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would you use a brothel?

Is it time to wake up and move forward in the idea of having a lawful and regulated sex industry in respect of brothels and the like?
Or
Does by doing this are we degrading sex and people by commercializing such?
If we had a legalized brothel industry would you use it if you felt the need too? Post a vote as too whether you would or not as it is anonymous
I think we should legalize a basic form of brothel with very strict controls.
I wouldnt use them and I cant decide whther that is because I am as tight as a ducks arse or whether becuase i find the current sex industry exploitative and abhorrent.
Mmmmmmmmm Love it when a thread makes me ponder.
We spent last weekend in Amsterdam, and stayed very close to the Redlight area. The experience was very good, and the atmosphere was brill. The streets were busy but there were no louts pissing in doorways or fighting over kebabs. The ladies in the windows were in control of their 'trade' and they decided who entered their parlours. It appeared that the industry is regulated well, and the cafe's worked well. We didnt feel intimidated at any time by youths or lads who should know better.
In fact, the most intimidation we felt was when a group of 30 or so welsh ladies were parading down the main street on sat nite shouting oggi oggi oggi.
After the experience of the weekend, we would have no doubt in allowing strictly regulated brothels. As an aside, a taxi driver told us that in the Netherlands is treated as harshly as murder, so that would also bring other benefits. The other benefit is that if it were properly regulated, the tax revenue from it would probably reduce fuel duty by a £1 per litre lol
There are loads up and down the country. They masquerade as massage parlours and sauna's wink
I am a punter. Use of saunas, walk in brothels, escorts etc, is legal. So the poll is almost redundant. But useful in knowing how ignorant people form an opinion.
Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.
If you don't normally use sex workers its hard to imagine how you would expect an improved sex industry to operate. Its largely self managing, with each brothel having its own characteristics, including workers and regulars.
The more you pay the more you get in return for skills, surroundings etc.
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Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.

Nasty specimens?
Quote by helnheaven

Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.

Nasty specimens?
That means some of the workers and the punters. Or at least whilst they are at it.
Quote by duncanlondon

Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.

Nasty specimens?
That means some of the workers and the punters. Or at least whilst they are at it.
I cant speak for the punters but the workers are normally desperate people who have no other way of making quick money.
Ive worked with some of these people and I personally take offence at the term 'nasty specimens'. They are Human beings, unfortunate human beings.
In edit. My employment capacity was not as a hooker wink I do have to take my hat off to some of these people. It takes bottle to walk cold, wet, lonely streets at night.
Quote by helnheaven

Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.

Nasty specimens?
That means some of the workers and the punters. Or at least whilst they are at it.
I cant speak for the punters but the workers are normally desperate people who have no other way of making quick money.
Ive worked with some of these people and I personally take offence at the term 'nasty specimens'. They are Human beings, unfortunate human beings.
I'd agree with you in some cases. There's a lot of victims out there. But they only need to clean themselves up and work in the legal brothels. But a lot don't want to cooperate.
Street hookers are pretty resilient people, They don't need much help from anyone. Which is why they prefer to do what they do. And a lot do make that choice, they are not all victims. They just find they have the aptitude do the work. Then it becomes their life.
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I'd agree with you in some cases. There's a lot of victims out there. But they only need to clean themselves up and work in the legal brothels. But a lot don't want to cooperate.

Co operate? Last I heard this was a free country. Some of these unfortunate people are unable to see into the next hour, never mind clean themselves up. Its not a case of only needing to clean up, if only it was that easy.
IMO Your views are outdated....time to enter the real world and stop making so many generalisations
Quote by helnheaven

I'd agree with you in some cases. There's a lot of victims out there. But they only need to clean themselves up and work in the legal brothels. But a lot don't want to cooperate.

Co operate? Last I heard this was a free country. Some of these unfortunate people are unable to see into the next hour, never mind clean themselves up. Its not a case of only needing to clean up, if only it was that easy.
IMO Your views are outdated....time to enter the real world and stop making so many generalisations
Its a free country because we agree to abide by most or at least some of the legalities not the illegalities.
Like I said before, that goes for the victim end of the scale. There's plenty who know what they are doing and they are okay with it.
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I'd agree with you in some cases. There's a lot of victims out there. But they only need to clean themselves up and work in the legal brothels. But a lot don't want to cooperate.

Co operate? Last I heard this was a free country. Some of these unfortunate people are unable to see into the next hour, never mind clean themselves up. Its not a case of only needing to clean up, if only it was that easy.
IMO Your views are outdated....time to enter the real world and stop making so many generalisations
Like I said before, that goes for the victim end of the scale. There's plenty who know what they are doing and they are okay with it.
Ive said what I wanted to say and I stick by it. Im not going to respond to anything further or I risk a ban
Quote by helnheaven

I'd agree with you in some cases. There's a lot of victims out there. But they only need to clean themselves up and work in the legal brothels. But a lot don't want to cooperate.

