New Tagging Of Pics feature !!!

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Martin_M
So what is your thoughts on how the forum vote will turn out?.
New software
VB
IPB
PHBB
Keep it as it is?
I have no idea what way that will go :giveup:

Right... run that one by me again in English?!
With pictures would be good! :mrgreen:

25 Mar 2009

Quote by flower411
So what is your thoughts on how the forum vote will turn out?.
New software
VB
IPB
PHBB
Keep it as it is?
I have no idea what way that will go :giveup:

Is this a new tactic? Ignoring the questions you've already been asked and changing the subject to ask a question most forum users won't be able to answer anyway? dunno

I think he`s just trying to prove that when you put these things out to a vote, most people don`t understand the question in the first place.
It felt to me more like a rather thinly veiled dig at "the forum" not liking change... surely when faced with options we don't understand, most would opt for the default "no change" option?

25 Mar 2009

Just curious guys as you use the thing, asking for a bit of input should not be a crime :small-print: .
I have answered this stuff as well as I can, im not a word smith :cry: if anyone wants a proper chat please PM me for my number and feel free to call me.

25 Mar 2009

Nooooo - people, I think, like being asked for their input. But seriously un-techie person here: so what does all that IP, VB whatchamacallit stuff actually mean? dunno

25 Mar 2009

Quote by noladreams
It felt to me more like a rather thinly veiled dig at "the forum" not liking change... surely when faced with options we don't understand, most would opt for the default "no change" option?

Yup, I see that. What I object to though, isn't the change itself, but the fact that every time there's a change, we're "placated" with "well you do have the ability to opt out"
I'm happy enough that now my pictures are private and not in the gallery, but what I still don't have an answer for is WHY the ratings and tagging system was put in place without us getting some kind of warning before?
We all know that it's easy enough to change the homepage, the questionnaires were put in easily enough. I'm grown up enough to know that if the majority wants something then I'll just have to go along with it. It would have been easy enough to put something along the lines of "A new tagging and ratings system for photos will be implemented on the 25th March. All public pictures will be rated by other users. Any pictures in your private gallery will not be rated/tagged" then I could have moved my pictures and not given anyone the opportunity to rate me.
I'll ask again.... why wasn't that done? dunno

25 Mar 2009

Quote by noladreams
so what does all that IP, VB whatchamacallit stuff actually mean?

It is different types of software, VB is Visual Basic, PhPBB is used for forums etc.

25 Mar 2009

Well if it were up to me I would say lets either go for an upgrade of the software here to bring it completely up to date, I think its PHBB.
Or go for a new swish VB forum.. like this
But lets vote on it, as for spark plugs just asking for opinions. Appreciate the input if you use the forum.. im sure people want a say.

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Martin_M
Just curious guys as you use the thing, asking for a bit of input should not be a crime :small-print: .
I have answered this stuff as well as I can, im not a word smith :cry: if anyone wants a proper chat please PM me for my number and feel free to call me.

The letters really mean nothing to me so unless you can explain those in eejit terms and give me a picture as to what it would look like I can't help with any input on that.
But... cosmetically I'd like it to look pretty, I'd like it to be functional, I'd like to be able to talk utter bollox to my hearts content and quite frankly I'd like some new emoticons too! wink

There... how does that grab you?! :mrgreen:

25 Mar 2009

Angel take it from me that the forum, photo ads, chat room, video section, will ALL be changed in 2009. We have said time and again that all these changes will happen, I struggle to see how everyone is surprised.
And NOTHING has happened yet, you have 6 months notice of change here.

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Martin_M
Angel take it from me that the forum, photo ads, chat room, video section, will ALL be changed in 2009. We have said time and again that all these changes will happen, I struggle to see how everyone is surprised.
And NOTHING has happened yet, you have 6 months notice of change here.

:shock: :shock: Martin, without wishing to be pedantic, this thread was started because all of a sudden today there was a ratings system on the photos. It's that to which I'm referring; as far as I'm concerned, my privacy was invaded because I personally have no wish to be rated by other users on here. Why you couldn't have said specifically that a ratings system was being brought in and when, I still don't know!

