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:thumbup: Luck... or good genes/great parenting!
Hi, i do a bit of DIY and when i refurbished say a whole kitchen or bathroom etc, friends and family would say "oh that looks great, did you do that" with a suprising twang in their voice as if i was fibbing. Worst still, whenever i have plans to redevelop something like just recently undertaking a loft coversion my ex would say something like "are you sure you can do that" with a voice of no confidence which drove me crazy and ending up with a row.
- Cherrytree, if i could have a talent i wish i could sing. I kneel before you ;-) -
DIY is all about preparation in my view and joe bloggs does not know that. It takes me twice as long as an inexperienced person to do a job. But the job will be done right first time with quality and no waste or rework. This is down to preparation not luck. In saying that though i am not perfect and sometimes if i make a mistake it may happen that luck covers it up. Hope that doesn't sound like a contradiction....
Westgate
- Cherrytree, if i could have a talent i wish i could sing. I kneel before you ;-) -
DIY is all about preparation in my view and joe bloggs does not know that. It takes me twice as long as an inexperienced person to do a job. But the job will be done right first time with quality and no waste or rework. This is down to preparation not luck. In saying that though i am not perfect and sometimes if i make a mistake it may happen that luck covers it up. Hope that doesn't sound like a contradiction....
Westgate
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I'm with your there Flower. I teach - engineers to use computer systems, but that isn't the point.
The point is that the managers in the business think that what I do is stand at the front of a room and talk - and we all know any idiot can do that. Therefore anyone can teach complex relational databases with multiple inputs and workflows that only work when exactly the correct steps have been taken in the first place.
We fight a constant battle to convince the businesses that it really isn't cheaper to get whoever happens to know a tad more about the new super-dooper computer system than the other guys to chat through it and 'get them going'.
What do we do? We spend enough time to understand not only how the system works, but how our business will be using it. We often write the very working practices that the businesses will be following. We also write the support material and help guidance which we support on the internal web. Then and only then, we actually write the training material itself, checked not only for spelling and technical accuracy, but also for runability, timings, natural break, review points and more.
We then test the course internally and with the subject matter experts. THEN we deliver it. All through the course we are monitoring the learners, have they picked up the important points, are they doing the activities correctly, are they understanding the underlying message at each stage?
Each learner completes a course review - did they enjoy it, did they find it useful, will they use the information? And these feed in to course improvements. The trainer also marks their own material with improvements they want to input - often drawn from the responses of the learners during the course.
Oh, no, they're right - teaching is just a matter of standing there and talking! FFS.
The point is that the managers in the business think that what I do is stand at the front of a room and talk - and we all know any idiot can do that. Therefore anyone can teach complex relational databases with multiple inputs and workflows that only work when exactly the correct steps have been taken in the first place.
We fight a constant battle to convince the businesses that it really isn't cheaper to get whoever happens to know a tad more about the new super-dooper computer system than the other guys to chat through it and 'get them going'.
What do we do? We spend enough time to understand not only how the system works, but how our business will be using it. We often write the very working practices that the businesses will be following. We also write the support material and help guidance which we support on the internal web. Then and only then, we actually write the training material itself, checked not only for spelling and technical accuracy, but also for runability, timings, natural break, review points and more.
We then test the course internally and with the subject matter experts. THEN we deliver it. All through the course we are monitoring the learners, have they picked up the important points, are they doing the activities correctly, are they understanding the underlying message at each stage?
Each learner completes a course review - did they enjoy it, did they find it useful, will they use the information? And these feed in to course improvements. The trainer also marks their own material with improvements they want to input - often drawn from the responses of the learners during the course.
Oh, no, they're right - teaching is just a matter of standing there and talking! FFS.
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Sorry about the rant.
Hey Foxy,
i can see what you are going thru and no worries bout the rant its nice to hear people coming across the same probs and not just appening to me and close colleagues. My career is in IT - service mgt, business analysis, process re-engineering etc and when i do some complex work and implement i can just tell that others are looking at it and thinking, what's all the fuss about its not that hard ! Would love to somehow turn the tables somehow and unprofessionally say ok well you do the next service improvement piece of work and see how they get on - would love to see that :-).
Westgate.
i can see what you are going thru and no worries bout the rant its nice to hear people coming across the same probs and not just appening to me and close colleagues. My career is in IT - service mgt, business analysis, process re-engineering etc and when i do some complex work and implement i can just tell that others are looking at it and thinking, what's all the fuss about its not that hard ! Would love to somehow turn the tables somehow and unprofessionally say ok well you do the next service improvement piece of work and see how they get on - would love to see that :-).
Westgate.
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Hey Foxy,
i can see what you are going thru and no worries bout the rant its nice to hear people coming across the same probs and not just appening to me and close colleagues. My career is in IT - service mgt, business analysis, process re-engineering etc and when i do some complex work and implement i can just tell that others are looking at it and thinking, what's all the fuss about its not that hard ! Would love to somehow turn the tables somehow and unprofessionally say ok well you do the next service improvement piece of work and see how they get on - would love to see that :-).
Westgate.
And let's not get into the ever-shortening deadlines shall we? :giggle:
My work involves making things and fixing things usually in peoples homes. On the making side its left to me to create things and people are usually more than pleased with the results.
But its on the 'small jobs' side where I encounter a few situations. Some problems have a legacy, and the owners have asked other tradesmen to do the work; and they have either tried or not bothered. This they don't tell you and will often stand by and watch you go through the whole silly process and then you eventualy realise, its futile. But they will still continue asking other people to have a go; in the hope that there may be a solution.
Another situation is where they start to produce all sorts of bits and pieces which they have either saved or messed up themselves or bought the wrong thing completely, again in the hope that you will be able to sort it all out and turn it into what they need doing. Again its futile.