Co operate? Last I heard this was a free country. Some of these unfortunate people are unable to see into the next hour, never mind clean themselves up. Its not a case of only needing to clean up, if only it was that easy.
IMO Your views are outdated....time to enter the real world and stop making so many generalisations
Like I said before, that goes for the victim end of the scale. There's plenty who know what they are doing and they are okay with it.
Ive said what I wanted to say and I stick by it. Im not going to respond to anything further or I risk a ban
If you calm down and don't just react, you should avoid saying something silly. There's still a decent conversation to be had. Go on don't be afraid.
Ahem
Time for an opinion.
Soliciting is an offence. It doesnt matter if you are on the street or waving your arse from Nelsons column.
I agree with the one who said nasty specimens was innappropriate language. To whoever siad that u need to get some edumacation. I speak as man who has worked with sex workers operating from many marketing positions.
U can wrap up your own guilt thnkin that if a lass aint on the street she aint bein exploited. From my view she is often doin summat she wouldnt be doing if she had other options.
I am perfectly calm. Please dont patronise me
Like I said end of!
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Ahem
Time for an opinion.
Soliciting is an offence. It doesnt matter if you are on the street or waving your arse from Nelsons column.
I agree with the one who said nasty specimens was innappropriate language. To whoever siad that u need to get some edumacation. I speak as man who has worked with sex workers operating from many marketing positions.
U can wrap up your own guilt thnkin that if a lass aint on the street she aint bein exploited. From my view she is often doin summat she wouldnt be doing if she had other options.

Yes you're right, from the point of view of the victim turned sex worker. But the trade attracts pimps and they are nasty specimens. Unless of course you are okay with that?
The illegal trade also attracts organised gangs, and they are way beyond being nasty. The types that provide sex traffic etc. So it's not an entirely inconsiderate statement.
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Ahem
Time for an opinion.
Soliciting is an offence. It doesnt matter if you are on the street or waving your arse from Nelsons column.
I agree with the one who said nasty specimens was innappropriate language. To whoever siad that u need to get some edumacation. I speak as man who has worked with sex workers operating from many marketing positions.
U can wrap up your own guilt thnkin that if a lass aint on the street she aint bein exploited. From my view she is often doin summat she wouldnt be doing if she had other options.

Amen worship
Anyway back to the main point.
There is not much that needs to be remanaged in the industry. Its generally self managing as there is not much to it. Premises need to be adequate, and capable of accommodating people. Facilities need to be decent. If its a bad set up the punters won't come.
I don't know how much could be done for worker's rights etc. I am not sure sex workers would like it on their employment records. Would 'jobs' be made available in the JOB centre.
If you consider how people make it by being celebrities; there is no 'job description' there. What rights do they have? They can be destroyed by the press with very little protection.
So there are a few other 'careers' which suffer from having little or no protection.
Celebrities have rights via contract the same as any other worker. Sex workers, if working in a legitimate establishment also have rights the same as any other worker.
As for advertising in the job centre, I wouldnt trust the place to handle my staffing requirements so it just isnt neccessary.
rolleyes
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Celebrities have rights via contract the same as any other worker. Sex workers, if working in a legitimate establishment also have rights the same as any other worker.
As for advertising in the job centre, I wouldnt trust the place to handle my staffing requirements so it just isnt neccessary.
rolleyes

Yeah they do in the short term, specific to the time and event they are attending. So in effect they are self employed specialists, and protected by statutory workers rights. But their 'job' doesn't really exist and does not have employment protection.
Or at least they can be effectively dismissed without impunity.
Quote by duncanlondon
I am a punter. Use of saunas, walk in brothels, escorts etc, is legal. So the poll is almost redundant. But useful in knowing how ignorant people form an opinion.

Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.

I'm sorry Duncan but I think this bit in my mind is harsh lol
Quote by Lost
I am a punter. Use of saunas, walk in brothels, escorts etc, is legal. So the poll is almost redundant. But useful in knowing how ignorant people form an opinion.

Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.

I'm sorry Duncan but I think this bit in my mind is harsh lol
Oh well. Did you not know that sex workers are involved in a legal activity? Would you have been happy if the debate ran along the lines of this misconception?
Being ignorant doesn't mean stupid, just uninformed, but perhaps not willing to find out.
In our society it helps to have some flexibility and fluidity to the economy. If everything was so tightly regulated there would be no room to manouvre, less opportunities to profit or progress.
There are many people who work from home providing the rag trade, multi level marketing, franchises etc. All different types of employment allowing freedom and choice as to how we can find work.
So I think that in the case of brothels, some may benefit from a shake up, but the majority do okay in their own peculiar way. I have some favourites and I think most of the punters would hate it if they were changed in any significant way.
No, the girls run it well enough along their own lines.
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Being ignorant doesn't mean stupid, just uninformed, but perhaps not willing to find out.

rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:shock: Coffee meets monitor moment
Pot n kettle
blah de blah de blah rolleyes
Quote by helnheaven

Being ignorant doesn't mean stupid, just uninformed, but perhaps not willing to find out.

rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:shock: Coffee meets monitor moment
Pot n kettle
blah de blah de blah rolleyes
Join the debate again. You sound like you need to say something.
Quote by duncanlondon
I am a punter. Use of saunas, walk in brothels, escorts etc, is legal. So the poll is almost redundant. But useful in knowing how ignorant people form an opinion.

