just had a load of hassle in my local,cos i let it be known that i was not happy about kids in my local at am.i know this is illegal,but we have all been to family do`s where kids are given some leeway,but when a 5 month old baby was plonked down in front of the bar, i had to let it be known that i was`nt at all happy.
apparently the landlady had been asked was it ok for this,and she agreed. i got accused of being anti patriotic,cos the father has just returned from afghanistan(anyone who has read any of my posts will know what my thoughts on that are )and anti kids.????
we were`nt in a private room in a club,but in a public bar in a pub. i probably wont be welcome there again.
am i wrong? what would you have done?
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Sex God
I don't agree with children being in pubs after 6pm... private party or other. Anything could happen... Only takes 1 person to kick off and punches to be thrown and the wrong people get hurt. Were adults and a large number of us would of been out where fights have kiced off in places we least expect it to over the yrs.
Sex God
I'd probably have made some loud and pointed comments about bedtimes and the lateness of the hour. MrFB would probably have drunk up and taken me home to avoid any complications 
Nothing to do with patriotism, even if the man had returned from Afghanistan. Doesn't excuse the fact that kids shouldn't be there, does it? I don't think you were wrong.
Nothing to do with patriotism, even if the man had returned from Afghanistan. Doesn't excuse the fact that kids shouldn't be there, does it? I don't think you were wrong.
Quote by annejohn
just had a load of hassle in my local,cos i let it be known that i was not happy about kids in my local at am.i know this is illegal,but we have all been to family do`s where kids are given some leeway,but when a 5 month old baby was plonked down in front of the bar, i had to let it be known that i was`nt at all happy.
apparently the landlady had been asked was it ok for this,and she agreed. i got accused of being anti patriotic,cos the father has just returned from afghanistan(anyone who has read any of my posts will know what my thoughts on that are )and anti kids.????
we were`nt in a private room in a club,but in a public bar in a pub. i probably wont be welcome there again.
am i wrong? what would you have done?
i do agree is too ungodly hour to have a child in a bar,
-but what could the child be doing to upset you?
-was it crying to much
because at 5months i dont expect the child to be running about all over the place.
am not aware about your views on the war,soldiers or pratriotism,but there must be a reason for this couple to take there child with them to the pub at that time of the night afteral they ask the landlady if it was ok..
what would i have done-bought that soldier a pint
i hope thats a non smoking bar.
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
i do agree is too ungodly hour to have a child in a bar,
-but what could the child be doing to upset you?
-was it crying to much
because at 5months i dont expect the child to be running about all over the place.
am not aware about your views on the war,soldiers or pratriotism,but there must be a reason for this couple to take there child with them to the pub at that time of the night afteral they ask the landlady if it was ok..
what would i have done-bought that soldier a pint
i hope thats a non smoking bar.
What does smoking have to do with it?
Quote by Freckledbird
i do agree is too ungodly hour to have a child in a bar,
-but what could the child be doing to upset you?
-was it crying to much
because at 5months i dont expect the child to be running about all over the place.
am not aware about your views on the war,soldiers or pratriotism,but there must be a reason for this couple to take there child with them to the pub at that time of the night afteral they ask the landlady if it was ok..
what would i have done-bought that soldier a pint
i hope thats a non smoking bar.
What does smoking have to do with it?
nothing that was tongue in cheek
I never took my daughter into a pub after 6pm until she was in her teens, we only ever went in for lunches. For night 'do's' I preferred to get a babysitter for her anyway because I didn't like to drink if I had her in my care and could never relax if people were getting drunk around her. The times she was at a 'do' I took her home by 9pm or if it was a family wedding I would gauge the company and play it by ear but that was few and far between.
I totally disagree with young children being in a pub until but it's not for me to comment on other peoples parenting skills.
Also, if it isn't a private function, isn't it illegal to have children in a bar area at that time?
I totally disagree with young children being in a pub until but it's not for me to comment on other peoples parenting skills.
Also, if it isn't a private function, isn't it illegal to have children in a bar area at that time?
Sex God
From
'GENERAL ACCESS
The licensee has overall discretion over whom he or she allows into the pub.
The Licensing Act 2003 swept away the vast majority of restrictions on allowing children in pubs. Each pub now has a unique set of conditions on the licence which sets out how the pub operates. Generally speaking, children are allowed to enter a pub unless it has a particular licence condition which says children are not to be permitted.