25 Mar 2009

Its not a rating system.. rolleyes

No matter how hard I try I cant tell you a rating system is being introduced as its not :kick: I cant give you notice of one because we are not having one smackbottom

You have 6 months to stick your public pics in your private gallery if you dont want peeps to find them. No different from now really except people will be able to search for profiles with pictures in a more specific way.

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Martin_M
Its not a rating system.. No matter how hard I try I cant tell you a rating system is being introduced as its not :kick: I cant give you notice of one because we are not having one
You have 6 months to stick your public pics in your private gallery if you dont want peeps to find them. No different from now really except people will be able to search for profiles with pictures in a more specific way.

I don't want my pics in private. I want people to see them else what's the point of them being there? I'm happy for others to search for them but I want to categorise them myself. I want the choice and to be honest I think that's all anyone here is asking for. I don't want my pics rated by anyone and their wife.
No matter how hard I try... I don't seem to have that option! :smackbottom:

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Martin_M
Appreciate the input if you use the forum..

I post quite a few things on Youtube, there i have the options to allow comments, comment voting, video responses, ratings and annotations. I have control over this, not some random person who may have ulterior motives of some sort. This, i think, is the crux of the matter., control overour pictures which are generally of very personal nature on this sort of site.
What would you say if someone wandered into yourr house and gave you the option of you and your other half walking down the street naked so everyone could see and shout whatever they want?
I have no idea what your personal likes and dislikes are, but i imagine you'd prefer choice, not enforcement.
It should be relatively easy to add some code (maybe not now, but in the forthcoming upgrades) to give people the choice of being 'rated' or not. Even if this requires deleting all the pictures and starting again, you have 6 months to give people the chance to save them and repost them later (this should also free up a huge amount of dead space from accounts that haven't been used for years)
It's all about choice and like lots of other people, i'm choosing to keep mine in a private gallery now, as i don't believe the system you've introduced is in any way workable unless the owner of the picture has control over the comments/votes and any possible misrepresentation.

25 Mar 2009

why cant you specifically put pics int a veiwing gallery and tag them if you want them veiwing on a search. and if you dont then you dont add them and they wont be viewable on a "picture" search....
not sure we would be interested in someone who souly found us based on looking at a picture....
we dont want our pics being veiwed by any tom dick and harry.
yes we know that is the case now if someone browses profiles, but they have the oportunity to read the profile first before seeing any pics.
surely a veiwing gallery on any site should be opt in?

25 Mar 2009

So, Martin. Why not go for the third way that's been suggested. People "tag" their own photos. I've not seen one person disagree with that in principle.
It can be done. The only possibly reason I can think of for you not considering it is the one Essex suggested. I'd hate to think thats the case- but it's looking more and more likely.
Oh, and as for the sweeping statement that people don't like change...with the greatest respect- bollocks. I enjoy and embrace change. I'm sure I'm not alone. wink

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Witchy
Oh, and as for the sweeping statement that people don't like change...with the greatest respect- bollocks. I enjoy and embrace change. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Nope, you're not smile

25 Mar 2009

Quote by two-4-more
why cant you specifically put pics int a veiwing gallery and tag them if you want them veiwing on a search. and if you dont then you dont add them and they wont be viewable on a "picture" search....
not sure we would be interested in someone who souly found us based on looking at a picture....
we dont want our pics being veiwed by any tom dick and harry.
yes we know that is the case now if someone browses profiles, but they have the oportunity to read the profile first before seeing any pics.
surely a veiwing gallery on any site should be opt in?

