Just a follow up to another coupole of threads that have been stopped.
Is dogging strictly legal?
Does this site never condone alcohol and tobbaco, both drugs that cost many lives each year?
how long will it take for this thread to be stopped?
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1. Show me the law that says having sex in your car in a car park isn't legal. There's isn't such a law (at the moment). Sex (heterosexual sex at least) outdoors - anywhere - is only illegal if someone complains.
2. It is not the point whether this site condones, accepts, or hates, the use of illegal drugs. The point is that such activity is most definately ILLEGAL. While you are correct that alcohol and drugs take more lives per year than all illegal drugs put together, the use of alcohol and tobacco are not illegal for adults, therefore this site does not moderate discussion of them. I repeat - we are not making moral judgements, we are making decisions to inhibit certain discussions so that the site doesn't get closed down.
3. It won't unless the law is compromised (see above)
4. Happy Xmas.
2. It is not the point whether this site condones, accepts, or hates, the use of illegal drugs. The point is that such activity is most definately ILLEGAL. While you are correct that alcohol and drugs take more lives per year than all illegal drugs put together, the use of alcohol and tobacco are not illegal for adults, therefore this site does not moderate discussion of them. I repeat - we are not making moral judgements, we are making decisions to inhibit certain discussions so that the site doesn't get closed down.
3. It won't unless the law is compromised (see above)
4. Happy Xmas.
Well, you can argue the rights or wrongs of the thing 'til the female bovine animals come home.
As for the legal side.....viagra is a prescription drug.....and not in the aspirin league anyway.....the side effects of it include sudden death.....although the user may well die with a stiff dick and be happy with that (or a stiff clit for the other sex)
For some of the other drugs which you should NOT take when using viagra go and there are a few more....since a popular party (and legally available) drug contains nitrates (poppers AKA amyl/butyl nitrate) you should make yourself aware of what may not make you happy, but dead. If you insist on using drugs obtained except from a doctor....who *will* tell you what you should and shouldn't use it WITH.
The mods can censor if they wish, but since the whole object of this site is for sexually liberated people to meet others of the same genre, I prefer not to get into moralising. And as for legal or not.....you would need legal advice about that, but better safe than locked up.
You can buy them off the net (if you aren't getting viagra and bigger dick spam, you ain't using enough sex sites) but you're more likely to get blue chalk than viagra....or maybe worse !!
As for the legal side.....viagra is a prescription drug.....and not in the aspirin league anyway.....the side effects of it include sudden death.....although the user may well die with a stiff dick and be happy with that (or a stiff clit for the other sex)
For some of the other drugs which you should NOT take when using viagra go and there are a few more....since a popular party (and legally available) drug contains nitrates (poppers AKA amyl/butyl nitrate) you should make yourself aware of what may not make you happy, but dead. If you insist on using drugs obtained except from a doctor....who *will* tell you what you should and shouldn't use it WITH.
The mods can censor if they wish, but since the whole object of this site is for sexually liberated people to meet others of the same genre, I prefer not to get into moralising. And as for legal or not.....you would need legal advice about that, but better safe than locked up.
You can buy them off the net (if you aren't getting viagra and bigger dick spam, you ain't using enough sex sites) but you're more likely to get blue chalk than viagra....or maybe worse !!
Is dogging strictly legal?
Perhaps this will help
and this, which takes a view of the law as it stands
The Guardians view is
And a final word from an article in Free Life
The key phrase in the Telegraph Article refering to the new legislation is:
The new offence would rely upon whether the activity was witnessed and the couple was reckless about being seen.Proving reckless occurs in many legal definitions - including Assault.
There is also an interesting link at the bottom "Car Park Porn Without A Ticket" which describes an occaision where a film company filmed a scene in a public car park involving people naked in a car and a couple having sex outside the car.
Some other offences are:
The Vagrancy Act of 1824 provides that every person who wilfully, openly, lewdly and obscenely exposes his person with intent to insult a female shall be deemed a rogue and a vagabond and liable to imprisonment therefore for a period of three months.
The Town Police Clauses Act of 1847 provides that every person who wilfully and indecently exposes his person in a street to the annoyance of residents or passengers shall be guilty of an offence and liable for up to 14 days' imprisonment. In this case there is no need for a female to be insulted.
The Public Health Acts Amendment Act of 1907 extends the definition of street, for the 1847 offence, to include "any place of public resort of recreation ground belonging to, or under the control of a local authority, and any unfenced ground adjoining to or abutting upon any street in an urban district".