Street hookering is illegal. It tends to attract some nasty specimens.

I'm sorry Duncan but I think this bit in my mind is harsh lol
Oh well. Did you not know that sex workers are involved in a legal activity? Would you have been happy if the debate ran along the lines of this misconception?
Being ignorant doesn't mean stupid, just uninformed, but perhaps not willing to find out.
I still maintain the premiss as first stated by me
- Is it time to wake up and move forward in the idea of having a lawful and regulated sex industry in respect of brothels and the like? -
The importance here of being lawful, regulated, industry. It in my mind is no good having uncontrolled mini brothels were there are no more than one or two men or women or both working without having the same limitations regulations and conditions as other small businesses. It has never been illegal to be a sex worker that i know, though it still is and has always been illegal for others to profit from such activities.
What about properly managed premises. Inspected regularly where the workers are taxed and given regular medical checkups, security etc etc ...
My original post may not have been explicit enough and yes i as well as others maybe 'ignorant' of the 'sex industry' and the laws concerning such. I feel however that we maybe manage not to be ignorant full stop.
I would like to see brothels in commercial areas with understated signposting and advertising (things like yellow pages and the like not 20' by10' hoardings) Certificated by health and safety or the like clear pricing policies.
Though i'm sure this would not take the more 'low' end confused market away I feel it would benefit the clients and the staff using the facilities and would be more of an asset than the situation at present.
Lostie.
If I can point you to this handy site
I think it explains it in an understandable way.
I think the main difference is in whether you set up a business in a corrupt way as opposed to abiding with what is generally accepted and is legal or at least can't be proven illegal. Again its open to interpretation and the courts could rule either way if they considered there was malpractice afoot.
So do we need to fix what isn't essentially broken? It's arguable. Creating a 'new' approach could be a good move in some cases. Even in some of the European cities where it's more visbily regulated, there's still criminal gangs who will attempt to run things their way, even temoprarily.
Here in the UK, the trade has probably functioned as it has done for the last 2000 years. So there's a long legacy to deal with, in attempting to fundamentally reorganise what is already functioning.
Remember, the more you pay the more get in terms of locations, facilities and service. Therefore that becomes more personalised and specific to your requirements. Its well established, with many of the top performers happy with the way things work.
But anyway a worthy debate, so cheers for entering into the spirit.
I very much agree that brothels should be legalised. We all know they exist as massage parlours or saunas now..but by legalising it, we could regulate the industry. The premises could be inspected and made sure they are clean and suitable for the purpose. The girls that work there, would be subject to regular health checks, and given advise about the dangers of what they were doing. this would at least give the girls a chance to make a choice. The situation where women get paid for sex has and will always exist, so at least lets regulate it.
im not so sure that regulating the litterally thousands of brothels that exist up and down the country would either be manageable or practicable. i dont think it will ever happen.
i think people are dreaming if they think the authorities could cope and succeed in imposing standards. whose standards would theey use to measure against?
the business is somewhat immoral and criminal by its very essence and i doubt the establishment would ever want to/end up getting involved with the organization of such activities...... thats why relaxed laws exist in certain places.... but it is rare that any countries completely legalise the trade.
its never going to happen......
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im not so sure that regulating the litterally thousands of brothels that exist up and down the country would either be manageable or practicable. i dont think it will ever happen.
i think people are dreaming if they think the authorities could cope and succeed in imposing standards. whose standards would theey use to measure against?
the business is somewhat immoral and criminal by its very essence and i doubt the establishment would ever want to/end up getting involved with the organization of such activities...... thats why relaxed laws exist in certain places.... but it is rare that any countries completely legalise the trade.
its never going to happen......

It can be confusing about which aspects of the occupation are illegal and immoral.
To be a sex worker is legal, therefore it can't be immoral. There are other aspects, circumstances and characters which bring into play immorality and corruption.
But generally if someone decides to become a sex worker and does it out of public view its legal. It becomes legal for the punter as well.
Debating the implications of prostitution is not easy if one still can't decide if its okay for someone to choose to be a sex worker.
As far as regulating things goes, we all have the opportunity to regulate things as much as is practicable. If one finds vandalism in a public place, how many of us make the effort to get involved with putting things right? Very few, most of us just ignore it. But we do have the right to get involved with the procedures to bring about betterment and change.
Its usually only when things escalate to appalling levels that local people finally get together and do something about street prostitution. But it can take years to lead up to this point.
Therefore I agree with you that it would be a 'long haul' in taking regulation to effect a substantial change in the way things work.
Also sex workers are transitory people, involved in the trade for perhaps a few years of their lives. Keeping tabs on them would be an endless task.
The larger part of the trade is in small locally based houses and flats. These offer discretion and anonymity and reasonable conditions. That's usually enough for most punters.