Another good point. I think at the moment the options are a) public and in the public gallery, or b) private.
If the options were
a) Public for people viewing your profile
b) Public for people viewing your profile and viewable in the public gallery
c) Private
there might be a lot less dissention in the ranks. I know we're only a tiny minority of the site, but I'd like to think that our views count as well. With the three options I've suggested following on from the previous post, everyone could be happy ;)
You know it makes sense :thumbup:

25 Mar 2009

Sheesh.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Is it really that difficult to see why this has got peoples hackles up?
As has been pointed out MANY times in this thread, it's not the concept of having tags in photos which are the problem, it's the allowing of random people to choose what tags OUR photos receive, why not just go the whole hog and allow people to upload their own pictures into our own galleries?
LET US decide what tags WE want on OUR OWN pictures with the caveat that if you don't tag pictures, then they don't appear in the search! Simple? Easy? Placates everybody? Or just carry on as you are, ignoring the comments & feedback that many (and well established) members of the forum are giving you.
If I walked into your house and sat on your sofa and started critiquing your family photos on the mantle piece would you be happy?
The stupidity of this just defies logic.

25 Mar 2009

I think I just fell a little bit in love :smitten: redface

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Sixfootsix
Sheesh. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Is it really that difficult to see why this has got peoples hackles up?
As has been pointed out MANY times in this thread, it's not the concept of having tags in photos which are the problem, it's the allowing of random people to choose what tags OUR photos receive, why not just go the whole hog and allow people to upload their own pictures into our own galleries?
LET US decide what tags WE want on OUR OWN pictures with the caveat that if you don't tag pictures, then they don't appear in the search! Simple? Easy? Placates everybody? Or just carry on as you are, ignoring the comments & feedback that many (and well established) members of the forum are giving you.
If I walked into your house and sat on your sofa and started critiquing your family photos on the mantle piece would you be happy?
The stupidity of this just defies logic.

Careful 6's, you'll find yourself in an AC/Witchy sandwich if you carry on being so goddam spot on. :idea:

25 Mar 2009

Just went in and peeked at my own profile to see what the fuss is about... Shocked!!! NO WAY do I want others tagging my photos!!! If I want to do it fine. If I want to allow others to do it, then fine to have the option to allow them. BUt here, control of my own images is being taken out of my hands. This is NOT what I joined the site expecting and I think that admin should seriously rethink.

25 Mar 2009

Quote by Angel Chat
why cant you specifically put pics int a veiwing gallery and tag them if you want them veiwing on a search. and if you dont then you dont add them and they wont be viewable on a "picture" search....
not sure we would be interested in someone who souly found us based on looking at a picture....
we dont want our pics being veiwed by any tom dick and harry.
yes we know that is the case now if someone browses profiles, but they have the oportunity to read the profile first before seeing any pics.
surely a veiwing gallery on any site should be opt in?

Another good point. I think at the moment the options are a) public and in the public gallery, or b) private.
If the options were
a) Public for people viewing your profile
b) Public for people viewing your profile and viewable in the public gallery
c) Private
there might be a lot less dissention in the ranks. I know we're only a tiny minority of the site, but I'd like to think that our views count as well. With the three options I've suggested following on from the previous post, everyone could be happy ;)
You know it makes sense :thumbup:
that is pretty much what i was trying to say.
we wouldn't like to be verified by anyone we can verify ourselves when the time is right ie if we decide to meet some one. but nine times out of ten we have already met at a social or chatted on cam in a room or on another medium.
think the main thing annoying everyone is the fact that this was without warning and without giving anyone the option to opt in or out..... be like making getting rid of private pics and putting them into the public folders or making all pics open to the public - including non-members - without letting us know in order to tempt in new members. - i hope this is not in the pipeline :giggle: given warning we can make a choice as to wether we want to be involved or not and withdraw our pics.... we can always email them to peeps and just take em off our profiles.... which if everone does will prevent anyone from ever being verified and then we can pass any photo's off of as ourselves... off to find a pic of a 12inch cock and a page 3 model lol.

26 Mar 2009

I think you are right that folk usually hate change.
I also think that professional change management makes changes happen much more smoothly.
Swinging Heaven is very bad at change management. Simple announcements would avoid an awful lot of the regular upsets.

