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OK it is for our own safety and I understand that and now that I know what is what, I can arrange my future packing not to include electronic devices or suspicious items. I am sure I can live without my laptop (give some bread to internet cafes abroad!), go back to using a disposable camera for my holiday snapshots, use payphones and buy my toiletries locally.
However, now that I am abroad with my laptop, digital camera, mobile phone etc.... what do I do?
Pack them in my suitcase? Not good as suitcases get battered so badly, I doubt my laptop would survive. Besides, it weighs a ton (well, not literally but close to depending on how tired you are...) and it wouldn't leave much space for anything else to go in.
Also not so long ago, BA planes were being targetted by a gang who identified items of value during X-ray checks and notified their members abroad about the location of luggage and items of value in them so they could break into the luggage whilst still in the hold of the aircraft and rob them. Then the owners could cry as much as they wanted about their lost property. The airlines do not take responsibility for theft from luggage.
(Does anyone remember that expose on TV? )
Would you be worried now that your stuff may not be safe? Would you insure it separately or just keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best?
And OK say you get your personal laptop stolen or mobile phone and it does not contain much top secret stuff (other than your double life as a normal citizen and an SH citizen... plus some explicit pics of your exploits perhaps). But what happens if the laptop belongs to your company and it contains important contracts, deals, company policy docs, etc. How do you safeguard those?
Are we entering a new era where nothing will be taken for granted any more? What do you think the changes will be in the way we do things?
Eager to hear your opinions.
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And OK say you get your personal laptop stolen or mobile phone and it does not contain much top secret stuff (other than your double life as a normal citizen and an SH citizen... plus some explicit pics of your exploits perhaps). But what happens if the laptop belongs to your company and it contains important contracts, deals, company policy docs, etc. How do you safeguard those?
Eager to hear your opinions.

Easy peasy.. get a flash drive/pen/usb stick thingy - get a good enough one and it has a passworded section. Put everything you need onto it and bob's your auntie's uncle. I don't take my laptop anywhere much these days unless absolutely necessary. My flashdrive is 1GB and holds everything +.
We will just have to adapt to the changing state of tensions and get on with it.
I DO not want this thread to go the way of the war one so let's be careful here.
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Quote by Tania
OK it is for our own safety and I understand that and now that I know what is what, I can arrange my future packing not to include electronic devices or suspicious items. I am sure I can live without my laptop (give some bread to internet cafes abroad!), go back to using a disposable camera for my holiday snapshots, use payphones and buy my toiletries locally.
However, now that I am abroad with my laptop, digital camera, mobile phone etc.... what do I do?
Eager to hear your opinions.

Live a more moderate lifestyle lol :lol: :lol:
(changed my mind) innocent
You might be allowed to take hand baggage in the cabin when you come back - unless you are in the US.
I've just had a look at the BA web site and it says:
"With immediate effect, the following arrangements apply to all passengers starting their journey at a UK or United States of America airport and to those transferring between flights at a UK airport."
And at the end of the item it says:
"Customers travelling to the UK from overseas airports may be subject to local airport restrictions and therefore customers should plan to travel with the very minimum of hand luggage."
This suggests to me that the restrictions are not global, but depend on the territory you are travelling from.
Enjoy your time away.
Good idea about the external memory stick. I am not very technologically minded so was dreading having to transfer my daughter's pics (my most precious possession in memory terms) on a CD/DVD which never ever manages to record properly - arghh! I assume it will be as simple as putting pics on my memory stick for my camera and taking them off?
Unfortunately Greeks take security very seriously and are following BA's line to the letter. What I can't understand is if I am going to be searched, X-rayed, probed... why is there a problem if I keep a sanitary pad in my pocket along with my keys, wallet and passport? Why do I have to show them that I am having that time of the month???? Am I missing something?
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Good idea about the external memory stick. I am not very technologically minded so was dreading having to transfer my daughter's pics (my most precious possession in memory terms) on a CD/DVD which never ever manages to record properly - arghh! I assume it will be as simple as putting pics on my memory stick for my camera and taking them off?

It's as simple as saving to the C drive - the flashdrive is assigned a drive letter (depending on what's already assigned - my PC sees it a a K drive but on the laptop it's the E drive - and use 'save as' option and look for the choices under 'my computer'. If you can't see it first time round press F5 to refresh.
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Unfortunately Greeks take security very seriously and are following BA's line to the letter. What I can't understand is if I am going to be searched, X-rayed, probed... why is there a problem if I keep a sanitary pad in my pocket along with my keys, wallet and passport? Why do I have to show them that I am having that time of the month???? Am I missing something?

