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I've gone and done........ (technoshite)

I've ordered broadband. :bounce:
I've taken the Tesco package at £19:97 a month with free setup and free modem and unlimited bandwidth (512K speed). biggrin :D :D :D
I now need a decent free firewall. I'm currently using AVG antivirus and the current version of spybot that contains tea-timer dunno (but it blocked a couple of things last night when I visited the yellow pages website).
Someone did mention zonealarm, but I remember someone else mentioning another one that was supposed to be better.
Any techie help would be much appreciated. I do know a little bit about this kind of stuff (ie that a lot of how well the firewall works is down to how it's set up), but I'm definately no expert.
Any advice about installation and set-up of broadband and the firewall would be great as well. :cheers:
easy. (a very excited bunny now :bounce: ).
I'm using Kerio Personal Firewall right now; easy to install and no complaints so far. smile But then, I'm not really qualified to recommend firewall software...
We've had broadband for so long can't remember how u set it up and i think our dsl routor has a firewall all of its own..but then i don't know much about pcs...i have xp firewall...norton and spybot and adware...running all together and they seem fine...
We've also just upgraded to 1mb whatever that is....bandwidth...and with this 64bit processor my pc is flying....well it plays doom 3 really well....
But i really don't understand any of it...my other half sorts most of the problems out...
XP SP2's firewall is as strong as any for personal use. Its problem is that it's a supposedly a little bit tricky to set up, although I can't see it myself. Some P2P software objects (kazaa and the like) , but then you can say the same about ZA.
Can't comment on the install, I'm not sure what Tesco provide with the package, but if you have any trouble just holler smile
Same as GMAH, a have a wireless router which has it's own firewall, I also have ZoneAlarm and ETrust AntiVirus.
ZoneAlarm is the Firewall we use in the office and it seems to work fine.
You may be best asking JQL or one of the other real techies on here, Easy.
Hugs, Alex x
In all honesty your best bet is to get a hardware firewall, which is one build into say a router.
But a really good one which allows you to do extra techie rules and stuff is Sygate Personal Firewall.
I wouldnt trust the MS firewall personally. It kindof cuts everything so you cant really d/l or do anything special.
So i would use Sygate, you can download it free from (i think) and its pretty easy. ZoneAlarm is ok but i dont really like it anymore not since i found Sygate.
Also as for P2P, it was mentioned, i would recommend either BitTorrent or eDonkey, which is both spyware free and better.
My $ worth
Thanks guys. :cheers:
Quote by JonJon
XP SP2's firewall is as strong as any for personal use. Its problem is that it's a supposedly a little bit tricky to set up, although I can't see it myself. Some P2P software objects (kazaa and the like) , but then you can say the same about ZA.
Can't comment on the install, I'm not sure what Tesco provide with the package, but if you have any trouble just holler smile

Yeah I'm planing to have a go at some P2P stuff (liie Kazza and edonkey).
I've got XP Pro installed and I've actually got the SP2 disc at home, but haven't installed it yet as I've heard reports of it killing you PC speed. As I have problems with the Windows Media player stalling and breaking up when I roll down a screen (I figure this is due to Pro using more memory), then I guess my PC doesn't need to be made any slower (I do still install the critical updates for XP though wink ).
So the M$ firewall may be some use after all. cool be nice if it was. lol It'd make my life easier. (and that's not something you hear someone say about M$ every day :shock: )
Quote by londonsnglmale
I wouldnt trust the MS firewall personally. It kindof cuts everything so you cant really d/l or do anything special.