The exception to this is if the pub is used “primarily or exclusively” for the supply and consumption of alcohol on the premises. In this case a child under the age of 16 is not permitted on the premises when the pub is open for business unless they are accompanied by someone 18 or over.
A further restriction is that no unaccompanied child under the age of 16 is allowed on any premises licensed for the sale and consumption of alcohol on the premises between the hours of midnight and 5am if it is open for business.'
So the landlord was breaking the law by allowing the child to be in there after midnight.
'GENERAL ACCESS
The licensee has overall discretion over whom he or she allows into the pub.
The Licensing Act 2003 swept away the vast majority of restrictions on allowing children in pubs. Each pub now has a unique set of conditions on the licence which sets out how the pub operates. Generally speaking, children are allowed to enter a pub unless it has a particular licence condition which says children are not to be permitted.
The exception to this is if the pub is used “primarily or exclusively” for the supply and consumption of alcohol on the premises. In this case a child under the age of 16 is not permitted on the premises when the pub is open for business unless they are accompanied by someone 18 or over.
A further restriction is that no unaccompanied child under the age of 16 is allowed on any premises licensed for the sale and consumption of alcohol on the premises between the hours of midnight and 5am if it is open for business.'
So the landlord was breaking the law by allowing the child to be in there after midnight.
Quote by jaymar
I never took my daughter into a pub after 6pm until she was in her teens, we only ever went in for lunches. For night 'do's' I preferred to get a babysitter for her anyway because I didn't like to drink if I had her in my care and could never relax if people were getting drunk around her. The times she was at a 'do' I took her home by 9pm or if it was a family wedding I would gauge the company and play it by ear but that was few and far between.
I totally disagree with young children being in a pub until but it's not for me to comment on other peoples parenting skills.
Also, if it isn't a private function, isn't it illegal to have children in a bar area at that time?
putting the legal issues aside the author asked;
-was she wrong reacting the way she did?
-and if it were you,what could have you done?
Quote by flower411
OK .. legal issues aside.
I can`t see anything wrong with a five month old baby being anywhere at all with it`s parents. As long as, at least one of them is not drinking.
My daughter was born in France and I found the complete acceptance of babies and children in French society to be very refreshing.
I was shocked when I returned to England and found that people were so judgemental about the way other people looked after their children.
As far as I`m concerned babies sleep most of the time anyway and if they go out and about in all situations with their parents, they will grow up knowing how to behave in public places.
damn right and straight to the point :thumbup:
am still due to hear why this child irritated annejohn
Sex God
Quote by steve-j
it appears to me that its the same people nit picking other peoples topics and opinions.
They are lucky to have the time to research the subject of discussion and throw in a lot of bumph that no ones going to read anyway-get a life!
Like that, ^^^^^^you mean?
Answer the questions!
Quote by flower411
OK .. legal issues aside.
I can`t see anything wrong with a five month old baby being anywhere at all with it`s parents. As long as, at least one of them is not drinking.
My daughter was born in France and I found the complete acceptance of babies and children in French society to be very refreshing.
I was shocked when I returned to England and found that people were so judgemental about the way other people looked after their children.
As far as I`m concerned babies sleep most of the time anyway and if they go out and about in all situations with their parents, they will grow up knowing how to behave in public places.
damn right and straight to the point :thumbup:
am still due to hear why this child irritated annejohn
Oh FFS !! :shock: Now I`ve got Phuckers agreeing with me !!! :scared:
have not crossed the floor but acknowledge the fact,i learn something new here everyday...here
Quote by Phuckers
I never took my daughter into a pub after 6pm until she was in her teens, we only ever went in for lunches. For night 'do's' I preferred to get a babysitter for her anyway because I didn't like to drink if I had her in my care and could never relax if people were getting drunk around her. The times she was at a 'do' I took her home by 9pm or if it was a family wedding I would gauge the company and play it by ear but that was few and far between.
I totally disagree with young children being in a pub until but it's not for me to comment on other peoples parenting skills.
Also, if it isn't a private function, isn't it illegal to have children in a bar area at that time?
putting the legal issues aside the author asked;
-was she wrong reacting the way she did?
-and if it were you,what could have you done?
And?
What do you want me to do Phuckers? answer you
or the OP?? 
My reply was a reply in conjunction with the OP's post and gave my back up to her in that she wasn't wrong in her reaction because I feel the same way.. because.... as I wrote.
I am not keen on children being in pub at that time of night. Our children certainly wouldn't have been there.
Ours do go to family type pubs sometimes with my parents but they leave before 9 pm.
