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Whilst I appreciate that we're on a swinging site, I do still have some morals. I had a PM conversation with someone who said that he ticked all my boxes (so to speak) apart from one and on looking at his profile I knew immediately which one. So when I advised him that I wasn't interested as he was married he said that it was "a contradiction to be on a swinging site and have morals". :shock: :undecided:
Now I realise I'm a bit on the fussy side and most of my questions on my profile are pretty flexible... except one. I don't play with married men who are playing away from home without their partner's knowledge. That's my choice. I prefer it when someone is honest about it on their profile because I know a lot of people here don't have the same rules as me. That's their choice.
It's all about informed consent after all. :thumbup:
The comment struck me as quite a big generalisation really but it made me wonder whether people do, in fact, think that because we swing we have no morals?
Any thoughts?
i myself also have the 'no married' rule as i see it swinging for me means consent and that a married person playing without his /her partners consent is cheating and not being that open ... and if they are lying to their loving partner how honest are they being with themselves ... although i also must admit i dont go about asking potential playmates in clubs or at parties if they are married ... perhaps double standards as the information can be added to a profile and the profile can be read
feel like i am waffling now so gonna leave it for now
I think to hold onto some morals and still be able to and maintain this lifestyle is normal. I believe in that way you are being true to yourself, as at the end of the day you are only answerable to your own conscience.
Hope that make sense!
Good question - I had a similar debate with a married guy (member) who wanted a shag and has taken to calling me 'mr responsible' now in Chat as I said 'no way, I've met your wife at socials!' (and she doesn't know he's bi).
The honest answer is though I have and likely will shag married/partnered guys again but if I know beforehand - i.e. if they volunteer the information then I tend to air on the side of caution if it's a local thing (the northeast ain't that big a place). Kinda damage limitation or risk management I guess - more to do with this than some deep moral reason.
I go Dogging too and beyond attraction, good personal hygiene and a huge cock :shock: , you really don't know what people's personal circumstances are. Although wedding bands and baby seats in the car are always a give away :rascal: So to preach morals on this issue for me would be hypocritcal I guess.
There is another way of looking at it though - married guys tend not to become stalkers/hangers on in the same way that some unattached guys do - this is certainly true of some gay guys and I'm sure of some straight guys, women etc too. As a guy who is happily partnered and plays with his partner's permission (as does he) and sometimes with his partner (some people like a bloke sandwich) :twisted:, the last thing I want is people wanting marriage and to go out picking wallpaper with me cool confused
I use this site predominantly because of the type of guys I go for and the opportunity for some female involvement/watching/sharing/facilitating (which I have now discovered I find hot lol ) and also because after shagging a few (ahem!) gay guys from another site and one of them sending me 17 texts in an hour, I just don't want that kind of hassle! Hence why married guys might be a more attractive option - i.e. you don't get the bunny boiler syndrome kicking in as often in my experience. I'm sure some members on here can/will prove that theory wrong though and have horrendous examples of 'stalkers' etc etc
Sorry, I'm waffling DG but your post is very timely right now... I might come back and waffle a little more later...
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Good question - I had a similar debate with a married guy (member) who wanted a shag and has taken to calling me 'mr responsible' now in Chat as I said 'no way, I've met your wife at socials!' (and she doesn't know he's bi).

Hark....look at Mr Responsible bolt
Dave_Notts
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Good question - I had a similar debate with a married guy (member) who wanted a shag and has taken to calling me 'mr responsible' now in Chat as I said 'no way, I've met your wife at socials!' (and she doesn't know he's bi).

Hark....look at Mr Responsible bolt
Dave_Notts
Shut up - I'm still not shagging you and stop begging on MSN, it's NEVER attractive!
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To me a well written profile with a detailed and carfully worded information doesnt mean you're fussy. It means you're taking the time and effort to let others know not to waste their own time and effort.
The choices you make when meeting anyone are always going to be based on your preferences. The moral code you chose to live by is a part of this.
The term 'swinging' covers a big area and means different things to different people - it's not just a bowl full of car keys at a party! Joining a swinging site doesn't necessarily mean you'll shag anyone and everyone, you're not expected to abandon your moral code before you join and you're not obliged to meet anyone.
People think that just because you're a swinger that you'll shag all and sundry but how wrong they are!
While there may be people who WILL shag anything with a pulse ( I find vanillas are the worst culprits though rolleyes ) I do have morals and some rules I abide by. I have the 'no marrieds/attached' rule for guys and a lower age limit. It's something that's no entirely written in stone ( as in marrieds swinging with their partner's full consent or mature younger guys ) but it's a strict guideline.
Tell me - who are the ones with no morals? The swinger who is careful over who they sleep with and insist on safe sex every time or the vanilla guy/girl who goes out every weekend pissing it up and shags the first one who picks them up?
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Morals in a swinging lifestyle? confused
It's a matter of 'degrees of separation'
My mother would disown me if she knew what I did with my recreational time - her perception of me will be several 'degrees of separation' from the norm.
Some Self opinionated singles, cheating adulterers or conniving two-timers within an open relationship wont think twice about using 'degrees of separation' to browbeat & coerce objects of desire toward their own selfish gain such as in DG's case mad
We all use our own 'degrees of separation' to gauge what we will & will not do within our vanilla & swinging lifestyles.
A lack of respect toward an individual's wishes is morally wrong!
An individual's own 'degrees of separation' does not need to be explained to anyone & no-one has the right to challenge it!
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People think that just because you're a swinger that you'll shag all and sundry but how wrong they are!
redface A simple fuck off rpm your not my type will suffice! surprisedops:
Warning!!!!
The discussion of morals anwhere is a lifelong conversation, the discussion of morals on a swinging site is almost always SCARY and inconclusive with lots of liars and casualties.
Peace
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Warning!!!!
The discussion of morals anwhere is a lifelong conversation, the discussion of morals on a swinging site is almost always SCARY and inconclusive with lots of liars and casualties.
Peace