A Public Nuisance is an offence at Common Law. Stones Justices Manual states "A public nuisance is such an inconvenient or troublesome offence as annoys the community in general etc." It goes on to give examples as "...So is an indecent exposure of the person in a public omnibus, in the view of persons travelling therein; or on the roof of the back of a house, so as to be visible to persons in the back premises of many other houses, and it is not necessary that the exposure should be on the public highway. It may be at a spot where the public are in the habit of trespassing without interference, although not a public place. More than one person at least must have been able to see the act of indecency complained of, but actual disgust or annoyance on the part of an observer need not be proved."
The Public Order Act of 1986 (and this is one very often used by the police where they find difficulty in finding an appropriate offence) provides that a person shall be guilty of an offence if he uses ... insulting words or behaviour ... within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment alarm or distress thereby. The offence may be committed in a public or private place.
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Sex God
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Did you go and look all that up, Kat, or do you know the law relating to public order offences off by heart? Actually, sad that I am, I was going to go and look it all up earlier but I have a hangover so didn't bother (note the reference to alcohol, which is perfectly legal, and no mention of anything illegal whatsoever
- would I????).
I think my (1) above covers all legal possibilities, does it not? The point is, that if no-one complains or is insulted there is no offence. So, boys and girls - shag away in and around the car parks of Britain! Just be careful about what females you insult though - you wouldn't want to be deemed a vagabond, would you? Actually, I quite like that term. I am going to be a big vagabond from now on
Did you go and look all that up, Kat, or do you know the law relating to public order offences off by heart? Actually, sad that I am, I was going to go and look it all up earlier but I have a hangover so didn't bother (note the reference to alcohol, which is perfectly legal, and no mention of anything illegal whatsoever
- would I????). I think my (1) above covers all legal possibilities, does it not? The point is, that if no-one complains or is insulted there is no offence. So, boys and girls - shag away in and around the car parks of Britain! Just be careful about what females you insult though - you wouldn't want to be deemed a vagabond, would you? Actually, I quite like that term. I am going to be a big vagabond from now on
I was going to go and look it all up earlier but I have a hangover so didn't bother
you too?Did you go and look all that up, Kat, or do you know the law relating to public order offences off by heart?bit of both
I think my (1) above covers all legal possibilities, does it notWell if i was one to split hairs, I would say that the dogger is the person doing the watching. So nothing we have spoken about affects doggers in any way - unless, of course, they are also performing a sex act while whatching.
Otherwise known as peeping toms, yoyeurs etc.
Well, this is the era of the sexual offences act 2003.
Voyeurism is illegal, a specific offence if the SA act is now law.
Go and look at all of what you're illegally doing now at web site.
Stand up and be counted all you couples doing dogging, who will give a statement that they don't mind others watching them have sex ?
A quick look at the penalties for said doggers upon conviction....hmmm, up to 2 years in a sado/masochistic environment.
Yep, things sometimes change overnight.
Well, this is the era of the sexual offences act 2003.
Voyeurism is illegal, a specific offence if the SA act is now law.
Go and look at all of what you're illegally doing now at web site.
Stand up and be counted all you couples doing dogging, who will give a statement that they don't mind others watching them have sex ?
A quick look at the penalties for said doggers upon conviction....hmmm, up to 2 years in a sado/masochistic environment.
Yep, things sometimes change overnight.
Is says: Section 67 Voyeurism
There is also this bit:
Would you say that dogging fulfilled all three points?
(1) A person commits an offence if-
(a) for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, he observes another person doing a private act, and
(b) he knows that the other person does not consent to being observed for his sexual gratification.
There is also this bit:
For the purposes of section 67, a person is doing a private act if the person is in a place which, in the circumstances, would reasonably be expected to provide privacy.
Would you say that dogging fulfilled all three points?
Sex God
No, dogging in the main doesn't fit these criteria. People who go to have sex in car parks know they could be watched. The watcher knows that the watched want to be watched :shock: . Therefore, where's the crime? There isn't one. I guess the only times problems under this Section would arise is, A. if a horny couple went to a car park for shag, completely in ignorance that doggers existed - they could well be watched without their consent. Also there might be B. - a case where someone wants to be watched by some, but not others - I suppose this wouldn't happen very often as as soon as a dickhead (or your dad :shock: ) turns up at a site the action stops. However, what bothers me about this badly worded Section is - what the hell does consent mean in this context anyway?
Sex God
Yeah, yeah, I know the saying - I just think that's badly worded too! But who asked me anyway!
Sex God
Yes, I did, but I didn't see on the ballot paper where to write a better definition of "consent" - perhaps my ballot paper was faulty :doh:
