Locked threads

5 Jan 2008

Quote by st3v3
Whenever a complaint comes in via the tickets about a thread being locked we always make a point of reading the thread and I'd have to say that we haven't come across one yet that needed to be unlocked.

This point has been commented on - seems a fair one. However, as a recent member, I am not sure how to do this procedure - the Site is not always clear and I have been given lots of assistance by helpful members through this Forum - hence the reply to the original thread.
Plim confused

5 Jan 2008

Quote by Plimboy
Whenever a complaint comes in via the tickets about a thread being locked we always make a point of reading the thread and I'd have to say that we haven't come across one yet that needed to be unlocked.

This point has been commented on - seems a fair one. However, as a recent member, I am not sure how to do this procedure - the Site is not always clear and I have been given lots of assistance by helpful members through this Forum - hence the reply to the original thread.
Plim confused

If you click on 'help' in the left-hand column (which is really the obvious place to look for help), a page opens with lots of frequently asked questions and a logo saying 'support ticket'. Click on that. Easy.

6 Jan 2008

Quote by flower411
Whenever a complaint comes in via the tickets about a thread being locked we always make a point of reading the thread and I'd have to say that we haven't come across one yet that needed to be unlocked.

This point has been commented on - seems a fair one. However, as a recent member, I am not sure how to do this procedure - the Site is not always clear and I have been given lots of assistance by helpful members through this Forum - hence the reply to the original thread.
Plim confused

If you click on 'help' in the left-hand column (which is really the obvious place to look for help), a page opens with an obvious logo saying 'support ticket'. Click on that. Easy.
Where did the term "support ticket" come from ??
never been in a queue where you had to take a ticket and wait for your number to come up?

6 Jan 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
If a thread is locked and someone pm's a Mod about it, giving a good enough reason for it to be opened then it would be looked at. Im not saying it would, or wouldnt be reopended, but we would discuss it, and then give the person who sent the pm, a decision. Posts have been reopened in the past, and Im sure they will in the future.
It is a case of cant do right for doing wrong. If we leave threads open, people complain, if we lock them people complain,

Well admin have said NO threads have ever been re-opened, but you are saying they have? Am interested to know which is an accurate statement.
Kentswingers I have no loyalties on the site, am NOT in any cliques and don't kiss ass to gain favour, I say it as I see it, but some of your statements, like the one above, just seem to be trouble stirring, argumentative and provocative.
I say this because it's my opinion, and freedom of speech is being exercised here!!
You said earlier that you wanted this to be a discussion, though you seem to be trying to push it into something else with the above statement, chill out for God's sake and just enjoy the bits you like about the place, ignore the bits you don't or use the "Cancel Account" button.
:shock:

6 Jan 2008

Quote by Srne
If a thread is locked and someone pm's a Mod about it, giving a good enough reason for it to be opened then it would be looked at. Im not saying it would, or wouldnt be reopended, but we would discuss it, and then give the person who sent the pm, a decision. Posts have been reopened in the past, and Im sure they will in the future.
It is a case of cant do right for doing wrong. If we leave threads open, people complain, if we lock them people complain,

Well admin have said NO threads have ever been re-opened, but you are saying they have? Am interested to know which is an accurate statement.
You said earlier that you wanted this to be a discussion, though you seem to be trying to push it into something else with the above statement, chill out for God's sake and just enjoy the bits you like about the place, ignore the bits you don't or use the "Cancel Account" button.
:shock:
With respect here, you could have also chosen to ignore my comment, but chose not too! Sometimes like yourself here, it is hard to " ignore " something no matter how hard you try. We love this site but....there are a few things we don't like, but still have the right to answer something, just like everyone else can on this site. Not going to say anything else, for fear of upsetting anybody else. :shock:

6 Jan 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
With respect here, you could have also chosen to ignore my comment, but chose not too! Sometimes like yourself here, it is hard to " ignore " something no matter how hard you try. We love this site but....there are a few things we don't like, but still have the right to answer something, just like everyone else can on this site. Not going to say anything else, for fear of upsetting anybody else. :shock:

Of course you have the right to answer things, and also to ask for clarification on answers given.
Keep posting, Kent - people will agree, and disagree, but you certainly add lively debate to the forums :thumbup:

6 Jan 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
If a thread is locked and someone pm's a Mod about it, giving a good enough reason for it to be opened then it would be looked at. Im not saying it would, or wouldnt be reopended, but we would discuss it, and then give the person who sent the pm, a decision. Posts have been reopened in the past, and Im sure they will in the future.
It is a case of cant do right for doing wrong. If we leave threads open, people complain, if we lock them people complain,

Well admin have said NO threads have ever been re-opened, but you are saying they have? Am interested to know which is an accurate statement.
You said earlier that you wanted this to be a discussion, though you seem to be trying to push it into something else with the above statement, chill out for God's sake and just enjoy the bits you like about the place, ignore the bits you don't or use the "Cancel Account" button.
:shock:
With respect here, you could have also chosen to ignore my comment, but chose not too! Sometimes like yourself here, it is hard to " ignore " something no matter how hard you try. We love this site but....there are a few things we don't like, but still have the right to answer something, just like everyone else can on this site. Not going to say anything else, for fear of upsetting anybody else. :shock:
Errr yeah you kind of check mated me there a bit :doh:
And I really hate it when I'm VERY occasionally wrong!!
I think a better answer may have been, that somethings on the site will NOT change no matter how many times they are brought up, argued about or picked over.
Locked threads will still get locked if the Mod who has read it deems it necessary to do so, all the Mods are different in their approach to certain aspects/situations and discrepancies that happen on the site.
You will no doubt be aware that on here, just as in everyday life, you will agree with some things, disagree with others, but on the whole in a system such as SH employs, you will just have to put up with the bits you don't like (I wont say ignore word again :shock: fell right into my own noose there).
Many people have tried to change things on the site that they didn't like/agree with, I have watched threads unfold, been involved directly in some my self and even had a temporary ban for stepping over the AUP's in the vain hope that my point would be the one that got through.
The one thing that I have learned is that the system in place in SH, and the Mod's that enforce it, do so to keep it the place that we and you have come to love even with those bits we don't like so much.

6 Jan 2008

Quote by Cherrytree

With respect here, you could have also chosen to ignore my comment, but chose not too! Sometimes like yourself here, it is hard to " ignore " something no matter how hard you try. We love this site but....there are a few things we don't like, but still have the right to answer something, just like everyone else can on this site. Not going to say anything else, for fear of upsetting anybody else. :shock:

Of course you have the right to answer things, and also to ask for clarification on answers given.
Keep posting, Kent - people will agree, and disagree, but you certainly add lively debate to the forums :thumbup:
Thankyou very much for your comment. Lively debate is a good thing, and long may it continue to be so. lol

6 Jan 2008

Quote by Srne
If a thread is locked and someone pm's a Mod about it, giving a good enough reason for it to be opened then it would be looked at. Im not saying it would, or wouldnt be reopended, but we would discuss it, and then give the person who sent the pm, a decision. Posts have been reopened in the past, and Im sure they will in the future.
It is a case of cant do right for doing wrong. If we leave threads open, people complain, if we lock them people complain,