Yes - but do you have morals? After all you go Dogging and shag in department stores (allegedly), you can't be that fussy... lol
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Warning!!!!
The discussion of morals anwhere is a lifelong conversation, the discussion of morals on a swinging site is almost always SCARY and inconclusive with lots of liars and casualties.
Peace

I'm not in any rush G... take your time. lol
I'm sure it probably is an inconclusive discussion and I'm sure I probably do contradict myself with the marrieds thing, as has been said the whole dogging/clubbing thing and that's not to mention those I've fucked who are married but lied about it to me. I have my own reasons for not playing with people who are here without the consent of their partner, which in fact has nothing to do with my time in the swinging scene but something that happened in a previous relationship. Let's just say I've got that particular t-shirt and it shrunk in the wash! rolleyes wink
I'm not saying that people should or shouldn't do whatever they're comfortable with. I guess I am saying that I wouldn't make anyone feel bad for their decisions, nor would I pressure them into discussing it further with a view to attempting to change their mind.
We all have to look after ourselves and I can't actually think of anything worse than a bunny with a husband/wife in tow but it was put to me in such a way that "surely the safe, clean, discreet option is a better bet with a married man". Now as Bloke said, that may be a selling point for some people but it's not for me. Don't get me wrong, it's not that it hasn't crossed my mind because let's face it, it would be convenient for someone like me to have an attached male purely because I have no real desire for a boyfriend but I like to have regular playmates rather than one offs. I guess the word "moral" comes into it because I don't want to be part of that dishonesty. I don't want to be responsible for the upset and unhappiness that it would cause were he found out and I certainly don't want an angry wife on my doorstep shouting the odds about how I live my life. confused
And it's altogether much more fun if I get to have the wife too! :rascal:
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Be careful G - that's a call sign amongst hairy gay blokes - AKA 'bears' wink
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People think that just because you're a swinger that you'll shag all and sundry but how wrong they are!
redface A simple fuck off rpm your not my type will suffice! surprisedops:
As if I would do that to you hunni kiss
I'd just beat you with a stick - it's much more fun :grin:
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Well its all about meanings and definitions DG.
Morals are really just a social construct, imposed basic regulations which help make the fabric of our system of living together work more efficiently. Of course just as society is a living dynamic thing so are its 'moral' requirements and as such they lend themselves to some bending and adjustment as they develop. That development is not always successful as it is constantly fluid and sometimes the adjustment of morals takes place more as a consequence of completely selfish motives of the individual. Unfortunately the human condition dictates that selfish motives often overtake our awareness of the greater good of society and we lose sight of the bigger picture. Thats why you will often see the same individuals expressing their intense worry about the break down of the family unit and the moral decline of young peoples values, whilst happily flouting convention in a swinging lifestyle blissfully unaware of the connections between the two.
We are all just human, with all the weaknesses and vagueness which that entails so sometimes, in fact mostly, we live our lives in a messy mix of morals that suit us and areas of our lives we choose(unconsciously or not)to carefully avoid moral evaluation of even in our own applies to pretty much every person that exists with the possible exception of sociopaths . Either way it makes the subject a difficult one to have a conversation of specifics about, especially when its swinging.
Of course some would say that difficult discussions are the most productive, but I just come here for fun ;-)
Hope I took my time enough x
Peace
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Be careful G - that's a call sign amongst hairy gay blokes - AKA 'bears' wink
Not to mention American CB radio :shock:
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Hope I took my time enough x
Peace

