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Ok, so im educationaly fixated at the moment but....
Does anyone find, like I do. That stuff I have been looking at to do with NVQ's from level 2 to 5. The work seems to be relatively eas,y well easyish but the referencing banghead takes 5X as long to reference than to research and study and is twice as hard?
Oh. and while i'm at it. Does nothing ask for speculation and personal interpretation anymore?
Lost,
I have NVQ's to look forward to, and actually...I'm not :shock:
in starting my current job a couple of years ago, I had to return to the process of *being educated* and having to follow a regime to pass a certificate or two. All very strange to me having left accedemia behind a very very long time ago!!!
I should have already been in the process for NVQ's by now, though forone reason and another was delayed, and will now (due to experience in the job, and recent promotion) have to be starting at a higher level :double: :shock:
so... areyou *in the system* Lost, or just about to start?... I understand (though very well, and most probably am wrong) that NVQ follows a similar process no matter the field of quali, is that right?
and by the way: whatever it is you're doing....good luck!!
lp
Hi Lost wave
I’ve done several NVQ’s in the past, the last one a couple of years ago.
Like you I found the actual work a doddle, but putting the portfolio together was always an absolute nightmare. Mind you, I was working at the time so I didn’t really give it 100%, I guess if I’d have had the time for a good few long sessions just to sit at a desk and put it all together properly it would have ended up looking far more professional. That said, I haven’t failed one yet so they couldn’t have been that bad dunno
Speculation and personal interpretation seems to be something that is really frowned upon these days, maybe I’ve just been working for the wrong people (civil service mostly) but god forbid you ever have an idea :shock: :scared: or even worse, challenge the way things have been done for millennia bolt
Perhaps there a conspiracy to turn us into a nation of robots and yes men :dunno:
Just a guess here so be gentle wink
NVQs are vocational and are based around practical skills. If this is the case then there doesn't seem to be any need to promote speculate or theories. What they want to know is whether you can do the things you say you can do.
I think you would need to take some kind of traditional qualification if you want to enter into speculation.
I will of course be filing this post under the snotty posts section of my portfollio. biggrin
just finished one and the work took about 4 weeks to do.... the cross-referencing took the best part 6 months. :shock:
The problem I had was trying to interpret exactly what they wanted from you. Once I'd sought advice or spent 20 mins looking at one knowledge spec I found it was usually something bloody simple. banghead
Good luck with it mate. wink :thumbup:
I'm an NVQ Assessor... :cry: you try ploughing through umpteen badly referenced portfolios and then :cry: One candidate brought me the work in a black bin liner and wanted me to assess it... Yeah!!
rolleyes
:P :P
I hate NVQs with a passion!.. I've done a Level 4 in Management and it was pathetic, I ended up with a lever arch file as high as a stool.
I then went on to become an NVQ Assessor, zzzzzzzzzz gave that one up pretty quickly also!
As for referencing, Lost you are correct, I hate referencing and I have to do the Harvard way in my current course. banghead It's an absolute nightmare!
I did most of an NVQ III a few years ago and whilst the work was easy all of the admin, cross-referencing etc was enough to make me swear never to do an NVQ ever again. In comparison, doing an OU diploma was much less work overall, for a better qualification, as I could spend the time learning rather than doing admin.
Hate to tell you all that NVQs are making a comeback with a load of central government funding going to 'Train to Gain' qualifications- NVQs!
Funding = lol
NVQs = :cry:
Quote by jaymar
As for referencing, Lost you are correct, I hate referencing and I have to do the Harvard way in my current course. banghead It's an absolute nightmare!

SNAP!
I hate it with a passion mad
Luckily I have a wonderful other half that I can bribe with sexual favours to complete my referencing for me redface
Quote by Dawnie
As for referencing, Lost you are correct, I hate referencing and I have to do the Harvard way in my current course. banghead It's an absolute nightmare!