You can't, at the moment, have anything in pockets. All items have to be in the clear plastic carriers.
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Yes, but once you've been through all the security checks, it does not make sense not to be allowed to put things in your pockets.
Just had another thought: so far we were allowed (depending on airline, route and class of travel) about 23 kgs hold baggage and another 10 kgs hand baggage plus another 5-6 if you had an infant travelling with you. A total of 39 kgs in my case. However, if no hand baggage is allowed, will the airlines increase the maximum permissible luggage weight? Because if it remains just 23 kgs, where the heck do I put the remainder 16 kgs?? And what about the baby's favourite toy? She'll cry all the way to London (a long 4 hour flight and 5 mins plus maybe an hour on the ground ... 5 hours 5 mins in total).
As for the thought of tasting her baby food in public, I can' t think anything more disgusting/humiliating.
Hey, maybe lactating women won't be allowed on board soon... because they may be terrorists who had surgery to place pockets of explosive liquid in their breasts and then express them in the toilet and blow up a plane. OK I am being extremely silly now but it is just an indication of WHERE DOES THE PARANOIA STOP?
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Yes, but once you've been through all the security checks, it does not make sense not to be allowed to put things in your pockets.
Just had another thought: so far we were allowed (depending on airline, route and class of travel) about 23 kgs hold baggage and another 10 kgs hand baggage plus another 5-6 if you had an infant travelling with you. A total of 39 kgs in my case. However, if no hand baggage is allowed, will the airlines increase the maximum permissible luggage weight? Because if it remains just 23 kgs, where the heck do I put the remainder 16 kgs?? And what about the baby's favourite toy? She'll cry all the way to London (a long 4 hour flight and 5 mins plus maybe an hour on the ground ... 5 hours 5 mins in total).
As for the thought of tasting her baby food in public, I can' t think anything more disgusting/humiliating.
Hey, maybe lactating women won't be allowed on board soon... because they may be terrorists who had surgery to place pockets of explosive liquid in their breasts and then express them in the toilet and blow up a plane. OK I am being extremely silly now but it is just an indication of WHERE DOES THE PARANOIA STOP?

I just don't understand you, I really really don't. Do you honestly think that all these restrictions are done for fun? Just cos the security staff are bored and want to liven up their dull days?
Why not take some time to read the news about what was planned - the BBC site is very comprehensive - and then maybe you will be able to stop making, in your own words, extremely silly comments about the airlines.
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Tania, it's not paranoia, it's a long overdue rehaul of an outdated system.
They have said essential items are allowed. If you have no children and are travelling alone, that will be deemed to be passport, wallet, prescribed medication and I'd guess a couple of santiary products to last you the flight would come into the essential items list too.
I'd say, if in doubt, don't take it.
Not only that... if things are so valuable, personally I'd have them insurred and possibly not even take them at all. confused
I travel a lot by plane and might have to buy a slightly bigger case to fit the equivalent of what I take in hand luggage in my case instead. Hard cased light weight suit cases don't cos the earth anymore and I've found them to be more than sturdy. I'll just throw my paraphernalia I carry in my case before I check my baggage in. Sorted.
Personally I will feel a lot safer knowing people haven't got tons of baggage above my head and paranoia doesn't even come into things. Just something we'll have to get used to.
kiss
Gem. x
Interesting link. According to the report, purchases in the departure area will be allowed on board, so one could actually buy a laptop or mobile phone or perfume...
Now let us assume the terrorists are so well organised they have produced bomb materials and packaged them in perfume boxes identical to the real thing with the seals and all... say there is a tiny mark that only people on the know would recognise so the terrorist sympathiser seller would give the specific perfume to a customer after the exchange of a code word... that would negate all the security, wouldn't it?
What I am trying to say is that if you really want to do bad, you won't stop thinking of ways to achieve your purpose.
Also I have been reading a lot of Jeffrey Archer lately and of course I am affected. Damn! the man is a good writer.
No hand luggage - now what?
To me the "now what?" is whatever is required to keep us and all other people as safe as possible.
A small inconvenience is easily put into perspective by turning on the TV and watching the news.
Gem, I love your strapline! biggrin
Gem, you had me worried for a moment but the following link has put my mind at ease that I have spelled his name right:
Quote by Tania
Interesting link. According to the report, purchases in the departure area will be allowed on board, so one could actually buy a laptop or mobile phone or perfume...
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It doesn't say that AT ALL...
Quote by BBC webreport
Those travelling to the US will be able to purchase goods for consumption in the airport but no additional items, other than those on the list, can be carried onto the aircraft.