Then there are them that have thought it all out for you, and go into a description of how they want it done. Their interest being more in how you work compared to what you produce.
Generally I can see these things coming and don't do the work, because its going to be a poor performance all round.
Also people have this language about things. They describe someon'e work as being fantastic, and how they must have been geniuses to achieve something. that's usually when you have assembled a flat pack from Ikea. Yet they have no understanding of engineering, medicine, science the arts etc. and easily dismiss them as intellectual crap.
But its on the 'small jobs' side where I encounter a few situations. Some problems have a legacy, and the owners have asked other tradesmen to do the work; and they have either tried or not bothered. This they don't tell you and will often stand by and watch you go through the whole silly process and then you eventualy realise, its futile. But they will still continue asking other people to have a go; in the hope that there may be a solution.
Another situation is where they start to produce all sorts of bits and pieces which they have either saved or messed up themselves or bought the wrong thing completely, again in the hope that you will be able to sort it all out and turn it into what they need doing. Again its futile.
Then there are them that have thought it all out for you, and go into a description of how they want it done. Their interest being more in how you work compared to what you produce.
Generally I can see these things coming and don't do the work, because its going to be a poor performance all round.
Also people have this language about things. They describe someon'e work as being fantastic, and how they must have been geniuses to achieve something. that's usually when you have assembled a flat pack from Ikea. Yet they have no understanding of engineering, medicine, science the arts etc. and easily dismiss them as intellectual crap.
Quote by Westgate
Hi, i do a bit of DIY and when i refurbished say a whole kitchen or bathroom etc, friends and family would say "oh that looks great, did you do that" with a suprising twang in their voice as if i was fibbing. Worst still, whenever i have plans to redevelop something like just recently undertaking a loft coversion my ex would say something like "are you sure you can do that" with a voice of no confidence which drove me crazy and ending up with a row.
- Cherrytree, if i could have a talent i wish i could sing. I kneel before you ;-) -
DIY is all about preparation in my view and joe bloggs does not know that. It takes me twice as long as an inexperienced person to do a job. But the job will be done right first time with quality and no waste or rework. This is down to preparation not luck. In saying that though i am not perfect and sometimes if i make a mistake it may happen that luck covers it up. Hope that doesn't sound like a contradiction....
Westgate
Strangly enough most of my partners in life have derided my skills and abilities to do things. Or simply not actually liked what I do; which is fair enough. But they seemed to forget it's what I do for a living. Even then they tried to hold a doubtful discussion about my abilities to do a job.
I actually think that a lot of people envy others who get to do things for real. Which is where all that demeaning talk and behaviour comes from.
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Interesting question Flower!
My job (singer) is the opposite, in a way - it's physically hard work, but the actual performing is dead easy - if you can hold a tune, you could do my job - anything else is just experience - but many people think they couldn't do it.
That's interesting are you a classical type or modern singer? I ask because I did some classical training for a few years. Liked some of it, had some fun, but didn't pursue it.
I had a very similar experience over the weekend whilst repairing my shed with my son.
He commented on how easy the job had been and moaned that he had done most of the physical stuff whilst I sat around drinking tea.
We had a long discussion about the importance of planning.
I recall my wife once awoke in the morning to a newly tiled kitchen which Id managed in about 4 hours because I had planned it such that I hardly needed to cut a tile.
My old dad used to say that an ounce of preparation is worth a pound of work.
He commented on how easy the job had been and moaned that he had done most of the physical stuff whilst I sat around drinking tea.
We had a long discussion about the importance of planning.
I recall my wife once awoke in the morning to a newly tiled kitchen which Id managed in about 4 hours because I had planned it such that I hardly needed to cut a tile.
My old dad used to say that an ounce of preparation is worth a pound of work.
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I can do most diy I always do it alone though 
I am not doing it wrong I am doing it differently :angel:
I am not doing it wrong I am doing it differently :angel:
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Hey DuncanLondon, like your comments. Can i ask why you did not pursue your singing? God i think it is a gift sent from heaven if someone can sing and with training that sounds magnificent.
Westgate.
Well kids come along and life goes on etc. So I had to let it go and make a living. Which is a big point when doing the arts, having to live on next to nothing. So if its all you can do or want to do its a good choice. But I had other skills with which I could make a living, and I had to employ those instead. I would say I had a voice with some potential, but I came to it late in life.
Also I wasn't a musician as such and could not read the dots with any competence, making learning a bit by bit process. Along with the complexity of languages etc, it seemed like a massive hill to climb. So the prospects of a career were unlikely. So I suppose I could always take it up as a hobby again, maybe with jazz.
Its a strange world the arts. For a lot of the time you are completely ignored and you meet all the wrong people. Also there is a middle area, where its all very encouraging but you can me mislead into spending out on duff teachers and hopeless projects. Then you can become very good and suddenly you are in amongst the most competitive environment you can imagine.
There's no balance and it can be very upsetting on all your emotions. Plus you need support from the people around you and not to be struggling on your own. So a lot of the people who do well are quite thick skinned and tremendously fit and robust, often quite unlike the image you expect them to live up to.
Quote by Cherrytree
Interesting question Flower!
My job (singer) is the opposite, in a way - it's physically hard work, but the actual performing is dead easy - if you can hold a tune, you could do my job - anything else is just experience - but many people think they couldn't do it.
cherry your not susan boyle in disguise are you ?????????? :shock: :shock:
steve
Thanks for the inside lane on what happens in the arts. I know absolutely nothing about the arts. I did telesales selling adverts in theatre programmes up and down the country for my first job which is bout as close to the arts i ever got. Oh, i forgot, i went to see the moscow state ballet perform Dracula and that was great.
Apologies for digressing from the subject.
Westgate.
Apologies for digressing from the subject.
Westgate.
