I don’t have any problems whatsoever with whomever it may be practising whatever religion they choose to believe in as long as they’re not breaking any laws. They have the absolute freedom to do so and long may that freedom of choice continue. BUT..........................
It’s about time the normally silent masses of atheists in this world were represented by a big enough body to have a say and have their points of view heard.
We don’t want religious wars, we don’t believe in them. We don’t want the persecution of a particular group of people due to their religious beliefs because whatever they believe in doesn’t matter to us.
What does matter to us is that all you extremely religious types out there are making this world a pretty nasty place for the rest of us to live in at the moment and it’s pissing us off. We never seem to say much about it for fear of upsetting people but it’s time that changed. We need a voice!
Now, just because we might not believe in religion that doesn’t mean that we don’t believe in respect for our fellow man. In fact, on present showing I think we’ve probably got a lot more respect for our fellow man than you religious types so I’m proposing that we call this alternative to religion......................................‘Humanitarianism’.
How many other people out there see Humanitarianism as a viable or even preferable alternative to religion right now?
I can even see the slogans “Forget religion. Become a Humanitarian and make the world a nicer place to live†or “Preach to someone who gives a shit, Humanitarians would rather plan for a brighter futureâ€.
Steve
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It’s time we had an alternative to religion.
Anyways, good points well made.
Orgasminator
Steve for ArchBishop ;)
Seriously though I do agree with you that reiligion is a problem not the cure that everyone seems to think it is.
Me thinks you may have opened a can of worms though.
Seriously though I do agree with you that reiligion is a problem not the cure that everyone seems to think it is.
Me thinks you may have opened a can of worms though.
Steve
You have voiced my views entirely.
I think it is a shame that people just couldn't live their life with Christian values rather than using the religion as an excuse.
Christian values mean treat others as you wish to be treated, don't be judgemental etc etc.
I would definitely be a part of any group which lived up to the name 'Humanitarianism’
Count me in!
Hugs, Alex x
You have voiced my views entirely.
I think it is a shame that people just couldn't live their life with Christian values rather than using the religion as an excuse.
Christian values mean treat others as you wish to be treated, don't be judgemental etc etc.
I would definitely be a part of any group which lived up to the name 'Humanitarianism’
Count me in!
Hugs, Alex x
The thing I hate is when you get asked for your religion in hospitals and the like. WTF does your religion have to do with the price of veg? Do you need different blood if you're Christian or Muslim? Does the treatment differ?
I just like to scare them now - I tell them I'm a Pagan. You should see the looks
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I just like to scare them now - I tell them I'm a Pagan. You should see the looks
:D Quote by cu3b4ll
The thing I hate is when you get asked for your religion in hospitals and the like. WTF does your religion have to do with the price of veg? Do you need different blood if you're Christian or Muslim? Does the treatment differ?
I just like to scare them now - I tell them I'm a Pagan. You should see the looks
The religion thing can relate to your treatment..
If you a jehovah's witness - they would have to think twice about a transfusion.
Also if you end up on your death bed - they need to know wheter to call a priest or a vicar etc
Alex x
edited after Calista's post.....
I agree it can matter a great deal to some people. We should always remember that!
I may not be particularly religious myself - but I have respect for those ordinary people who are.
Sex God
Have to agree with every word, Steve.
Religion is simply a way of supressing people by various means and ideals. My own experiences of Christianity have been to say the least, not very inviting.
When my mother died from cancer, our local Vicar told us in no uncertain terms, that he would not be willing to perform a ceremony for her as she had not been a regular church attender!
Since she was to be cremated and we had not asked for him to do this, we were quite astounded at his so called "Christian ideals".
He simple walked up to my sister and I whilst we were in the local corner shop and after telling us he was sorry to hear about our mother, launched into a tirade about her non attendance in his Church
I would not deny anyone the freedom to believe whatever they want to believe in, but I just wish the so called "established" relgions, would allow us to do the same, without scorning us just because we don't believe what they choose to believe
Tracy-Jayne
Religion is simply a way of supressing people by various means and ideals. My own experiences of Christianity have been to say the least, not very inviting.