At least make some effort to read the report before commenting, eh?
Terrorist plot foiled, and all people can do is whinge about what they can/cannot take in hand luggage mad
And servicemen/women are putting their life on the line to protect us all - if only they knew it would have been such a bind for people rolleyes maybe they should've just let them blow the 'planes up hey dunno
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Gem, you had me worried for a moment but the following link has put my mind at ease that I have spelled his name right:

You do know he was imprisoned for nefarious activities, including perjury? And you do know he's been voted the worst author in the history of the world, bar none?
cool
Well I have read a lot of books and his books appeal to me. I don't care what he has been voted, I never go by the ratings lists anyway. I read his books because they are entertaining and make me think and also because somewhere in there is a bit of truth that can't be said through different channels.
I am not judging Jeffrey Archer as a human being (that is up to God to do); I am just judging him as an author - now I have said that I like him and there is no point you or anyone else arguing with me about my personal preferences in authors. OK?
Maybe women will travel a bit more lightly now wink
No more 27 bags full off stuff "just in case" lol
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Interesting link. According to the report, purchases in the departure area will be allowed on board, so one could actually buy a laptop or mobile phone or perfume...
.

It doesn't say that AT ALL...
Quote by BBC webreport
Those travelling to the US will be able to purchase goods for consumption in the airport but no additional items, other than those on the list, can be carried onto the aircraft.


What the page at actally says is:
Any purchases made in departure lounges will be permitted onboard aircraft, with the exception of those flying to the US.
Those travelling to the US will be able to purchase goods for consumption in the airport but no additional items, other than those on the list, can be carried onto the aircraft.

So you are both right.
Quote by Jags
Interesting link. According to the report, purchases in the departure area will be allowed on board, so one could actually buy a laptop or mobile phone or perfume...
.

It doesn't say that AT ALL...
Quote by BBC webreport
Those travelling to the US will be able to purchase goods for consumption in the airport but no additional items, other than those on the list, can be carried onto the aircraft.

At least make some effort to read the report before commenting, eh?
Jags
Before telling me off for not reading reports properly, perhaps you ought to take a better look at the story... Just one paragraph before the one you quoted, the following is stated:
Quote
Any purchases made in departure lounges will be permitted onboard aircraft, with the exception of those flying to the US
Unquote
Any purchases made in departure lounges...... ANY. I did not talk about travel to the US as I it is not where I am or plan to be in the foreseeable future.
Hope this sets the record right.
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Maybe women will travel a bit more lightly now wink
No more 27 bags full off stuff "just in case" lol

:lol: That's what my hubby said - and I'm inclined to agree.
Rather have less hand luggage than risk the alternative. confused
Quote by Tania
Well I have read a lot of books and his books appeal to me. I don't care what he has been voted, I never go by the ratings lists anyway. I read his books because they are entertaining and make me think and also because somewhere in there is a bit of truth that can't be said through different channels.
I am not judging Jeffrey Archer as a human being (that is up to God to do); I am just judging him as an author - now I have said that I like him and there is no point you or anyone else arguing with me about my personal preferences in authors. OK?

FFS Tania - you couldn't be trying harder to get deactivated and us Mods couldn't be trying harder to avoid it but you are pushing things way too far. NO-ONE has argued about your personal preferences, it's only me who has pointed out his ranking as an author as established by other authors. Just as Catherine Cookson is highly read and popular yet ajudged by her peers as writing complete tat.
Actually The Mightly Fallen Peer was found to have plagarised at least two of his stories so he's not even an original bad author! Now that's funny.
However, if you want to take offence then let me be the first to push the Mod button.
rolleyes
Quote by Tania
Interesting link. According to the report, purchases in the departure area will be allowed on board, so one could actually buy a laptop or mobile phone or perfume...
.

It doesn't say that AT ALL...
Quote by BBC webreport
Those travelling to the US will be able to purchase goods for consumption in the airport but no additional items, other than those on the list, can be carried onto the aircraft.

At least make some effort to read the report before commenting, eh?
Jags
Before telling me off for not reading reports properly, perhaps you ought to take a better look at the story... Just one paragraph before the one you quoted, the following is stated:
Quote
Any purchases made in departure lounges will be permitted onboard aircraft, with the exception of those flying to the US
Unquote
Any purchases made in departure lounges...... ANY. I did not talk about travel to the US as I it is not where I am or plan to be in the foreseeable future.
Hope this sets the record right.
Your qualification to set the record right is too late - it's not what you said originally. NOW, is the record set straight?? Good.
rolleyes
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I predict a riot! wink

Nice line but misjudged!!
lol
No blood will be spilt but it WILL end in tears.
redface
So Jags you are resorting to threats now? Deactivating me? Am I that threatening to you and the SH establishment?