Thank you! kiss
*goes to ponder*
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Well its all about meanings and definitions DG.
Morals are really just a social construct, imposed basic regulations which help make the fabric of our system of living together work more efficiently. Of course just as society is a living dynamic thing so are its 'moral' requirements and as such they lend themselves to some bending and adjustment as they develop. That development is not always successful as it is constantly fluid and sometimes the adjustment of morals takes place more as a consequence of completely selfish motives of the individual. Unfortunately the human condition dictates that selfish motives often overtake our awareness of the greater good of society and we lose sight of the bigger picture. Thats why you will often see the same individuals expressing their intense worry about the break down of the family unit and the moral decline of young peoples values, whilst happily flouting convention in a swinging lifestyle blissfully unaware of the connections between the two.
We are all just human, with all the weaknesses and vagueness which that entails so sometimes, in fact mostly, we live our lives in a messy mix of morals that suit us and areas of our lives we choose(unconsciously or not)to carefully avoid moral evaluation of even in our own applies to pretty much every person that exists with the possible exception of sociopaths . Either way it makes the subject a difficult one to have a conversation of specifics about, especially when its swinging.
Of course some would say that difficult discussions are the most productive, but I just come here for fun ;-)
Hope I took my time enough x
Peace
:sleeping: Someone poke me wiv a stick wen he's finished!
No need Red, life will do that eventually mate
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I use this site predominantly because of the type of guys I go for and the opportunity for some female involvement/watching/sharing/facilitating (which I have now discovered I find hot lol )
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Cooey!!! :twisted:
is it morals or is it purely personal choice.
I cant say anything about married men as i had one as a swinging partner for over a year and his wife didnt know. Granted when we got together i didnt know he was married it was a previous girlfriend of his that told me but i didnt do anything about it.
and like R6 said, how do you really know someones circumstances.
the one thing i do and am sure other do is if its one half of a couple playing alone from here, i want to speak to the other half first, self preservation first!
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:sleeping: Someone poke me wiv a stick wen he's finished!

... and just where would you like poking exactly? :twisted: wink
I think that Biker said something about attached men being less 'bunny boilerish.' That is certainly one of the reasons that I prefer fucking them.
I also find them more grateful wink
Ummm I also don't fuck coppers. More indiscrete and knobbish 'swingers' I have yet to meet. rolleyes
ummm I won't fuck people who are attached if I know their partner. I am uninterested if they lie to their partner but I won't be.
I won't fuck people who slate their partner to me. I am not interested in their personal life, I just want sex with them and am not a marriage counsellor.
I won't fuck people who slag off or talk about people, by name, that they have been with. I dislike indiscretion and name dropping is crass and just a leedle bit nasty.
I have a lower age limit but when meeting with Worlass that is moved as she is 6 years younger than me and I have to take that into consideration. I don't have an upper age limit but, again, when meeting with worlass I have to take her thoughts into consideration.
I don't know which of those things are attached under the label morals. I would just say preferences. Some are moveable and some are not.
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I think that Biker said something about attached men being less 'bunny boilerish.' That is certainly one of the reasons that I prefer fucking them.
I also find them more grateful wink
Ummm I also don't fuck coppers. More indiscrete and knobbish 'swingers' I have yet to meet. rolleyes
ummm I won't fuck people who are attached if I know their partner. I am uninterested if they lie to their partner but I won't be.
I won't fuck people who slate their partner to me. I am not interested in their personal life, I just want sex with them and am not a marriage counsellor.
I won't fuck people who slag off or talk about people, by name, that they have been with. I dislike indiscretion and name dropping is crass and just a leedle bit nasty.
I have a lower age limit but when meeting with Worlass that is moved as she is 6 years younger than me and I have to take that into consideration. I don't have an upper age limit but, again, when meeting with worlass I have to take her thoughts into consideration.
I don't know which of those things are attached under the label morals. I would just say preferences. Some are moveable and some are not.

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Yay!!! blokey is back as bloke n not R6
wb blokey xxxxxxxx
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....ummm I won't fuck people who are attached if I know their partner. I am uninterested if they lie to their partner but I won't be...... I am not interested in their personal life, I just want sex with them and am not a marriage counsellor....I won't fuck people who slag off or talk about people, by name, that they have been with. I dislike indiscretion and name dropping is crass and just a leedle bit nasty.....

That was kinda what I was trying to say but you said it oh so much more succinctly :thumbup:
And yes, I'm back to BIoke as it was getting confusing x
for goodness sake BIoke.. you are just being confusing now.. I was happy with 'Biker', and now you change it. You didn't even check with me. rolleyes
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No need Red, life will do that eventually mate

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:sleeping: Someone poke me wiv a stick wen he's finished!

... and just where would you like poking exactly? :twisted: wink
Curse you Big G...
you & your Gypsy Lee predictions!!!
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for goodness sake BIoke.. you are just being confusing now.. I was happy with 'Biker', and now you change it. You didn't even check with me. rolleyes

Don't care what he calls himself - I'm just happy to look at guys in leathers :twisted: