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Ok i know religion is a dodgy issue but to hell with it

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Lost
Sex God
In trying to improve my very vague understanding of the various faiths i stumbled upon the subject of wives under islam. Holy shit I thought that the christianity had been tough on women in the past. Never ever do I want to understand what i've been reading both in forums and just in general. The sooner we all get to the realisation that religious Subjugation of any sex is total and utter bollox.
Blimey some of the stuff i've read and it being from supposedly 'learned' men makes me a bit angry.
The wife beating part is extraordinary. Some say it means to beat with a small root of a tree. usually used to brush teeth, right upto a damned good physical hiding!! just the fact of beating a woman is talked of is enough nevermind the fashion in how its done. It seems there is no role reversal in which the woman can beat the man either.
Bloody hell I find it wholly incredulous. absolute farce.
Peanut
Sex God
It only goes to demonstrate that organised religions and their dogmas are all about control and subservience rather than actually anything genuinely beneficial.
H__x
Sex God
:bounce:
Born-again athiest here. I'm thinking of getting some leaflets printed and standing on street corners with a megaphone.
H.x

*There's no real need for the little bouncey guy, I just think he's kinda cute
duncanlondon
Sex God
I recently read a book by a woman revert (convert) to Islam. It was quite revealing. The basics of Islam are as good as any other religion, with women having an equal input and say in things.
The veiling and dress etc is optional in most cases and women who do cover up are seen as having a high relationship with Islam, and of their own choice.
However we all hear about the extreme offshoots such as the Taliban, and assume that their methods are the norm. Which is not true.
And what about Christianity? Do we blame the woman who abandoned her kids as a Christian failure? Is a a specific Christian degenerate? Is Christianity the cause of other evils and human failings? etc...
I tend to go with Neitsche on Christianity. But a lot of people 'do' religion, so its here to stay, however one feels about it.
Unknown User
Quote by Lost
In trying to improve my very vague understanding of the various faiths i stumbled upon the subject of wives under islam. Holy shit I thought that the christianity had been tough on women in the past. Never ever do I want to understand what i've been reading both in forums and just in general. The sooner we all get to the realisation that religious Subjugation of any sex is total and utter bollox.
Blimey some of the stuff i've read and it being from supposedly 'learned' men makes me a bit angry.
The wife beating part is extraordinary. Some say it means to beat with a small root of a tree. usually used to brush teeth, right upto a damned good physical hiding!! just the fact of beating a woman is talked of is enough nevermind the fashion in how its done. It seems there is no role reversal in which the woman can beat the man either.
Bloody hell I find it wholly incredulous. absolute farce.

I find it funny that the left now feels the need to champion the rights of islam, when in the past it tried and succeeded in fighting for the rights of women. Woman can rightly now vote, work, wear what they like and are considered quite rightly indeviduals in their own right. So why are not more people speaking out against institutionalised injustice.
Unknown User
I have often wondered but what is the difference between a cult and an organised religion? I think it might be the number of members.
Unknown User
Quote by H-x
:bounce:
Born-again athiest here. I'm thinking of getting some leaflets printed and standing on street corners with a megaphone.
H.x

*There's no real need for the little bouncey guy, I just think he's kinda cute

I was never a born again, I was born one. lol
I was chatting to someone the other day about a tv programme they saw talking about Darwins theory of evolution with somebody from the church. I don't know if anybody saw it?
Well Darwins theory which has been proved in part at least, sort of blows the theory of God out of the window we all came here from evolution then the arguement about how we all came here by Gods creation seems somewhat fictional.
The church person was getting in a right state apparently.
All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of. That is the main reason I don,t believe. But I do not knock others for their faiths if they do nobody any harm. cool
Calista
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Unknown User
Quote by Calista

All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Of course mankind is the main problem but its peoples religions and beliefs over centuries, that is the main problem.
Mankind will never forego greed, as money maketh the man. lol
Dave__Notts
Sex God
Quote by Calista

All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Religion does not start wars. It is mans interpretation of religion that starts wars.
Dave_Notts
Calista
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777

All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Of course mankind is the main problem but its peoples religions and beliefs over centuries, that is the main problem.
Mankind will never forego greed, as money maketh the man. lol
If there were no religions then wars would still occur!
Unknown User
Quote by Calista

All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Of course mankind is the main problem but its peoples religions and beliefs over centuries, that is the main problem.
Mankind will never forego greed, as money maketh the man. lol
If there were no religions then wars would still occur!
Of course. WW2 was not caused by religion, but many have been, The current middle east thing will never go away. Religion and its ways have a lot to answer for though.
Peanut
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777