If kids are running round in a pub, it pisses me right off because it is not the place for it
It wouldn't sit well with me if a baby was in a pub at 12 because IMHO, pubs are for adults to relax away from babies and kids at that time of night.
BTW, can we actually have a thread running without any bickering please because all this arguing is starting to grate on my nervs
Be objective but don't be personal :thumbup:
Ours do go to family type pubs sometimes with my parents but they leave before 9 pm.
If kids are running round in a pub, it pisses me right off because it is not the place for it
It wouldn't sit well with me if a baby was in a pub at 12 because IMHO, pubs are for adults to relax away from babies and kids at that time of night.
BTW, can we actually have a thread running without any bickering please because all this arguing is starting to grate on my nervs
Be objective but don't be personal :thumbup: Quote by Dawnie
I am not keen on children being in pub at that time of night. Our children certainly wouldn't have been there.
Ours do go to family type pubs sometimes with my parents but they leave before 9 pm.
If kids are running round in a pub, it pisses me right off because it is not the place for it
It wouldn't sit well with me if a baby was in a pub at 12 because IMHO, pubs are for adults to relax away from babies and kids at that time of night.
BTW, can we actually have a thread running without any bickering please because all this arguing is starting to grate on my nervs
so in that case doest matter if its 3 o'clock in the afternoon
Quote by Phuckers
I am not keen on children being in pub at that time of night. Our children certainly wouldn't have been there.
Ours do go to family type pubs sometimes with my parents but they leave before 9 pm.
If kids are running round in a pub, it pisses me right off because it is not the place for it
It wouldn't sit well with me if a baby was in a pub at 12 because IMHO, pubs are for adults to relax away from babies and kids at that time of night.
BTW, can we actually have a thread running without any bickering please because all this arguing is starting to grate on my nervs
so in that case doest matter if its 3 o'clock in the afternoon
I am not too sure what you are saying Phuckers :?
But you have made one of my comments bold so I guess it is that part you are talking about. I never mentioned any time during that sentence, I said that I hate kids running round in pubs
Quote by annejohn
didn`t make it clear last night but there were 3 older children there too,about 7 ,8 and 10. only a small pub,about the size of 3 living rooms,open plan so there was nowhere remotely safe if anything happened,nowhere quiet for them to avoid the adult behaviour that happens in pubs.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: now you say,in that case i would be bloody pissed off and ask the landlady to sort it out...but what was the soldier to do with it?
i hope this wont costitute to bickering,just fact finding
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
didn`t make it clear last night but there were 3 older children there too,about 7 ,8 and 10. only a small pub,about the size of 3 living rooms,open plan so there was nowhere remotely safe if anything happened,nowhere quiet for them to avoid the adult behaviour that happens in pubs.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: now you say,in that case i would be bloody pissed off and ask the landlady to sort it out...but what was the soldier to do with it?
i hope this wont costitute to bickering,just fact finding
From the original post, the returning soldier was the 'excuse' that the landlady gave as a reason for the child being allowed to be in the pub.
Quote by Freckledbird
didn`t make it clear last night but there were 3 older children there too,about 7 ,8 and 10. only a small pub,about the size of 3 living rooms,open plan so there was nowhere remotely safe if anything happened,nowhere quiet for them to avoid the adult behaviour that happens in pubs.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: now you say,in that case i would be bloody pissed off and ask the landlady to sort it out...but what was the soldier to do with it?
i hope this wont costitute to bickering,just fact finding
From the original post, the returning soldier was the 'excuse' that the landlady gave as a reason for the child being allowed to be in the pub.
i dont think a pub in the evening is a suitable enviroment for a child of any age.
i dont like to see kids in pubs during the day either,
unless they are more family orientated pubs with outside or inside family areas serving food.
pubs are really for adults, its a place to escape kids in my opinion.
i wouldnt be pleased if i had paid out for a baby sitter, got dressed up to go out and have a adult evening to be in a pub and have kids running around.
the kids would benefit more from having a good nights sleep at home in bed.
i know this my have been a celebration cuse the father was home, but what if we all decided to take our kids out in the evening till gone 12am?
now if this had been a single mum of say 18 with a 5mth old with her i think people would be having different thoughts.
i dont think you were in the wrong.
xx fem xx
i dont like to see kids in pubs during the day either,
unless they are more family orientated pubs with outside or inside family areas serving food.
pubs are really for adults, its a place to escape kids in my opinion.
i wouldnt be pleased if i had paid out for a baby sitter, got dressed up to go out and have a adult evening to be in a pub and have kids running around.
the kids would benefit more from having a good nights sleep at home in bed.
i know this my have been a celebration cuse the father was home, but what if we all decided to take our kids out in the evening till gone 12am?
now if this had been a single mum of say 18 with a 5mth old with her i think people would be having different thoughts.
i dont think you were in the wrong.
xx fem xx
Quote by Freckledbird
I'd probably have made some loud and pointed comments about bedtimes and the lateness of the hour.
