schpeel about how offended i was, and how that joke just wasn't funny. Without exception, the people telling the joke, apologised for the non intended offense ! Which made me think, if they weren't being intentionally offensive in the first place, then perhaps it was me who took on board the non intended, as an offensive joke.
Therefor, if anyone is still with me, being offended by someone is not logical. Our offense is somehting which is harboured deeper within ourselves and is an emotional part of us. I can recall a similar discussion when i went a bit mad at the fact that people found it amusing to laugh at my Heritage. It was personal, and it was emotional. What i learned from that experience, is that when someone is feeling in some way different, in any situation in life, a simple joke, laugh, and leave the joking, is probably the most appropriate way to behave. The same sort of parallels apply here with humour. This is of course only going to work if we as individuals see ourselves being pulled into the emotional offense in the first place.
Now, if i am being offended in some way, it no longer is fun, I am no longer enjoying myself, i simply remove myself from the situation, and make no apologies for it. I am offended in some way, and will only learn if i work out why.
Lots of love, hugs and kisses
Little
XXX
The above is a personal expression and in no way is meant or intended to cause offense. wink

20 Jan 2005

Quote by VenusnMars

Neither. It's up to the listener to make of it what he or she will. I'm not going to develop a prejudice just because someone tells me a joke. I'll find it funny or not funny depending on my own character. The character of the person telling me the joke won't change that.

Neither would I Ice, but others would.
Well that's where we differ Venus. I would concede that someone's existing viewpoints can be supported and encouraged by malicious humour, but I don't believe they can be caused by it.

20 Jan 2005

I'll tell you a sick joke!! Whats sick is that I went all the way to australia to get some decent surfing in for xmas, only to find out all the best waves were in thailand!!
Then, when I entered the gold coast surfing contest, a bloody indonesion and a wardrobe won it!!Dam n blast, at least a was home intime for tea n medals.

Did you read the first post in this thread?
Bev

20 Jan 2005

Quote by freckledbird
I'll tell you a sick joke!! Whats sick is that I went all the way to australia to get some decent surfing in for xmas, only to find out all the best waves were in thailand!!
Then, when I entered the gold coast surfing contest, a bloody indonesion and a wardrobe won it!!Dam n blast, at least a was home intime for tea n medals.

Did you read the first post in this thread?
Bev
me thinks someone might think this is for cracking these sick jokes!

20 Jan 2005

Quote by Ice Pie
Well that's where we differ Venus. I would concede that someone's existing viewpoints can be supported and encouraged by malicious humour, but I don't believe they can be caused by it.

You may very well be right Ice, but if this point was taken as far as examples mob mentality, and persecution in war etc, then a huge subject comes into the equation which I`m quite happy to admit I don`t know enough about.......although that statement alone recognises that there are an inumerable (sp?) amount of factors involved!
You may rest your case, thankyou kiss

Venusxxx

20 Jan 2005

Quote by VenusnMars
You may rest your case

May I also lay my hat? ;)

20 Jan 2005

Quote by Ice Pie
You may rest your case

May I also lay my hat? ;)
Well you could.....don`t really give a shit. I wasn`t thinking in terms of you laying your hat. :P
Venusxxx