Well admin have said NO threads have ever been re-opened, but you are saying they have? Am interested to know which is an accurate statement.
You said earlier that you wanted this to be a discussion, though you seem to be trying to push it into something else with the above statement, chill out for God's sake and just enjoy the bits you like about the place, ignore the bits you don't or use the "Cancel Account" button.
:shock:
With respect here, you could have also chosen to ignore my comment, but chose not too! Sometimes like yourself here, it is hard to " ignore " something no matter how hard you try. We love this site but....there are a few things we don't like, but still have the right to answer something, just like everyone else can on this site. Not going to say anything else, for fear of upsetting anybody else. :shock:
Errr yeah you kind of check mated me there a bit :doh:
And I really hate it when I'm VERY occasionally wrong!!
I think a better answer may have been, that somethings on the site will NOT change no matter how many times they are brought up, argued about or picked over.
Locked threads will still get locked if the Mod who has read it deems it necessary to do so, all the Mods are different in their approach to certain aspects/situations and discrepancies that happen on the site.
You will no doubt be aware that on here, just as in everyday life, you will agree with some things, disagree with others, but on the whole in a system such as SH employs, you will just have to put up with the bits you don't like (I wont say ignore word again :shock: fell right into my own noose there).
Many people have tried to change things on the site that they didn't like/agree with, I have watched threads unfold, been involved directly in some my self and even had a temporary ban for stepping over the AUP's in the vain hope that my point would be the one that got through.
The one thing that I have learned is that the system in place in SH, and the Mod's that enforce it, do so to keep it the place that we and you have come to love even with those bits we don't like so much.
Dont't think I checked mated you, or that you are wrong or right. You had an opinion and am glad that you expressed it. This is what it should all be about, lively debate between people. Members are never going to agree on everything, and that normally leads to arguements of sorts.
We really love this site, and I have said many times before, without the Mods and Ops this site would be a nightmare in a week. Thanks for your replies, now where is that cancel account button again?? lol

:lol: :lol:

6 Jan 2008

The last thing I will add to this (cause Im cant think of anything else sensible to say, and I dont often do sensible) is that you can always be assured that if Admin or a Mod do lock a thread, there is always a very good reason. The reason may not always be obvious to members of the site, but it is always done for a good reason and for the good of the site.
However, as I said, we are human (well apart from Sarge) and if you feel that a thread should be unlocked, then get in touch, either via pm to the Mod or via the Contact Us button over there <<<<<<< The locked thread will always be looked at and discussed.

6 Jan 2008

Mods don't get paid, but they do get snogs and shags!!!!
:bounce:
How do I become a Mod confused

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Plim :bounce:

6 Jan 2008

Quote by Plimboy
Mods don't get paid, but they do get snogs and shags!!!!
:bounce:

How do I become a Mod confused

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Plim :bounce:
I wouldn't bother, I'm still waiting on mine rolleyes

6 Jan 2008

Quote by Dawnie
Mods don't get paid, but they do get snogs and shags!!!!
:bounce:

How do I become a Mod confused

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Plim :bounce:
I wouldn't bother, I'm still waiting on mine rolleyes

Know the feeling, Im thinking of checking the Trade Descriptions Act for false advertisement wink

8 Jan 2008

I suppose the "bottom line" on this, is really that nobody likes to have their assumed right to free speech chopped off :!:
Plim rolleyes

8 Jan 2008

Quote by Plimboy
I suppose the "bottom line" on this, is really that nobody likes to have their assumed right to free speech chopped off :!:
Plim

Nobody's right to free speech has been chopped off; you agree to abide by the AUP when you join and threads are locked when they breach AUP. Simple.

8 Jan 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
I suppose the "bottom line" on this, is really that nobody likes to have their assumed right to free speech chopped off :!:
Plim

Nobody's right to free speech has been chopped off; you agree to abide by the AUP when you join and threads are locked when they breach AUP. Simple.
Dont always have to break AUP rules to have the threads locked. cool

8 Jan 2008

Quote by Davinaukcd
And that decision is made how? By a committee who review the content of the thread, consider all potential issues and agree that no-one could possibly have anything to add? Or by opinion?

i think on busy forums like this, with long established members, the general consensus is that's it usually better to bump an existing thread, than start new one on a long discussed topic. it's not that noone could possibly have anything to add? it's about encouraging new users to post in the most appropriate place. the other kinds of lock are generally obvious for all to see. ;)
those new to the forum will see at the top of page one, as a current thread inviting replies, just as easily, and if they have an interest in the topic, they'll generally post on the one that's bumped, so it's not about excluding people, or stifling free speech.
the advantage is that the original posters might well come back on, when otherwise they would probably have strolled right past yet timewaster thread, possibly with a completely different opinion to the one they posted 6 months back. it's about making sure that everyone has room to post on a forum that is easily swamped.
neil x x x ;)

