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Sex God
Quote by da69ve
Blue......Sometimes i'm ashamed to be a guy when it comes down to the small minority of guys who have the attitude "she was asking for it"...all because of her attire.
Well yeah, it's a sad but true fact that some people in this day and age still endorse negative and harmful attitudes towards . Although men are more likely to endorse such negative attitudes, some women also do, so I guess it's not just a guy thing.
I am rather sad that I've seen this negative type of attitude expressed on SH
Quote by bluexxx
as most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows, you're actually saying that women cannot go anywhere with anyone.... just in case, like..... Now, that's not REALLY what you're saying is it.....????
I think that the whole 'cover up' arguement works against women anyway. There are some women who have to wear full body coverings for religious reasons. Now if they chose to do this, then that is their call and I am not going into the religious grounds for them.
My point is that I heard an interview from Afganistan of a man who was advocating the beating of a woman as she was out without a chaperone. Still fully covered in black from head to foot, but walking in a (Direct quote) "Sexy way" and " This is the sort of thing that leads to adultary"...
Just an example that once you start curtailing freedoms, no matter how far you go down the road people wil push further. If all women wore plain black coverings from head to foot, nothing changes except people expect even more extreeme things. You cant win.
p.s. Blue if you have a electronic copy of the thesis, I would be interested in reading it in full as well
Sex God
Quote by bluexxx
Yes I agree the condom thing won't work, but if you think I agree with you on the clothing issue I suggest that you go back and read my post again. I don't give a toss whether or not you qualify for MENSA (IQ tests are shite anyway), your opinions on are misguided and serve to perpetuate the myth that victims are to blame for their . This takes blame off the perpetrator -- simple as.... these attitudes prevent justice --- simple as... they cause suffering, often for years --- simple as. They are BAD, with a big fat capital B.
In saying that people SHOULD be more careful where they go and what they wear in order not to be , you ARE blaming the victim and sending the message across to anyone reading this who has EVER been sexually assaulted that they played a part in the their assault.....they start to doubt themselves.... "was it something I did that made him do it to me", blah blah, blah....they start to question everything they do and the places they go. They are not free any more to be themselves and to live a free life. They suffer for something that someone else did.... THEY are NOT to blame:x :x Think about it, eh..... you say you are a logical chap..... work this one out.... You say that women should remove themselves from anywhere they may well be .... as most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows, you're actually saying that women cannot go anywhere with anyone.... just in case, like..... Now, that's not REALLY what you're saying is it.....????
No-one is a victim until they become one..... there is only one person responsible for , and that is the perpetrator..... if there were no perpetrators there would be no ....... so, what's the answer...? Your logic would say remove men from any situation where they MIGHT ...... but that does sound rather silly doesn't it...? But it IS what you're actually saying....... :roll:
Logical.....? No, mate..... you're not, you have an attitude that is a problem, a BIG one.... I suggest you deal with it before people get REALLY offended.
Whether I am male or female is irrelevant.... or are you sexist as well....? Actually, negative attitudes towards correlate very highly with sexist attitudes, so I have just answered my own question there.
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Quote by bluexxx
Blue......Sometimes i'm ashamed to be a guy when it comes down to the small minority of guys who have the attitude "she was asking for it"...all because of her attire.
Well yeah, it's a sad but true fact that some people in this day and age still endorse negative and harmful attitudes towards . Although men are more likely to endorse such negative attitudes, some women also do, so I guess it's not just a guy thing.
I am rather sad that I've seen this negative type of attitude expressed on SH
I think its sad that anyone has this kind of attitude, its hard to go into my real feeling on this subject without going into to much personal stuff which for obvious reasons i don't want splashed over a open forum, but i personally know women who have been and never even reported it because they was scared of the trial if they guy was cought/bought to justice, or because they was scared noone would believe them, dosn't say a lot for british justice does it?
Sex God
Quote by tallnhairy
as most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows, you're actually saying that women cannot go anywhere with anyone.... just in case, like..... Now, that's not REALLY what you're saying is it.....????
I think that the whole 'cover up' arguement works against women anyway. There are some women who have to wear full body coverings for religious reasons. Now if they chose to do this, then that is their call and I am not going into the religious grounds for them.