Err since when do 5 month old babies have a bedtime? Any time after a feed is bedtime surely? As for lateness of the hour... you do remember feeding 5 month old kids don't you?
Sex God
Quote by Peanut
I'd probably have made some loud and pointed comments about bedtimes and the lateness of the hour.
Err since when do 5 month old babies have a bedtime? Any time after a feed is bedtime surely? As for lateness of the hour... you do remember feeding 5 month old kids don't you?
I do indeed. Mine went to bed though, after being fed. Whatever the hour. They definitely wouldn't have been in a pub., especially as smoking was permitted back then.
Quote by Freckledbird
I'd probably have made some loud and pointed comments about bedtimes and the lateness of the hour.
Err since when do 5 month old babies have a bedtime? Any time after a feed is bedtime surely? As for lateness of the hour... you do remember feeding 5 month old kids don't you?
I do indeed. Mine went to bed though, after being fed. Whatever the hour.
Exactly what I just said, so 12:30 isn't exactly after "bedtime". It's actually probably closer to a feed time.
so would everyone be happy walking into a pub and there were 50 5 mth old babies in there?
flower im sorry i my comment on the age wasnt directed to anyone who had made a opinion in this thread as such, just that i envisioned simmiler to that senario as stated above.
your out in town on a sat night, walk into a pub and its full of 5 mth old babies? not something i would want to see happen.
I tried to have my babies in a routine from as young as possible, guess i was lucky on my youngest child that she slept through from 7pm till 6am.
i dont think the family in the example do this every night, but what if everyone started to do this?
and when do we say ok 6mth your to old but 5 mths its ok to be out at 12am surrounded by adults who may be drunk?
xx fem xx
flower im sorry i my comment on the age wasnt directed to anyone who had made a opinion in this thread as such, just that i envisioned simmiler to that senario as stated above.
your out in town on a sat night, walk into a pub and its full of 5 mth old babies? not something i would want to see happen.
I tried to have my babies in a routine from as young as possible, guess i was lucky on my youngest child that she slept through from 7pm till 6am.
i dont think the family in the example do this every night, but what if everyone started to do this?
and when do we say ok 6mth your to old but 5 mths its ok to be out at 12am surrounded by adults who may be drunk?
xx fem xx
dunno who that guy is lol
what im saying is just cuse only one perosn is doing something does not make it right.
one baby - 5 babys- what ever i dont want to see them in pubs after 12am. but then i would leave the pub.
what i was tryng to show was how it could simply get out of hand.
I'll leave it there, im not bickering, or pulling anyones personal opinion apart, i was just expressing my opinion, and my thougts on how if one perosn saw fit to do this ( bring a baby in a pub past 12am) then where would it end.
xx fem xx
what im saying is just cuse only one perosn is doing something does not make it right.
one baby - 5 babys- what ever i dont want to see them in pubs after 12am. but then i would leave the pub.
what i was tryng to show was how it could simply get out of hand.
I'll leave it there, im not bickering, or pulling anyones personal opinion apart, i was just expressing my opinion, and my thougts on how if one perosn saw fit to do this ( bring a baby in a pub past 12am) then where would it end.
xx fem xx
Quote by annejohn
didn`t make it clear last night but there were 3 older children there too,about 7 ,8 and 10. only a small pub,about the size of 3 living rooms,open plan so there was nowhere remotely safe if anything happened,nowhere quiet for them to avoid the adult behaviour that happens in pubs.
Then that is 100% unacceptable in my mind!
Pubs in my view are an adult enviroment and in that means no kids under 16. Things happen in pubs which are not suitable for kids to see or hear, or in some cases possibly hurt and scared if a row or fight breaks out.
If you want to go out to a pub get a sitter or one of you dont go, or both dont go...simple. But then again no doubt there are parents that not only allow their kids into pubs, but give them drinks as well, and I know that to happen. Kids at that time of night should be in bed anyways...NOT in a pub!