When my mother died from cancer, our local Vicar told us in no uncertain terms, that he would not be willing to perform a ceremony for her as she had not been a regular church attender!
Since she was to be cremated and we had not asked for him to do this, we were quite astounded at his so called "Christian ideals".
He simple walked up to my sister and I whilst we were in the local corner shop and after telling us he was sorry to hear about our mother, launched into a tirade about her non attendance in his Church
I would not deny anyone the freedom to believe whatever they want to believe in, but I just wish the so called "established" relgions, would allow us to do the same, without scorning us just because we don't believe what they choose to believe
Tracy-Jayne
Sex God
damn right steve.
but we're meant to respect the religious freedoms of those killing in the name of aren't we . . . . and respect their beliefs. seems those who use it to justify murder can't have that much respect for god and religion themselves can they, let alone their fellow man, so why should i?
neil x x x x
but we're meant to respect the religious freedoms of those killing in the name of aren't we . . . . and respect their beliefs. seems those who use it to justify murder can't have that much respect for god and religion themselves can they, let alone their fellow man, so why should i?
neil x x x x
Sex God
I echo Steve's sentiments, but can't help wondering whether the violence, repression, and intolerance of the indoctrinated are symptoms of religion or of human nature. If there were no religion, would we as a species just find another excuse to be bastards to each other? 
Sex God
Quote by cu3b4ll
Point taken - but I've had more than one experience when they were told we were atheists only to be told "Oh. OK - we'll put you down as C of E then".
I too have known this. On a recent visit to hospital I was asked to fill in various forms for an imminent operation.
When I filled in the religion part simply with the word "none", I was told that I could not leave it this way and that I must put something - so I did - the word "something" . They did not persue it further . . .
Tracy-Jayne
Flipping it over ....
Religion .... as a whole, is a word to describe belief systems of individual groups ...
Religion ... is not responsible for hatred, prejudism, racism, fanatacism. That and that alone is down to mankind. There isn't one religion that I can name that condones such behaviour ... but fanatics distort and twist words to suit their own tyrannical practices.
I was religious ... I am no longer ... have no faith in any god but I have even less faith in mankind.
The problem doesn't lie with religion ... it lis fairly and squarely and the feet of mankind who are greedy enough to want power over it's fellows.
Religion .... as a whole, is a word to describe belief systems of individual groups ...
Religion ... is not responsible for hatred, prejudism, racism, fanatacism. That and that alone is down to mankind. There isn't one religion that I can name that condones such behaviour ... but fanatics distort and twist words to suit their own tyrannical practices.
I was religious ... I am no longer ... have no faith in any god but I have even less faith in mankind.
The problem doesn't lie with religion ... it lis fairly and squarely and the feet of mankind who are greedy enough to want power over it's fellows.
Sex God
Quote by RedHot
Point taken - but I've had more than one experience when they were told we were atheists only to be told "Oh. OK - we'll put you down as C of E then".
I too have known this. On a recent visit to hospital I was asked to fill in various forms for an imminent operation.
When I filled in the religion part simply with the word "none", I was told that I could not leave it this way and that I must put something - so I did - the word "something" . They did not persue it further . . .
Tracy-Jayne
You could have put "Jedi".
I kid you not, it is officially recognised as a religion.
i think Steve ...............that you have to relies that we do live in a country that has so called freedom of speach!......other dont!.....they are brought up that way!
So i give cheers to this country for what we have................ and that is freedom of speech!
Steve if you said that in another country your head would be cut off
Love ya
Debsxxxxxxxxxxx
So i give cheers to this country for what we have................ and that is freedom of speech!
Steve if you said that in another country your head would be cut off
Love ya
Debsxxxxxxxxxxx
Sex God
Quote by Calista
Flipping it over ....
Religion ... is not responsible for hatred, prejudism, racism, fanatacism. That and that alone is down to mankind.
Sorry I don't buy that at all. Since each various religion believes that theirs alone is the only "true" religion, then by those thoughts and ideals, they are predjudiced against any other belief.