9 Jan 2008

Quote by neilinleeds
And that decision is made how? By a committee who review the content of the thread, consider all potential issues and agree that no-one could possibly have anything to add? Or by opinion?

i think on busy forums like this, with long established members, the general consensus is that's it usually better to bump an existing thread, than start new one on a long discussed topic. it's not that noone could possibly have anything to add? it's about encouraging new users to post in the most appropriate place. the other kinds of lock are generally obvious for all to see. ;)
those new to the forum will see at the top of page one, as a current thread inviting replies, just as easily, and if they have an interest in the topic, they'll generally post on the one that's bumped, so it's not about excluding people, or stifling free speech.
the advantage is that the original posters might well come back on, when otherwise they would probably have strolled right past yet timewaster thread, possibly with a completely different opinion to the one they posted 6 months back. it's about making sure that everyone has room to post on a forum that is easily swamped.
neil x x x ;)
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I'm not so sure that this is the case Neil with respect mate. If one was to really try then the history of topics will produce something about something already written. In which case wouldn't bumping old threads just make the content of the paige 'old hat' Some stuff written by members who have possibly been and gone and forum people who have been on here from the word dot or are gobby as heck (myself included for sure)
At least by starting new threads. even on old topics it gets new blood sometimes and even the older members can choose to either post on it or not either way it will read differently from a re-hashed one. Also if it is a bumped popular topic with pages and pages of posts, someone may not want to read the whole thread before adding a post of their own.
I'd also like to add that some of my viewpoints have changed since reading forums. In which case my posts might differ from each other on the same topic possibly 2 years apart.
One thing I would like to see is the post count thing dissapear I really dont see the point., And maybe a forum cellar... Some specific place in which all the topics and posts get thrown into (just one place) when they get to, say a year old still with a search facitlity of course . This way all posts in the differing sectrions would be relatively new but the option to regurgitate still there.

9 Jan 2008

If one was to really try then the history of topics will produce something about something already written.

yes, exactly. it's been written, and read, many times. there are few new conversations under the sun?

In which case wouldn't bumping old threads just make the content of the page 'old hat'

no more old hat than a new thread on an existing topic? possibly less so, cos you can always hijack an old thread to fuck if it seems to have run it's course. lol

there's only so many times you can type up the same reply to the same thread, for the 20th time, at which point, you just stop replying to them, cos they no longer demand your attention. ;) new threads including new members are fine, but new threads that exclude old members are less desirable?
the advantage of an existing thread is that you can choose to reply to any single person over x amount of years, and bump it back into life? it just ain't gonna happen in the same way on a new thread, cos it inevitably has a much smaller number of contributors, a much smaller audience, and tends to invite negative, and sometimes even personally argumentative comments, at which point a lock seems a sensible course of action? ;) not had one on this thread yet? ;)
on the subject of post-counts, join-dates, and forum archives, there's an interesting thread here BTW?
rotflmao

:lol: ;)
:P
n x x x ;)

9 Jan 2008

Neil!

I'm laughimg at you for leading me to ancient thread..... Locked :rotflmao)
As for dragging up old threads I still don't reckon on that score, though isn't it great to disagree in a nice polite way. As i do respect think about and appreciate your view points they are well cool

At least if a topic is re-initiated by a newer contribultor then, it may come across in a different way, and run a slightly different course which is well good :thumbup: The fact that a thread goes downhill sad

is a reflection more on the impatience maybe of older contributors. Who, have seen it all before and lose patience with it rather than the newer members having their say.
And lets face it if a newer contributor puts in what they consider a new topic. or one even that needs to be re-run in their own words, that is at least giving someone a chance to start up threads and integrate them into forum life maybe. As if each time someone does rewrite an old thread and the immediate response is that we 'older seen them all before contributors' immediately use the rolleyes

emoticon and/or just put up a link to an existing topic or go off one saying "blah blah blah this topic has been done to death whinge" well it must be a little off putting to a newer poster to have it happen when all they want to do is break into the forum club.
Just my thoughts on this thats all . Oh and i still think ythe post count thing is shite biggrin

and i still think that after a year all threads should drop off into a celler somewhere. Mind you i have had my views changed by forum discussiob btw so discussion does work :D for instance .................................................. I now think homeowners aren't quite so bad wink

