God spoke.....LOL
Is that your opinion or the opinion of the site.
As a moderator on other sites its very difficult
The Marquis de Sade was twisted and cruel too
personal opinion
end of personal opinion
lp
This is such a bad idea !!! This is a swinging site not a cheating site!!!
Cheating on your partner is not swinging!!!
Only posting to support my "No" vote.
Don't wanna get into the married/playing away palaver so sticking to the topic of having a new category, I voted No 'cos as Fabio suggested, we should then have "black" category or maybe fat/thin/ginga/short/tall/fugly etc etc .... could go on forever.
As someone said, there are plenty of specialist sites that cater for people in James' situation so why not use those if this doesn't work for you? If it didn't work for me, I wouldn't hang about.
As (I think!) Jags said - there's several improvements that could be made to this site but a new category for the married/playing away isn't one of them.
I assume that this thread has been engineered as some kind of response to Hannahrose and her thread. Where it would appear that Hannah is an openly cheating woman, marketing for sex on the site.
Two very different threads and very different response by a variety of players and the settings in which they wish to selectively and cunningly apply their debating skills. But both with the same underlying issue.
Just like me using this an an opportunity to debate a point of view.
Its unlikely that most of us are quite as open as we would like to think. Possibly here on the site, maybe in secretive meetings and sessions. But we don't put this on our cv's, we don't tell our doctors, head teachers, and many of our friends. That's cheating also. Because one is being fundamentaly dishonest with other people.
After all honesty is a free agent is it not? Its gets about whatever joy or destruction it produces?
Or at least, what you don't know, we think you don't need to know. Hmmmmmm.....? The classic cheaters response.
Cheating goes on and always will for a variety of reasons. Some more understandable than others. But its suffers from more prejudice than the deceit involved in leading a swinging lifestyle. The exposed swinger could just about carry it off and more or less live it down by carefully playing a role.
The adulterer has little or no recompense, they are condemned for life. Or seemingly so, unless they escape to a far flung flesh pot, and have a superb libido.
The reasons and consequences are just simply the price on the head of cheating, but there's also a price on swinging. We all know what those debts are and that they could be called in any day.
Swinging is adultery. Its unavoidable as a couple have decided to break the rules. Cheating involves the choice of an individual within a couple. Perhaps most are thick as thieves in their complicity. But so what? Its all about crossing lines and barriers in a variety of ways.
Where and when do you introduce selective levels of honesty and integrity without it being almost entirely what's suitable for you at that time in your life? Having forfeited one level you go on to another, because you want to , need to and in some cases have to.
And is it also about doing this in the UK, where archaic values and morals can still be invoked selectively and sometimes despicably ? Hmmmmmm....... and another hmmmmmmmm.....
Also perhaps the narrowed exclusive focus on the principles of swinging conveniently avoids the ugly subject of cheating, and many other aspects of adult behaviour; because it lurks there in the background for all the site members. In other words as long as you don't raise the subject all is well in the cuddly world. Alternatively 'you can do what you think you need to do, just don't crap on our life'. So is that an equally healthy point of view or stance to take on life issues? Well its arguable because its relevant in many personal ways.
But as far as declaring it on the site or one's profile, that appears to have been always avaliable to do, should you so wish; one just writes it into the profile or says it in an email. Again the idea of introduing a badge or recognition facility is likely to lead to the expectation that one has potentially found a soul buddy as well as a fuck buddy. Which opens up another area of debate.
Swinging heaven is a site for swingers, whether active or not.
What you are referring to (whatever it's rights or wrongs) is facilitating infidelity. That is not what swinging is about. It is catered for elsewhere.
I'm a big girl, and I understand that peoples reasons for playing away vary. That's why the sparkling new less judgemental me didn't comment initially on another thread in the forum. I didn't know the facts.
You might also argue that a single person having a relationship with a couple is wrong. This could be seen as encouraging the female member to play by herself as many female partners do.
Perhaps when Atom has been in a relationship for 20-30 years his opinions might soften a bit.
I play alone, with a single guy. Theres no cheating involved.
We all get something from it in different ways. And FYI, I've been married for over 18 years.
I haven't had the chance to say :welcome: to the forums yet, so there it is.
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