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Sex God
It's a sad fact that cemetary vandalism is commonplace nowadays. My local council even sent a team round to speak in assemblies before the kids broke up for the summer.
It is terrible when there is some sort of added dimension to it (i.e. anti-semitic graffiti in the Jewish cemetaries in North Manchester - that was an item on our regional news not so long ago) but to be honest, in my opinion, any damage done in a cemetary is hurtful and downright reprehensible.
It is terrible when there is some sort of added dimension to it (i.e. anti-semitic graffiti in the Jewish cemetaries in North Manchester - that was an item on our regional news not so long ago) but to be honest, in my opinion, any damage done in a cemetary is hurtful and downright reprehensible.
Sex God
Quote by Bjlips2008
I feel so saddened at the London news tonight. A whole load of muslim graves have been ruined, poison poured on them,damaged etc etc. It is just beyond me that there are people who do such a thing.
So much for living in harmony.
Graves of all religions are desecrated. Some by people of the same religion, no doubt. Harmony has little relevance. Did they catch the perpetrator/s?
Casanova
Today the 30th it is Eid the Islam Festival end of fasting. I do feel for the families that will be visiting their family graves at this time, to offer prayers and remember their lost ones. It is not random desecration and certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith no matter who grave or what religon, muslims always respect the resting place of the deceased. This is the worst time for sacrilege and is a clear violation,
Certainly some evil people around.
Certainly some evil people around.
Quote by Zeddies
Today the 30th it is Eid the Islam Festival end of fasting. I do feel for the families that will be visiting their family graves at this time, to offer prayers and remember their lost ones. It is not random desecration and certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith no matter who grave or what religon, muslims always respect the resting place of the deceased. This is the worst time for sacrilege and is a clear violation,
Certainly some evil people around.
That may well be true, but you cannot possibly say that with 100% accuracy.
There have been graves robbed from my Mothers cemetry, and some were caught and they were Jamaicans. Who are very religous people too.
The youth of today, ( for youths it most certainly was ), who have done this nasty thing, could be from any religion. As we all know there are good and bad in everything, and that includeds desecrating graves.
It could be anyone from any religion, and until caught it is not quite right to specualte as to who may or may not have done this.
For what it is worth I think it is one of the worst crimes. To go to a grave and see it desecrated is obsene.
Last year me and Mrs777 went to my Mothers grave and put down some lovely new flowers and planted some new plants. On taking my Father there two weeks later, we found some lovely scum bag had taken all the flowers and dug up the plants. I did not accuse anyone or any faith of doing this, only to think they were scum, and I hope they get paid back for it in some way, the same way these new graves were done..... disgusting thing to do I feel.
This kind of thing sickens me.
When I have traveled the world I have discovered that most people are the same. The have the same desires and needs regardless of race, religion or colour.
Sure every group has its weirdos but most people are just people.
These sickos just can't see beyond their own narrow views and beliefs.
When I have traveled the world I have discovered that most people are the same. The have the same desires and needs regardless of race, religion or colour.
Sure every group has its weirdos but most people are just people.
These sickos just can't see beyond their own narrow views and beliefs.
Quote by Zeddies
Today the 30th it is Eid the Islam Festival end of fasting. I do feel for the families that will be visiting their family graves at this time, to offer prayers and remember their lost ones. It is not random desecration and certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith no matter who grave or what religon, muslims always respect the resting place of the deceased. This is the worst time for sacrilege and is a clear violation,
Certainly some evil people around.
to be honest i don't see how you can sum up a whole religon in one sentance, we know for a fact muslime have no problem at all in hurting their own in life(like any race or religon i'm not singling them out) so why not their own gaves? i think respect has has a very small place in the world now days so i personally would'nt rule anything out.
But like stated above grave yards all over are being vandalized the grave yard where i live has police patrolling it as it seems to be being targeted on a weekly basis now, sadly this kind of mindless hooliganism is common place now days
Quote by Phuckers
i cant believe some people want to make an argument out of this issue,Zeddie has acknowledge other graves being vandalised too,...are some of us just bored with life or what!
Not really...
to say that Muslims would never vandalise graves no matter what religion is just something he has no proof to back up what so ever!
and i guess some people have been offended by that statement!
Can I just say nothing surprises me these days. It is terrible to think that Muslims would desecrate their own graves, but is it impossible? 
To be fair, I don't know enough about Muslim religion to comment any further but I do understand they 99% have ultimate respect for their dead, but what about that remaining 1% who perhaps is rebelling from their parents, or whatever?
Any religion, anyone can break the mould and do something against the grain.
To be fair, I don't know enough about Muslim religion to comment any further but I do understand they 99% have ultimate respect for their dead, but what about that remaining 1% who perhaps is rebelling from their parents, or whatever?
Any religion, anyone can break the mould and do something against the grain.
Could it be possible, just perhaps, just maybe that... with the current climate at the moment that someone from that faith could have done it, to stir up further problems?
Not beyond the realms of possibilty. Maybe perhaps.
I do not care who did it, just the fact that someone did, is vile and disgusting. I always thought that graves and cemetries were the one place that the dead could rest in peace. I for one now know that is not true.... how sad.
Not beyond the realms of possibilty. Maybe perhaps.
I do not care who did it, just the fact that someone did, is vile and disgusting. I always thought that graves and cemetries were the one place that the dead could rest in peace. I for one now know that is not true.... how sad.
Nothing amazes me as much as the destruction and disrespect that people have today. Disrespecting cemetaries seems to be par for the course unfortunately.
There's an article in our local newspaper where a young 17 year old committed suicide by jumping off the local shopping centre and a crowd below were baying for him to jump!
If people will do that to an obviously disturbed young person on the verge of ending his life, then the vandalism of any grave stone seems pale in comparison.
There is no justification for either act and the fact that aspects of society are ok with that makes me feel disgusted to be included as part of the same society!
There's an article in our local newspaper where a young 17 year old committed suicide by jumping off the local shopping centre and a crowd below were baying for him to jump!
If people will do that to an obviously disturbed young person on the verge of ending his life, then the vandalism of any grave stone seems pale in comparison.
There is no justification for either act and the fact that aspects of society are ok with that makes me feel disgusted to be included as part of the same society!
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
Making assumptions and hypothesizing without any foundation or knowledge beyond a few statements that are on this thread or news is absolutely the wrong thing to do. None of us know who, what, how, etc.
So move along.
Yep :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
i cant believe some people want to make an argument out of this issue,Zeddie has acknowledge other graves being vandalised too,...are some of us just bored with life or what!
He may have acknowledged that other graves are desecrated - he's also said with absolute certainty that it wouldn't be Muslims who desecrated any grave. Unless he was there, witnessed the desecration and knew that the perpetrators were not Muslims, he cannot possibly be certain.
Quote by Zeddies
certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith no matter who grave or what religon, muslims always respect the resting place of the deceased
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
are some of us just bored with life or what!
And that from a bloke who wants the Smile Thread to be stickied and the Steam Room unstickied
Quote by Phuckers
i cant believe some people want to make an argument out of this issue,Zeddie has acknowledge other graves being vandalised too,...are some of us just bored with life or what!
im not bored with life its just my opinion all because its not the same as yours that don't make me bored with life lol
Though thats what this forum was all about, expressing opinions? i wasnt rude to anyone while expressing mine so i don't feel i have done anything wrong ;)
Quote by kentswingers777
Today the 30th it is Eid the Islam Festival end of fasting. I do feel for the families that will be visiting their family graves at this time, to offer prayers and remember their lost ones. It is not random desecration and certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith no matter who grave or what religon, muslims always respect the resting place of the deceased. This is the worst time for sacrilege and is a clear violation,
Certainly some evil people around.
That may well be true, but you cannot possibly say that with 100% accuracy.
There have been graves robbed from my Mothers cemetry, and some were caught and they were Jamaicans. Who are very religous people too.
The youth of today, ( for youths it most certainly was ), who have done this nasty thing, could be from any religion. As we all know there are good and bad in everything, and that includeds desecrating graves.
It could be anyone from any religion, and until caught it is not quite right to specualte as to who may or may not have done this.
For what it is worth I think it is one of the worst crimes. To go to a grave and see it desecrated is obsene.
Last year me and Mrs777 went to my Mothers grave and put down some lovely new flowers and planted some new plants. On taking my Father there two weeks later, we found some lovely scum bag had taken all the flowers and dug up the plants. I did not accuse anyone or any faith of doing this, only to think they were scum, and I hope they get paid back for it in some way, the same way these new graves were done..... disgusting thing to do I feel.
That's a horrible thing to find.
On the news the presumption was that the act was done due to it being the end of the Muslim fasting.
I didn't mean to make a specific issue about it being muslim graves...I agree with everyone about the lack of respect and vandalism of all graves being abhorrant. Other things that are beyond my belief are people letting dogs poo on graves and what happened to Kentcouple.
I travelled all the way to the middle of nowhere in Zambia to visit my dad's grave which his friends had dug in the bush...to find the whole thing dug up (people looking for valuables). At 16yrs old and after days of travelling, it really, really upset me. Hard lesson of life!!
Thanks for all your responses and thoughts by the way.
I didn't mean to make a specific issue about it being muslim graves...I agree with everyone about the lack of respect and vandalism of all graves being abhorrant. Other things that are beyond my belief are people letting dogs poo on graves and what happened to Kentcouple.
I travelled all the way to the middle of nowhere in Zambia to visit my dad's grave which his friends had dug in the bush...to find the whole thing dug up (people looking for valuables). At 16yrs old and after days of travelling, it really, really upset me. Hard lesson of life!!
Thanks for all your responses and thoughts by the way.
Sex God
Quote by swcpl2005
I like the way the damage to the Christian graves in this story receives balanced, equal reporting.
Not.
Make up your own minds as to why Muslims get special attention.
Does it really matter?
A grave is a grave no matter which faith is buried in it. Its coming to something when we cant lay our dead to rest in peace.
And whats this all about?
"Make up your own minds as to why Muslims get special attention"
Quote by helnheaven
I like the way the damage to the Christian graves in this story receives balanced, equal reporting.
Not.
Make up your own minds as to why Muslims get special attention.
Does it really matter?
A grave is a grave no matter which faith is buried in it. Its coming to something when we cant lay our dead to rest in peace.
And whats this all about?
"Make up your own minds as to why Muslims get special attention"
Well I can see where she is coming from Hel. I only thought it was Muslim graves, with the implication that it was not done by Muslims, so well leave it up to you who they thought it was who did the damage.
On reading the artical yes whilst more Muslim graves were desecrated, there were also other graves vandalised as well. I think one of the posters had an issue on who had done it, which angered a few people.
I am NOT a religous person at all but...It is wrong when ANY grave is disrespected in this way. A dead person should have their final resting place untouched in this way. Maybe there should be cameras in cemetries nowadays?
Casanova
Quote by swcpl2005
I like the way the damage to the Christian graves in this story receives balanced, equal reporting.
Not.
Make up your own minds as to why Muslims get special attention.
I think this is so sad... when it was about graves to be twisted by people. I was just commenting on the time this happened end of fasting, Eid is an important festival in Islam equal to Christmas. And sorry for all those who had to highlight the way I wrote the comments it could be twisted to 100% muslims would not desecrate graves, maybe I should have put in the Islam faith desecration of any grave is a sin. I do not know of any muslim that I know of would ever desecrate a grave, of course they maybe some that would. It was to highlight is not random act of desecration (my belief).
Sorry I was not there and I did not witness the desecration and I do not know that the perpetrators are not Muslims.
I didn't say it was just muslim graves as far as I am concerned any grave damaged is awful.
Now I hope you sad people are happy, you sleep better at night. (note the ones this is for will know whom, not for everyone who commented)
I am commenting anymore on it, so that allows people to twist these comments too.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Sorry Zeddies but... if you make a statement like " It is not random desecration and certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith ", then you must expect a bit of comeback on this.
Exactly - and people aren't sad for pointing that out, either. Your words haven't been twisted - you said what you said, Zeddies.
Casanova
Quote by Freckledbird
Sorry Zeddies but... if you make a statement like " It is not random desecration and certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith ", then you must expect a bit of comeback on this.
Exactly - and people aren't sad for pointing that out, either. Your words haven't been twisted - you said what you said, Zeddies.
Sorry maybe it was not want I was saying obviously your english is much better then mine. I have corrected what I have above .... sorry Freckledbird your so right again... i'm not worthy of your comments..
Sorry Freckledbrid and anyone else, what I wanted to say I didn't say it properly I said it wrong.
I hope your happier now Freckledbird.
Freckledbird do you have any comments on...
Make up your own minds as to why Muslims get special attention.
Casanova
Quote by kentswingers777
Sorry Zeddies but... if you make a statement like " It is not random desecration and certainly will not be by someone of the Islam faith ", then you must expect a bit of comeback on this.
Maybe you said it wrong, I do that all the time .
Yes I did say it wrong... but enough people correct you here