26 Mar 2009

to be honest, martin it does look a bit like you're taking the piss, by selecting what posts to answer to and what posts to ignore.
a very simple mail into each of our PM box would have solved the matter had you done this BEFORE enforcing the tagging system on us.
a simple flag to let US decide wheter to leave our pics in public, and in that case wheter to allow people to tag them or not would have been possible.
I've been quite active here in the last couple of weeks...can't say I've noticed many of your attempts to inform us about what was about to happen.
of course it might have happened before
why was nothing of the above done? these things have been asked repeatedly and you have carefully avoided answering them
I do resent the somewhat patronizing tone...but maybe I'm just a bit thinskinned tonight.
just out of curiosity, when you talk about a million members, are you taking into consideration also those profiles that haven't been around in the last six months or more? because I myself have had a profile here for quite some time but only just started using it...

26 Mar 2009

So how does this rating system work then as it was stated that each pic will have to be rated by 10 people.
- is it a best out of 10 average? is it the first, last score?
- do we get to see what our final rating is?
- do we get the right to appeal if errors (or malicious voting) occur?
This really has not been thought through and it's time to think again. I have another suggestion - Admin disable every pic on every profile and then the only way to get it visible and active again is for the account holder to do their own rating.
But that won't happen as it would reveal just how few active members there are on the site and give the lie to the 968,698 as claimed on every page of the site.

26 Mar 2009

Quote by Angel Chat
:shock: :shock: Martin, without wishing to be pedantic, this thread was started because all of a sudden today there was a ratings system on the photos. It's that to which I'm referring; as far as I'm concerned, my privacy was invaded because I personally have no wish to be rated by other users on here. Why you couldn't have said specifically that a ratings system was being brought in and when, I still don't know!

Quote by Martin_M
Its not a rating system.. No matter how hard I try I cant tell you a rating system is being introduced as its not :kick: I cant give you notice of one because we are not having one
You have 6 months to stick your public pics in your private gallery if you dont want peeps to find them. No different from now really except people will be able to search for profiles with pictures in a more specific way.

No, I'm sure it's not intended as a rating system, but the fact is, that's what it will be used as.
Let me ask the question another way then. Why couldn't you have said specifically that a tagging system was being brought in and when?

26 Mar 2009

Quote by swcpl2005
So how does this rating system work then as it was stated that each pic will have to be rated by 10 people.

Oh don't worry swcpl, it's not a rating system rolleyes

26 Mar 2009

There is a section on our Account Pages where we can 'Tick' to recieve Swinging Heaven Newletter etc emails.
Could this function have been utilised?
I have this option ticked, and don't believe I have recieved one email with news of site changes, or requests for my thoughts/suggestions of current site policy.
lp

26 Mar 2009

Quote by Sixfootsix
Sheesh. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Is it really that difficult to see why this has got peoples hackles up?
As has been pointed out MANY times in this thread, it's not the concept of having tags in photos which are the problem, it's the allowing of random people to choose what tags OUR photos receive, why not just go the whole hog and allow people to upload their own pictures into our own galleries?
LET US decide what tags WE want on OUR OWN pictures with the caveat that if you don't tag pictures, then they don't appear in the search! Simple? Easy? Placates everybody? Or just carry on as you are, ignoring the comments & feedback that many (and well established) members of the forum are giving you.
If I walked into your house and sat on your sofa and started critiquing your family photos on the mantle piece would you be happy?
The stupidity of this just defies logic.

Thanks Sixfootsix you have hit the nail on the head.......as have many others in this thread. As hard as I have tried to become a BBW I cant. Im Male, 5.9 and 10 stone 5 so besides being the wrong sex I am too small......... But it seams that now all that is needed is for someone to tag me as a BBW, I will start showing up in a search for BBW's ffs......no offence to BBW's but my point is that I am not.
So I have just moved a total of 72 pictures from our 2 profiles into private until this is sorted out.
Ste

26 Mar 2009

Quote by benrums0n
I think you are right that folk usually hate change.
I also think that professional change management makes changes happen much more smoothly.
Swinging Heaven is very bad at change management. Simple announcements would avoid an awful lot of the regular upsets.

Perhaps SH Admin should employ Max Clifford dunno

He seems to be able to turn tables round... wink