SNAP!
I hate it with a passion mad
Luckily I have a wonderful other half that I can bribe with sexual favours to complete my referencing for me redface
Cheat! lol
(Can I borrow him then.. cool )
NVQs love 'em or hate 'em they're here to stay - employers need bits of paper and the government needs a way of measuring educational attainment in the workforce!
For the record, I have one (the level is immaterial) and used to assess them.
My opinion is that they of real benefit to people who have been in work for sometime, but either have no 'formal' qualification or have been doing the job for so long that it has become automatic.
The analysis and deconstruction of your work and work practices should give you a better understanding of why you do what you do in the way that you do it (I used to assess in the field of personal care services and instilling an ethos of person centred care is exceptionally important). Justifying how and why you do something to a third party can be irksome, but the cross referencing should show that the underpinning ethos and core skills of your work show through in all that you do.
On the otherhand, to do this effectively is a skill in itself, and probably alien or unconnected with your everyday work - I've always thought that this is where the process falls down, with candidates believing they are being tested on their ability to 'cross reference' rather than on their ability to to do the job in hand.
Whether that transfers over to Engineering or clerical work is possibly another matter.
Consequently I've always thought it a nonsense that NVQs can be studied for prior to taking up a job - but we have employer's need to see 'educational achievement' on paper to blame for that
As to "Does nothing ask for speculation and personal interpretation anymore?" -you might find that on a degree course - but even then most degree syllybi are 'taught' now (handouts of lecture notes etc!) rather than learnt or researched - I comment from experience here.
Well, there's my tuppence worth!
Lost - you know where I am if you need to chew any of it over!
Quote by vodka_babe22uk
just starting my nvq 2 in caring and to be honest im stuck on the 1st thing i have to do
told em i was thick but they wouldent listen

YOU'RE NOT THICK!
Sorry for shouting... but its' true. Ask them to explain it again, they are the ones used to NVQs and you have to understand the system. Please go back to them and ask.
My assessing isn't in care though I'm sure there are others who can help. If you want to PM then feel free and I will help if I can!
:P
A few years ago I was on an "access to uni" course. The college insisted that as well as the A level work we were doing, we had to complete 2 NVQ's at level 2/3. One was "Working with others" the other was "improving own learning and performance". My tutor spent a whole day explaining them to us, and we all went "huh?" None of us had a fecking clue what she was whittering on about.
A few days later, I asked our straight-talking social science tutor wtf it was all about. He explained in about 3 minutes, and we understood. rolleyes It then transpired that we only needed the credits from one of the courses, and as I'd spent the previous year "improving my own learning" when on my GCSE courses, I decided to give that one a miss.
Me to tutor- "im not doing that one, it's a pile of shi* and I can't think of any two things to base it on anyway"
Him, giggling like a girl "surely you can think of two things you'd like to improve?"
Me "well, theres always modesty and humility I suppose"
Considering the fact that he'd been using me as a prop in class as I was the only person there who read around the subject- (he even used to ask me to correct his spellings ffs) the poor guy was cracked up! lol
Quote by Jags
just starting my nvq 2 in caring and to be honest im stuck on the 1st thing i have to do
told em i was thick but they wouldent listen

YOU'RE NOT THICK!
Sorry for shouting... but its' true. Ask them to explain it again, they are the ones used to NVQs and you have to understand the system. Please go back to them and ask.
My assessing isn't in care though I'm sure there are others who can help. If you want to PM then feel free and I will help if I can!
:P
I second what Jags said. Please, you are not thick! NVQ's sometimes take time and patience. I'm doing care in my foundation degree, care in work settings and discrimination etc., please feel free to PM any questions you may have, I've also done NVQ assessing so I will try and help you as much as I can petal.
kiss
Quote by Lost
Does nothing ask for speculation and personal interpretation anymore?

It's not just in NVQs though. Right through GCSE and A-Level critical thinking has been replaced by this spoon-fed tick-box "do-you-know-the-facts?" approach. Our first year HE students have never encountered the idea that there might be alternative rightnesses, or that Truth is something they have to go off and chase under their own steam, and will never catch.
Almost as if whoever designed the curriculum doesn't want people *thinking* any more...