It can handle port forwarding and global exceptions, for Kazaa etc, without the slightest difficulty. Limewire speeds (Gnutella) are quicker than under ZA on the same machine and it passes port probes with flying colours. I very very rarely say this, but in this case don't believe the anti-Microstuft hype ;)
If you upgrade all your drivers, thoroughly cleanse the computer of all nasties, and the Gods are with you, SP2 is probably worth having. Come next February you won't have a choice if you want to shop online with IE sad
Nice one Easy.
In our office we use and recommend Corega router or wireless router.
We also use the SMC router.
Both have built in firewalls.
I would advise not using the one given in the package, there are much better ones on the market.
Price would be in the £100 - £150 range.
just my 2p's worth.
Easy get yourself sum more memory....sp2 slowed mine and i got sum memory and it sorted it...but as i said earlier i know nothing about pcs...and techie stuff..
Ram is a very good price at the moment.
I always say that there is no substitute for lots of ram.
Certainly help the machine work better.
BUT
Make sure you buy quality ram, cheap stuff screws things up most of the time.
OKay Easy... heres some advice.
a) the free option. Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2:- Im an MCSE so im biased, but it is without doubt the most complete Firewall package in existance. (and the drivers load before your adsl ones so it offers almost the same level of security as a hardware firewall)
b) Hardware Router Using NAT :- Network Address Translation is an effective tool against most hackers, as all they can see is the router itself, not the devices that lay behind it. However its not totally foolproof, (I can get through a NAT box in about 2 hours, but you need to be VERY knowledgeable in order to do so,its not something the average Joe could bring down) [for an average Idea of cost you would be looking in the region of £80-140 for a good model
c) And the Preffered, Hardware Firewall :- The preffered option is also unfortunately the most expensive, and that is a hardware Firewall, If you want some more advice on these give me a PM as I am happy to talk to you about it (but im technically not supposed to offer recommendations ..!!)
Sean
Yeah if you go for ram make sure you buy decent stuff, crucials pretty good and also make sure you have enough slots and that you MoBo can support the amount you wish to buy.
And just check to make sure you are getting the right stuff, (breaks into song ...), i.e. sdram will not work for ddr or rdram and vice versa (i think ...)
And at the moment SDRAM is pretty expensive, so it might not be a good option. (or at least it was during the summer)
Quote by Re-Lapse
Nice one Easy.
In our office we use and recommend Corega router or wireless router.
We also use the SMC router.
Both have built in firewalls.
I would advise not using the one given in the package, there are much better ones on the market.
Price would be in the £100 - £150 range.
just my 2p's worth.

Quote by givemeahug
Easy get yourself sum more memory....sp2 slowed mine and i got sum memory and it sorted it...but as i said earlier i know nothing about pcs...and techie stuff..

:eeek: :shock: bolt
Please read my location again. I'm a Northerner! We don't let go of our crap without a fight. lol
I'd love to upgrade the MODEM/router but I've had to opt for the one supplied as money is a little tight at the mo' (like non-exsistant). I did try doubling my memory (128 x 2 now I think I'd have to check) as I got offered the memory very cheap from a friend. I guess it may be time to bite the bullet and buy a strip of 512. dunno
Quote by JonJon
It can handle port forwarding and global exceptions, for Kazaa etc, without the slightest difficulty. Limewire speeds (Gnutella) are quicker than under ZA on the same machine and it passes port probes with flying colours. I very very rarely say this, but in this case don't believe the anti-Microstuft hype ;)

Pardon? confused I'll ask again when it comes time to configure it for this particular type of activity. wink
Quote by JonJon
If you upgrade all your drivers, thoroughly cleanse the computer of all nasties, and the Gods are with you, SP2 is probably worth having. Come next February you won't have a choice if you want to shop online with IE sad

OK. Drivers I never really bother with unless I have a problem. Is there anything I need to look at specifically or is it just everything in general?
What's happening in February next year? :shock:
*easy getting a little scared now*
:eeek: :shock: bolt
Please read my location again. I'm a Northerner! We don't let go of our crap without a fight. lol
I'd love to upgrade the MODEM/router but I've had to opt for the one supplied as money is a little tight at the mo' (like non-exsistant). I did try doubling my memory (128 x 2 now I think I'd have to check) as I got offered the memory very cheap from a friend. I guess it may be time to bite the bullet and buy a strip of 512. dunno

Some mobos might like it better if you get 2x256. I know i had a piece of sh*t once and it didnt like 1 512.
Just thought i'd say. But i aint sure
If your PC complains about 1x512 then upgrade the firmware and put the 512Mb memory stick in the CPU priority slot and Voila Extreme performance boost
Sean
Easy if you can give us the make and model number of the motherboard I can do some searching and find something that is cheap and good for you to use.
The XP pro firewall is good once it is setup. I find running that with another software one is perfectly fine. However I also have a ghosted NAT router too so it is a bit of an overkill here.
If you are having trouble deciding which firewall to use then don't worry. Have a look at all there websites and just see which one you can understand the best. This one will be the one for you.
I know there are a lot of free firewalls out there but most will only fully protect your computer if you get the full package. You can half hinch a serial or patch to make them the full package but that is illegal so I can't tell you to do that.
Did you put XP Pro (service pack 2) on from a clean install? or did you just install it over your original copy of windows? Doing the latter generally does make the memory usage a lot greater as there are a lot more unused processes and an unclean registry to worry about.
Let us know how you're doing.
Matt
IIRC SP2 firewall doesn't monitor outgoing traffic dunno
Quote by mattmoleman
Easy if you can give us the make and model number of the motherboard I can do some searching and find something that is cheap and good for you to use.

I'll have a look when I get home tonight and post it up. wink It's a Tiny machine so it's probably something cheap and obscure. rolleyes lol
Quote by mattmoleman
The XP pro firewall is good once it is setup. I find running that with another software one is perfectly fine. However I also have a ghosted NAT router too so it is a bit of an overkill here.
If you are having trouble deciding which firewall to use then don't worry. Have a look at all there websites and just see which one you can understand the best. This one will be the one for you.
I know there are a lot of free firewalls out there but most will only fully protect your computer if you get the full package. You can half hinch a serial or patch to make them the full package but that is illegal so I can't tell you to do that.

the windows one is looking favorite at the mo, but I'm going to have to find out how to set it up correctly.
Quote by mattmoleman
Did you put XP Pro (service pack 2) on from a clean install? or did you just install it over your original copy of windows? Doing the latter generally does make the memory usage a lot greater as there are a lot more unused processes and an unclean registry to worry about.
Let us know how you're doing.
Matt

XP pro went onto a brand new drive and SP2 is still sat on a disc in the box it came in, never been installed. I DL all the critical updates from the M$ site, but my connection didn't last long enough to dl SP2 so I ordered the disc.
Quote by easy
:eeek: :shock: bolt
Please read my location again. I'm a Northerner! We don't let go of our crap without a fight. lol
I'd love to upgrade the MODEM/router but I've had to opt for the one supplied as money is a little tight at the mo' (like non-exsistant). I did try doubling my memory (128 x 2 now I think I'd have to check) as I got offered the memory very cheap from a friend. I guess it may be time to bite the bullet and buy a strip of 512. dunno

:laughabove:
I bring you this post from about £200 worth of cobbled together components, all wrapped up in a 7 year old case. Don't listen to these rich southerners, for single PC home use the freebie modem and a software firewall = absolutely fine. Why the heck would you want to buy a router if you've only got one PC ??? (and no, a router and an ADSL modem aren't the same thing, as some twerp tried to contend yesterday (nobody who's posted here. I hasten to add smile ) )
More memory is always nice though, and very cheap at the mo.
In February Microstuft will stop enabling IE upgrade for people who don't have SP2, and eventually sites will stop recognising older copies of IE as secure and prompt you to upgrade
Quote by sussexguy
IIRC SP2 firewall doesn't monitor outgoing traffic dunno

XP didn't, but I think SP2 does ??
Yeah as jonjon said there is no need to have a router if you only have 1 PC.
Its mainly a networking thing, as far as i know thats what i use it for at home, he have a router with some basic NAT and 3 PCs plus an XBOX to play some Halo online. Man those players on there are amazing.....
You could be ultra techie and use an old PC as your firewall/gateway whack on some freeBSD and configure an "uber firewall".
The above is something i have not tried and dont know how good it is. And i dont think its what we're all talking about, sorry sad
Quote by londonsnglmale
You could be ultra techie and use an old PC as your firewall/gateway whack on some freeBSD and configure an "uber firewall".