All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Of course mankind is the main problem but its peoples religions and beliefs over centuries, that is the main problem.
Mankind will never forego greed, as money maketh the man. lol
If there were no religions then wars would still occur!
Of course. WW2 was not caused by religion, but many have been, The current middle east thing will never go away. Religion and its ways have a lot to answer for though.
The middle-east thing never used to be religion based. It was always tribal. The Arabs have always been warring buggers but then us Europeans stuck our noses in at which point it became sectarian. So religion wasn't the start of it, it was what escalated it into what we see now.
I do agree though, more people have died in the name of religion than any other single subject.
But as others have said it's what we do best, kill each other. We have always been a divisive species. It doesn't matter if it's red vs blue, moslem vs christian, united vs city, black vs white. If there's a difference then sooner or later there will be a fight over it.
But these days religion is the biggy. There's lots of people involved, there's lots of interpretive dogma but more importantly, lots of people with chips on their shoulders and a few screws loose.
Unknown User
Quote by kentswingers777

All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Of course mankind is the main problem but its peoples religions and beliefs over centuries, that is the main problem.
Mankind will never forego greed, as money maketh the man. lol
If there were no religions then wars would still occur!
Of course. WW2 was not caused by religion, but many have been, The current middle east thing will never go away. Religion and its ways have a lot to answer for though.
I think ww2 was caused in some degree by religion as hitler was obsessed that world was run by a jewish cabal,through the banking system.
religion has been getting a bad press of late due to spiritual materialism. But religion I feel was created to give humanity a sense of moral culture at a time when people were beginng to settle into small farming communities. To prevent the bloke in the farm next door stoving in your head, having it away with your misses and nicking all your sheep. Some sufi teachers say that all religions go into decay and are replaced by a new one more fitting to that age.
Unknown User
Very genuinely asked question here-
am I missing something, or wasn't religion a no-go area in here? When did that change? dunno
Am I just going senile? confused
Unknown User
Quote by Peanut

All I know is religion causes more wars and hatred than anything else I can think of.

I think you'll find that mankind is the cause of more wars and hatred, religion is an easy scapegoat. If mankind could forego greed and live peacefully it wouldn't matter what religions there were
Of course mankind is the main problem but its peoples religions and beliefs over centuries, that is the main problem.
Mankind will never forego greed, as money maketh the man. lol
If there were no religions then wars would still occur!
Of course. WW2 was not caused by religion, but many have been, The current middle east thing will never go away. Religion and its ways have a lot to answer for though.
The middle-east thing never used to be religion based. It was always tribal. The Arabs have always been warring buggers but then us Europeans stuck our noses in at which point it became sectarian. So religion wasn't the start of it, it was what escalated it into what we see now.
I do agree though, more people have died in the name of religion than any other single subject.
But as others have said it's what we do best, kill each other. We have always been a divisive species. It doesn't matter if it's red vs blue, moslem vs christian, united vs city, black vs white. If there's a difference then sooner or later there will be a fight over it.
But these days religion is the biggy. There's lots of people involved, there's lots of interpretive dogma but more importantly,lots of people with chips on their shoulders and a few screws loose. :thumbup:
Peanut
Sex God
Quote by varca
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me. Bugger the religious aspects; I consider it to be just plain rude, after all they can see me but they aren't allowing me to see them? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
I'm all in favour of the security objections raised by the use of this middle-ages garment.
Calista
Sex God
Quote by Peanut
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me.
So I assume you don't have telephone banking or deal with call centres in general?
Unknown User
Quote by varca
I recently read a book by a woman revert (convert) to Islam. It was quite revealing. The basics of Islam are as good as any other religion, with women having an equal input and say in things.
The veiling and dress etc is optional in most cases and women who do cover up are seen as having a high relationship with Islam, and of their own choice.
However we all hear about the extreme offshoots such as the Taliban, and assume that their methods are the norm. Which is not true.
And what about Christianity? Do we blame the woman who abandoned her kids as a Christian failure? Is a a specific Christian degenerate? Is Christianity the cause of other evils and human failings? etc...
I tend to go with Neitsche on Christianity. But a lot of people 'do' religion, so its here to stay, however one feels about it.

I once listened to a radio talk show where they were talking to Islamic women who actually chose to wear the hijab. It was interesting and enlightening listening to their point of view. What was apparent was that the wearing of such a modest garment, one which covers everything bar their hands and feet was for them, a liberating experience and far from an oppressive one. They found that men treated them with respect and appreciated the person, getting to know them without the 'drawbacks' of a less than perfect body and/or an overly pretty face or in contrast a gorgeous body and/or beautiful face. This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.
Did make me think though I have to admit. Blew my pre-conceived ideas rather out of the window.
I am agnostic I guess, I would like to believe but I need concrete evidence and I don't think that is ever going to happen. In the meantime I have a healthy respect for all religions as at the end of the day they are all open to interpretation by the reader/believer and there is no-one who can really say what is what, true or untrue. The stories, as that is all that they are that are found in the bible, the koran etc will be read and interpreted by 10 people in 10 different ways after all and therein lies the big problem. And one that certainly contributes to the disquiet around the world.
Contrary to what we think the hijab has no bearing at all on the Muslim faith. Nowhere does it say it has to be worn in their faith. Saying that It does not bother me at all if women want to wear it, but I always thought it was worn by women because their "man " did not want other men to look at her. dunno
If women want to wear it fine, I just feel uncomfortable seeing women in a shopping centre with it on.
Unknown User
Quote by Peanut
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me. Bugger the religious aspects; I consider it to be just plain rude, after all they can see me but they aren't allowing me to see them? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
I'm all in favour of the security objections raised by the use of this middle-ages garment.
Blimey I actually agree with you peanut. Well there has to be a first for everything I suppose. lol
Unknown User
Quote by swinger29
Very genuinely asked question here-
am I missing something, or wasn't religion a no-go area in here? When did that change? dunno
Am I just going senile? confused