:lol:

9 Jan 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I suppose the "bottom line" on this, is really that nobody likes to have their assumed right to free speech chopped off :!:
Plim

Nobody's right to free speech has been chopped off; you agree to abide by the AUP when you join and threads are locked when they breach AUP. Simple.
Dont always have to break AUP rules to have the threads locked. cool

No but Mods have been known to lock threads because its quite possible that someone may break the AUP at anytime in that thread...and locking is better than banning...don't you think?

9 Jan 2008

Mods have been known to lock threads because its quite possible that someone may break the AUP at anytime in that thread...and locking is better than banning...don't you think?

now there's a toughie? seriously! it's like Tom Cruise doing a Minority Report? pre-science ain't . . . well . . . science?
if someone really wants to break AUP, and finds themselves easily pushed over that particular little boundary, should a Mod step in to save them from themselves? dunno

when people go all out to push people over the boundary, in a pseudo-mod kinda way, entirely within the AUP, should a Mod step in there as well? :?
i don't like locks on threads, but i can see the reasoning? which means . . . ummm . . . i'm actually agreeing with you? :shock: how the fook did that happen? lol

;)
n x x x ;)
p.s. i write this as someone who's interpretation of AUP was loose enough to see me banned many times over, had i had a button to push? genuine question in the context of this thread? ;)

9 Jan 2008

Quote by neilinleeds
Mods have been known to lock threads because its quite possible that someone may break the AUP at anytime in that thread...and locking is better than banning...don't you think?

now there's a toughie? seriously! if someone really wants to break AUP, and finds themselves easily pushed over that particular little boundary, should a Mod step in to save them from themselves? dunno

when people go all out to push people over the boundary, in a pseudo-mod kinda way, entirely within the AUP, should a Mod step in there as well? :?
i don't like locks on threads, but i can see the reasoning? which means . . . ummm . . . i'm actually agreeing with you? :shock: how the fook did that happen? lol

;)
n x x x ;)
p.s. i write this as someone who's interpretation of AUP was loose enough to see me banned many times over, had i had a button to push? genuine question in the context of this thread? ;)
have you banged your head? wink

9 Jan 2008

Ooooh I so want to lock this thread!! confused

:? :?

:lol: :lol: wink

9 Jan 2008

My personal opinion is that if I see that a person is heading to the airport to catch his/her flight to banned island and I can gently persuade them to watch what they are posting so that they don't get out the taxi.. then I will do so.
I look upon my roll here as primarily a guiding and helpful one not a chastising one, all us ops and mods feel the same way.
We would rather help and guide members than ban them.

9 Jan 2008

Quote by woohoo
I look upon my roll here as primarily a guiding and helpful one not a chastising one, all us ops and mods feel the same way.

Oih!!! You speak for yourself!! :shock: :shock: :shock: lol

:lol:

Right - who wants a good chastising?? :rascal: :rascal: :rascal:

9 Jan 2008

Quote by woohoo
My personal opinion is that if I see that a person is heading to the airport to catch his/her flight to banned island and I can gently persuade them to watch what they are posting so that they don't get out the taxi.. then I will do so.

I could do with a holiday. Next time just push me on the sodding plane :lol2:

9 Jan 2008

Quote by Sgt Bilko

Right - who wants a good chastising?? :rascal: :rascal: :rascal:

There's always one eh!!! rolleyes

:roll:

9 Jan 2008

Quote by Dawnie
I could do with a holiday. Next time just push me on the sodding plane :lol2:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

9 Jan 2008

Quote by Dawnie
I could do with a holiday. Next time just push me on the sodding plane :lol2:

Can I hide in your cleavage please Dawnie? :P