Hehe, I don't know anyone who'd be so geeky as to try that
/wanders off whistling and trying not to look shifty ;)
Quote by JonJon
I bring you this post from about £200 worth of cobbled together components, all wrapped up in a 7 year old case. Don't listen to these rich southerners, for single PC home use the freebie modem and a software firewall = absolutely fine. Why the heck would you want to buy a router if you've only got one PC ??? (and no, a router and an ADSL modem aren't the same thing, as some twerp tried to contend yesterday (nobody who's posted here. I hasten to add smile ) )
More memory is always nice though, and very cheap at the mo.
In February Microstuft will stop enabling IE upgrade for people who don't have SP2, and eventually sites will stop recognising older copies of IE as secure and prompt you to upgrade

I'm not quite that bad when it comes to routers and modems (not quite redface ).
I'm geussing that this will be covered by M$s "critical" updates?
*prays quite a lot as hates fiddling with anything to do with windows*
Quote by JonJon
IIRC SP2 firewall doesn't monitor outgoing traffic dunno

XP didn't, but I think SP2 does ??
Nope SP2 doesn't either
Quote by MS SP2 documentation
Windows Firewall does not drop outgoing traffic
Quote by JonJon

You could be ultra techie and use an old PC as your firewall/gateway whack on some freeBSD and configure an "uber firewall".

Hehe, I don't know anyone who'd be so geeky as to try that
/wanders off whistling and trying not to look shifty ;)
I did use a linux box as a gateway for abit, but my pappy modem wouldnt install properly so it kept not working propely. well when i say it wouldnt install properly i didnt know what i was doing, so now just use a PC as my gateway at home. (USB modem, alcatel yuk)
And jon jon didnt you say you were MSCE? tut tut, surely they didnt teach you that smile
Quote by sussexguy
IIRC SP2 firewall doesn't monitor outgoing traffic dunno

XP didn't, but I think SP2 does ??
Nope SP2 doesn't either
Quote by MS SP2 documentation
Windows Firewall does not drop outgoing traffic

So is this going to be a problem for domestic use guys?
"
'XP didn't, but I think SP2 does ??'
Nope SP2 doesn't either
Quote by MS SP2 documentation
Windows Firewall does not drop outgoing traffic
"
Well there you go :shock: Not sure I can see any real reason for a careful user of Spybot and a decent AV solution to worry about it though smile (although the hours I spent trying to get f'ing ZA to not screw up an SP2 installl may well have coloured my judgement ;) )
Quote by londonsnglmale
And jon jon didnt you say you were MSCE? tut tut, surely they didnt teach you that :)

No, I didn't confused
Hmm looks like you might have to install something.
i would really reccomend sygate. But thats me.
Ultimatly like someone has said already just look at them all and see which you think you can use.
Norton even does one, but i wouldn't personally use that. Dont know why just wouldnt
Why the Hell would you want it to drop outgoing traffic?
Trust me.. for the average Joe the Firewall bundled in SP2 is more than adequate.
If you need any additional security then some simple registry edits can provide it with no problem at all.
Personally I wouldn't consider using a third party firewall product with SP2. they tend (with a very few not free notable exceptions) to load into kernel after it has loaded its networking routine, so frankly are about as secure as an unlocked car with the engine running.
Im going to disagree with others on here who have said that the router is not a good option though, as I have MANY clients that are using NAT as a cheap, easy and effective firewall regardless of whether they have just one PC or not.
Sean