Ooh bugger didnt know,but anyway my original point was about spirituality not religion. Similar but not the same. I was wondering if other members had spiritual leanings or just saw themselves as a meat suit with an electric pulse in it.
I was not trying to be provocitive, but sometimes it comes out that way. And in case anyone is thinking of flaming me,no I dont think people without spiritual/religious beliefs are meat suits.
In the words of Dave Allen goodnight and may your god go with you.
I'm sure it was, but with two unlocked threads running at the same time, I was curious enough to go look. I can't find any reference to it now, so I'm just wondering if I'm going mad, or if not, when it changed :thumbup:
Peanut
Sex God
Quote by Calista
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me.
So I assume you don't have telephone banking or deal with call centres in general?
You assume right in this instance, but then they aren't stood in front of me with a mask on are they?
Peanut
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me. Bugger the religious aspects; I consider it to be just plain rude, after all they can see me but they aren't allowing me to see them? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
I'm all in favour of the security objections raised by the use of this middle-ages garment.
Blimey I actually agree with you peanut. Well there has to be a first for everything I suppose. lol
Not the first time, nor I doubt it will be the last time biggrin
Unknown User
Quote by Peanut
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me. Bugger the religious aspects; I consider it to be just plain rude, after all they can see me but they aren't allowing me to see them? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
I'm all in favour of the security objections raised by the use of this middle-ages garment.
Blimey I actually agree with you peanut. Well there has to be a first for everything I suppose. lol
Not the first time, nor I doubt it will be the last time biggrin
FFS, get a room. rolleyes
:lol2:
Unknown User
Quote by Peanut
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me. Bugger the religious aspects; I consider it to be just plain rude, after all they can see me but they aren't allowing me to see them? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
I'm all in favour of the security objections raised by the use of this middle-ages garment.
Blimey I actually agree with you peanut. Well there has to be a first for everything I suppose. lol
Not the first time, nor I doubt it will be the last time biggrin
Cant remember a first time to be honest, but will take your word for it. As for the last time, will wait and see. cool
Peanut
Sex God
Quote by winchwench
FFS, get a room. rolleyes

I have a couple thanks... they all need hoovering, you free? :twisted:
Unknown User
Quote by winchwench
This worked particularly well in business with men and women from other cultures too as they were taken far more seriously wearing the hijab than when they were not.

Sod that, there's no way I would deal with anyone whose face is deliberately hidden from me. Bugger the religious aspects; I consider it to be just plain rude, after all they can see me but they aren't allowing me to see them? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
I'm all in favour of the security objections raised by the use of this middle-ages garment.
Blimey I actually agree with you peanut. Well there has to be a first for everything I suppose. lol
Not the first time, nor I doubt it will be the last time biggrin
FFS, get a room. rolleyes
:lol2:
Who? Me him or both? :lol: :lol:
Aristophanes
Sexlightened
In some Islamic desert communities in North Africa, women are in charge of the men. They are free to wear bright colourful clothes and jewels. They can take the men to court when domestic problems arise and very much rule the roost.
As in most world religions there are many shades of Islam. Not just the bigoted and those who shout the loudest. We sadly often hear mostly of fanatics. Would be nice if we saw more of the music and poetry and art of the faith.
Unknown User
Quote by Aristophanes
In some Islamic desert communities in North Africa, women are in charge of the men. They are free to wear bright colourful clothes and jewels. They can take the men to court when domestic problems arise and very much rule the roost.
As in most world religions there are many shades of Islam. Not just the bigoted and those who shout the loudest. We sadly often hear mostly of fanatics. Would be nice if we saw more of the music and poetry and art of the faith.

It always seems that the loonies make the most din, whilst good people just get on with it.
Some forms of islam ban music altogether whilst other encourage it. There have also been some illuminated free thinking muslims like the poet Rumi for instance,his poems are devotional mostly but read like romantic love poems.
Islamic physicians rediscovered ancient greek science and mathmatics, and yet much of islam seems to have turned into something else altogether. Apparently hte government has been trying to get uk muslims to adopt sufism,which is a form of islamic mysticism. Its a bit more like peace and love type stuff.
Dont know about you but I could certainly do with a bit of peace and love myself.
Aristophanes
Sexlightened
I was out driving once and had the radio on. I had to pull over as there was a wonderful programme on about the Egyptian Koranic singing tradition. Never heard anything like it. Couldn't understand a word but the solo singing of the Imans' was breath-taking.
Couldn't agree with you more Swinger 29 about the Love and Peace.