My point is that I heard an interview from Afganistan of a man who was advocating the beating of a woman as she was out without a chaperone. Still fully covered in black from head to foot, but walking in a (Direct quote) "Sexy way" and " This is the sort of thing that leads to adultary"...
Just an example that once you start curtailing freedoms, no matter how far you go down the road people wil push further. If all women wore plain black coverings from head to foot, nothing changes except people expect even more extreeme things. You cant win.
p.s. Blue if you have a electronic copy of the thesis, I would be interested in reading it in full as well
Very true.
After every unexpected traumatic event, such as , people seek causes for that event....it is simply part of human nature to ask why. The victim obviously seeks the cause and very often they find ways to blame themselves for it, even if there was NO WAY they could have foreseen it or prevented it. One victim I spoke to, several years after being gang , was blaming himself by saying, in his words.... "If I had walked in the other direction, it would not have happened" . This was probably a true and rational attribution, based on logic. But he was beating himself up over something that he simply could not have foreseen.... he was just taking his dog for a walk FFS.
Blaming women for being cos they were wearing provocative clothing, or cos they were walking alone at night, is something that people, when seeking causes for such an event, pick up on as a possible cause of the , and thus have something to blame the situation on. Using variables, such as clothing, to attribute blame to the victim is a sexist and hostile one, based on negative societal stereotypes of women and how they should behave.
But variables such as these (clothing and so on) are simply excuses.... the easy way out for people who cannot be bothered to look for the REAL cause of . People who use such variables to attribute causes of have negative views about women.... they DO, whether they know it or not.
Even if the victim was dressed "appropriately", and regardless of the specifics of the situation, some people still blame.... they could pick on any number of variables.... in fact, anything however minor, that the victim might have done or not done.
I say again, these attitudes are harmful, dangerous, and damaging for victims. They serve to render the less blameworthy and somewhat excusable for the terrible crime they committed against an INNOCENT person.
Quote by bluexxx
Yes I agree the condom thing won't work, but if you think I agree with you on the clothing issue I suggest that you go back and read my post again. I don't give a toss whether or not you qualify for MENSA (IQ tests are shite anyway
In saying that people SHOULD be more careful where they go and what they wear in order not to be , you ARE blaming the victim and sending the message across to anyone reading this who has EVER been sexually assaulted that they played a part in the their assault.....they start to doubt themselves.... "was it something I did that made him do it to me", blah blah, blah....they start to question everything they do and the places they go. They are not free any more to be themselves and to live a free life. They suffer for something that someone else did.... THEY are NOT to blame
No-one is a victim until they become one..... there is only one person responsible for , and that is the perpetrator..... if there were no perpetrators there would be no ....... so, what's the answer...? Your logic would say remove men from any situation where they MIGHT ...... but that does sound rather silly doesn't it...? But it IS what you're actually saying....... :roll:
Logical.....? No, mate..... you're not, you have an attitude that is a problem, a BIG one.... I suggest you deal with it before people get REALLY offended.
Whether I am male or female is irrelevant.... or are you sexist as well....? Actually, negative attitudes towards correlate very highly with sexist attitudes, so I have just answered my own question there.
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I DO NOT BLAME THE VICTIM FOR GETTING / BEING UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!! IS THAT CLEAR??
I also don't have any particular opinions on , misisguided or otherwise, except that it is despicable crime.
I also do not have an issue with clothing for you to disagree with!! I have not apportioned any blame on a victim because of the way she was dressed! My own preference would be for women to walk around naked, and I am a regular visitor to places where the do... nudist beaches! I also love to see women dressed sexily, and I do not believe it is an excuse for a to them! Is that now clear??
The sad fact is, there are rapists! And my advice to any women is, don't go somewhere, where there is a greater risk of it happening to you, for example, walking home alone late at night! THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WAS SUGGESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOTHING MORE! Anyone who thinks that is anything other than good, logical, advice, is an idiot!