That man may twist and bend those beliefs to suit himself and start war or whatever is true, but it is the foundation of his religion that gives him these ideas and excuses
Tracy-Jayne
Sexpert
Just One reservation only. Not sure if the refusal to follow an organised religion makes one an atheist.
Sex God
ok calista yes point taken, so i'll qualify it as organised religion. faith and sprituality are not religion.
when the Catholic church blesses the Nazis and Fascists, and turns a blind eye to genocide, or promotes the line to poor africans struggling with aids that condoms cause HIV, when the C of E is split by the whole idea that gays should even belong to a congregation, let alone preach to one, when Jews use the idea of The Promised Land to justify land seizure and the killing of Palestinian kids, when Islam preaches that we are infidels and you'll be welcomed by virgin angels into paradise for murdering us, when right-wing bible-belt americans preach untenable life style choices to kids and ban science and reason from schools, then i take issue with it all. not the beliefs as such, but their manipulation in the name of power and control.
the so called Christian churches relate in no way to the message of the New Testament. what i've read of the Quran tells me Islam in general doesn't follow it's own preachings. Judaism does follow it's Old Testament, and uses the whole idea of The Lord of Armies[ in day to day life it seems.
i despair of it at times, and yes i despair of the non-religious too. but then the non-religious don't try and preach to me and tell me how to live. they have no monopoly on morality that i've ever seen.
neil x x x ;)
when the Catholic church blesses the Nazis and Fascists, and turns a blind eye to genocide, or promotes the line to poor africans struggling with aids that condoms cause HIV, when the C of E is split by the whole idea that gays should even belong to a congregation, let alone preach to one, when Jews use the idea of The Promised Land to justify land seizure and the killing of Palestinian kids, when Islam preaches that we are infidels and you'll be welcomed by virgin angels into paradise for murdering us, when right-wing bible-belt americans preach untenable life style choices to kids and ban science and reason from schools, then i take issue with it all. not the beliefs as such, but their manipulation in the name of power and control.
the so called Christian churches relate in no way to the message of the New Testament. what i've read of the Quran tells me Islam in general doesn't follow it's own preachings. Judaism does follow it's Old Testament, and uses the whole idea of The Lord of Armies[ in day to day life it seems.
i despair of it at times, and yes i despair of the non-religious too. but then the non-religious don't try and preach to me and tell me how to live. they have no monopoly on morality that i've ever seen.
neil x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by Ice Pie
You could have put "Jedi".
I kid you not, it is officially recognised as a religion.
:rotflmao: Actually this is an urban myth. There were 390,000 (0.7% of the populous) census forms filled in with Jedi Knight as the religion of choice in 2001.
Although it was listed as a religion of choice in the statistics, it is not a recognised religion at all.
Tracy-Jayne
did you no that some country's they believe in clitrondamotry!......that is to cut the girls clit out when they are very Young .............so they don't have any pleasure whats so ever in sex.......they are just they to produce chidren!....then men use the young boys to have there plasrure!......... 1 out of 100 walk free with out any pain or disablement
the rest suffer for the rest of there lifes!........or die within weeks!
But saying all that!................. they no nothing else!................. cannot beleave we have freedom of speach! :doh: .............but i am getting to wonder soon that the way things are going we are not!
the rest suffer for the rest of there lifes!........or die within weeks!
But saying all that!................. they no nothing else!................. cannot beleave we have freedom of speach! :doh: .............but i am getting to wonder soon that the way things are going we are not!
I agree with Steve.... Religious zelots of all types are loooking more like the new cold war, but without the restraint of being a nation state with something to loose.
As an Athiest I would be a little pissed off if all the hotheads got me killed.... Having said that everyone is entitled to practice their religion and I for one support that right. The true problem is not religion, but people who use its name to their own ends. Most of these new terrorist groups use religion to recruit people, but in reality are nothing more than anarchists brainwashing the weak.
I do think its a little difficult to have an activist movement where the common demoninator is not supporting something... difficult to come up with a protest chant.... " we are athiests, what do we support, nothing, when do we want it, now...."