Furthermore bluexxx, no, I am not sexist. My question regarding your gender was out of mere interest in whether I was reading the opinions of a man or a woman! What is very clear though, demonstrated by your persistence in attacking an issue that is non-existent in my opinions, that of the "clothing issue", I quote, "In saying that people SHOULD be more careful where they go and what they wear in order not to be , you ARE blaming the victim and sending the message across to anyone reading this who has EVER been sexually assaulted that they played a part in the their assault..." (The clothing part and the blame part being things I never said!), is that you are an idiot!
If people are offended by me suggesting that a woman should do her best to avoid being in a place where there is more risk of her being , with nothing more than her safety in mind, which is all I am saying, then let them be offended, because they too are idiots!
Quote by naughtynymphos1
you ARE blaming the victim
Sorry i can't see it
I have read bluexxx posts over and over and i really can't see where you have got that from, unless i'm miss reading what you mean
: :? hey but then i am a self confessed idiot, oh with a warped mind too by all accounts
I didn't write "you ARE blaming the victim", bluexxx did, I was quoting bluexxx who was acusing me of blaming the victim, which I was not doing... that line of text was c&p'd from bluexxx's post... look back, it was bettween quotation marks (and in the quote box)!
Quote by barewolf
you ARE blaming the victim
Sorry i can't see it
I have read bluexxx posts over and over and i really can't see where you have got that from, unless i'm miss reading what you mean
: :? hey but then i am a self confessed idiot, oh with a warped mind too by all accounts
I didn't write "you ARE blaming the victim", bluexxx did, I was quoting bluexxx who was acusing me of blaming the victim, which I was not doing... that line of text was c&p'd from bluexxx's post... look back, it was bettween quotation marks (and in the quote box)!
ok sorry my mistake
as i said self confessed idiot :doh:
Sex God
Quote by bluexxx
your opinions on are misguided and serve to perpetuate the myth that victims are to blame for their . This takes blame off the perpetrator -- simple as.... these attitudes prevent justice --- simple as... they cause suffering, often for years --- simple as.
In saying that people SHOULD be more careful where they go and what they wear in order not to be , you ARE blaming the victim and sending the message across to anyone reading this who has EVER been sexually assaulted that they played a part in the their assault..
...they start to doubt themselves.
. as most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows, you're actually saying that women cannot go anywhere with anyone.... just in case.
there is only one person responsible for , and that is the perpetrator..... if there were no perpetrators there would be no ....
you have an attitude that is a problem, a BIG one.... I suggest you deal with it before people get REALLY offended.
Blue, we must start to learn that we can no longer go certain places/areas of our choice, and we must be more aware and vigilant, so we dont make ourselves protential victims
I must also remind myself and other idiot womento dress appropriately at all times and be indoors before dusk
Quote by barewolfe
I am not sexist.:rotflmao:
If people are offended by me suggesting that a woman should do her best to avoid being in a place where there is more risk of her being . then let them be offended, because they too are idiots!
WHO IS AN IDIOT ????
Could you please give us :loon: women, some more of your comforting advice on safety and places where we will be at less risk, from making ourselves protential victims.
Is the kitchen sink safe enough :dunno: ???
Sex God
Quote by barewolf
And my advice to any women is, don't go somewhere, where there is a greater risk of it happening to you, for example, walking home alone late at night! THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WAS SUGGESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOTHING MORE! Anyone who thinks that is anything other than good, logical, advice, is an idiot!
Furthermore bluexxx, no, I am not sexist. My question regarding your gender was out of mere interest in whether I was reading the opinions of a man or a woman! What is very clear though, demonstrated by your persistence in attacking an issue that is non-existent in my opinions, that of the "clothing issue", I quote, "In saying that people SHOULD be more careful where they go and what they wear in order not to be , you ARE blaming the victim and sending the message across to anyone reading this who has EVER been sexually assaulted that they played a part in the their assault..." (The clothing part and the blame part being things I never said!), is that you are an idiot!
If people are offended by me suggesting that a woman should do her best to avoid being in a place where there is more risk of her being , with nothing more than her safety in mind, which is all I am saying, then let them be offended, because they too are idiots!
And therein lies your victim blaming attitude. Nuff said on that matter.
Are you completely and utterly stupid, or are you here just to troll the board? If the latter, I am going to make you an ex-member. If the former, please shut your mouth about an issue you clearly haven't got the first clue about
. I cited findings from published academic research. You posted shite.
End of.
Quote by bluexxx
And my advice to any women is, don't go somewhere, where there is a greater risk of it happening to you, for example, walking home alone late at night! THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WAS SUGGESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOTHING MORE! Anyone who thinks that is anything other than good, logical, advice, is an idiot!
Furthermore bluexxx, no, I am not sexist. My question regarding your gender was out of mere interest in whether I was reading the opinions of a man or a woman! What is very clear though, demonstrated by your persistence in attacking an issue that is non-existent in my opinions, that of the "clothing issue", I quote, "In saying that people SHOULD be more careful where they go and what they wear in order not to be , you ARE blaming the victim and sending the message across to anyone reading this who has EVER been sexually assaulted that they played a part in the their assault..." (The clothing part and the blame part being things I never said!), is that you are an idiot!
If people are offended by me suggesting that a woman should do her best to avoid being in a place where there is more risk of her being , with nothing more than her safety in mind, which is all I am saying, then let them be offended, because they too are idiots!
And therein lies your victim blaming attitude. Nuff said on that matter.
I DO NOT HAVE A VICTIM BLAMING ATTITUDE!
IT'S FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION!Quote by bluexxx
[Are you completely and utterly stupid, or are you here just to troll the board? If the latter, I am going to make you an ex-member. If the former, please shut your mouth about an issue you clearly haven't got the first clue about
I cited findings from published academic research. You posted shite.
End of.
I'm neither stupid, or here to troll the board as you put it! I made a perfectly legitimate and sensible point, which you chose to take offence to and persist in trying to twist the relevance of some things in my postings. And now, for someone who claims to have a PhD, you're demonstrating an incredibly childish attitude, acting like a spoilt brat who takes his ball home because he's losing! It wouldn't bother me in the least if you did make me an ex-member... it would just serve to prove what I have just said about you!
What a moron!
Sex God
his ball home because he's losing
Blue's all female
Sex God
Quote by barewolf
I DO NOT HAVE A VICTIM BLAMING ATTITUDE!
Yes you do.
But seeing as you're now looking from the outside in, it's actually too late to tell you to shove your pathetic, small-minded and dangerous attitudes up your arse. Childish, maybe.... but who gives a fuck, I don't
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Quote by bluexxx
I DO NOT HAVE A VICTIM BLAMING ATTITUDE!
Yes you do.
But seeing as you're now looking from the outside in, it's actually too late to tell you to shove your pathetic, small-minded and dangerous attitudes up your arse. Childish, maybe.... but who gives a fuck, I don't
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:In best Ricky Lake (?) styleeeee
"Go bluexxx Go bluexxx Go bluexxx "
Gimme a button, go on - gimme a button.
Aaaaawww gwwwooooon.
Quote by bluexxx
And my advice to any women is, don't go somewhere, where there is a greater risk of it happening to you, for example, walking home alone late at night! THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WAS SUGGESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOTHING MORE! Anyone who thinks that is anything other than good, logical, advice, is an idiot!
Furthermore bluexxx, no, I am not sexist. My question regarding your gender was out of mere interest in whether I was reading the opinions of a man or a woman! What is very clear though, demonstrated by your persistence in attacking an issue that is non-existent in my opinions, that of the "clothing issue", I quote, "In saying that people SHOULD be more careful where they go and what they wear in order not to be , you ARE blaming the victim and sending the message across to anyone reading this who has EVER been sexually assaulted that they played a part in the their assault..." (The clothing part and the blame part being things I never said!), is that you are an idiot!
If people are offended by me suggesting that a woman should do her best to avoid being in a place where there is more risk of her being , with nothing more than her safety in mind, which is all I am saying, then let them be offended, because they too are idiots!
And therein lies your victim blaming attitude. Nuff said on that matter.
Are you completely and utterly stupid, or are you here just to troll the board? If the latter, I am going to make you an ex-member. If the former, please shut your mouth about an issue you clearly haven't got the first clue about
. I cited findings from published academic research. You posted shite.
End of.
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You've gotta love this woman
To be honest i wasn't sure how to take him, i actually do think he believes what he is saying is right and for the best but in some way i find that a little more un-nerving.