If you want to help, you should live by good standards and not sink to the level of the extreamists. Donate some money to civil rights campeign groups would help too, before blunket gets his totalitarian state in on the back of the paranoia being gennerated
As an Athiest I would be a little pissed off if all the hotheads got me killed.... Having said that everyone is entitled to practice their religion and I for one support that right. The true problem is not religion, but people who use its name to their own ends. Most of these new terrorist groups use religion to recruit people, but in reality are nothing more than anarchists brainwashing the weak.
I do think its a little difficult to have an activist movement where the common demoninator is not supporting something... difficult to come up with a protest chant.... " we are athiests, what do we support, nothing, when do we want it, now...."
If you want to help, you should live by good standards and not sink to the level of the extreamists. Donate some money to civil rights campeign groups would help too, before blunket gets his totalitarian state in on the back of the paranoia being gennerated
Sex God
Quote by RedHot
That man may twist and bend those beliefs to suit himself and start war or whatever is true, but it is the foundation of his religion that gives him these ideas and excuses
Tracy-Jayne
But if it weren't for that foundation, would he simply base similar behaviour on some other excuse? Stalin was an atheist and he went about his mind-control and mass-murder with all the enthusiasm of a religious zealot.
Well said Steve!! :thumbup:
I am an atheist. I joined the Army as an atheist, swearing allegiance to the queen rather than to god and the queen. Many a time when we had a church Sunday, I would have to parade outside the church, stood to attention in my best uniform whilst the God-squad were singing their songs inside.
None of my children have been Christened/ Baptised because I want them to make their own decision regarding religion, in their own time.
If there has to be religion, then I wish there was only one. Then hopefully everyone would be singing off the same hymn sheet!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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I am an atheist. I joined the Army as an atheist, swearing allegiance to the queen rather than to god and the queen. Many a time when we had a church Sunday, I would have to parade outside the church, stood to attention in my best uniform whilst the God-squad were singing their songs inside.
None of my children have been Christened/ Baptised because I want them to make their own decision regarding religion, in their own time.
If there has to be religion, then I wish there was only one. Then hopefully everyone would be singing off the same hymn sheet!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Well said Steve!! :thumbup:
I am an atheist. I joined the Army as an atheist, swearing allegiance to the queen rather than to god and the queen. Many a time when we had a church Sunday, I would have to parade outside the church, stood to attention in my best uniform whilst the God-squad were singing their songs inside.
None of my children have been Christened/ Baptised because I want them to make their own decision regarding religion, in their own time.
If there has to be religion, then I wish there was only one. Then hopefully everyone would be singing off the same hymn sheet!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
couldn't agree more!......................... the school my kids go to is a C of E........yep i go to church now and then!................. because i like to!............but when the school sent me a form to feel in!.,asking what religion my children where i put none!....why you ask!............ well i think there i abit young to make up there own minds at that age!..
I know that feeling, you don't get taught religion you get indoctrinated into whatever faith you're born into.
I was born into a catholic family. I was sent to a catholic infant/junior school where the headmistress and a lot of the teachers were nuns. I was then sent to a catholic senior school where the headmaster and a lot of the teachers were priests.
I once asked the question "how do i know I want to be a catholic, you've never taught me about anything else?". I never did get a satisfactory answer.
Steve
I was born into a catholic family. I was sent to a catholic infant/junior school where the headmistress and a lot of the teachers were nuns. I was then sent to a catholic senior school where the headmaster and a lot of the teachers were priests.
I once asked the question "how do i know I want to be a catholic, you've never taught me about anything else?". I never did get a satisfactory answer.
Steve
Well,I'm going to be -Washy here but..with zero evidence and no membership of any religious grouping,in a World plagued by war,greed and human folly and setting no great example myself..I believe in God,whatever God is - a he/she/it or whatever - and I believe in Love as the ultimate universal power.I have no proof,no way to confirm it,nothing,but I'm convinced its there - yet nobody could be more riven with doubts than I,nobody could fail to live by it more than I but it is,to me,the great truth - God is Love,Love is God.
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