Old Steam Room Stuff

14 Oct 2005

Quote by Wishmaster
Nah.... dont think I'll bother..... the PC Brigade will soon find someone else to hang..... they thrive on it..... won't be posting in The Cafe again .... cyas. xxx

A flounce ???????????????????????????/
This is one right that prooves a wrong then.
phredd

14 Oct 2005

Quote by HornyRed

Nah.... dont think I'll bother..... the PC Brigade will soon find someone else to hang..... they thrive on it..... won't be posting in The Cafe again .... cyas. xxx

Angel watches the flounce with little or no surprise. wave

:wave:
People should realise that when they flounce, they find the door slams hard and shut behind them.
Mal

14 Oct 2005

got to say a tad confused this morning... When someone says they won't be using one particular area of these Forums... Does that automatically exclude them from all three Forums as a whole dunno

If so a Mod might want to put up an informative note on the LMU threads I found by Wishmaster rolleyes

14 Oct 2005

Quote by tattyxpx
got to say a tad confused this morning... When someone says they won't be using one particular area of these Forums... Does that automatically exclude them from all three Forums as a whole
If so a Mod might want to put up an informative note on the LMU threads I found by Wishmaster

He only said he wasnt posting in the cafe again...
Said nowt about the rest of the forums so I guess they are still fair game..

14 Oct 2005

Right i want to let of steam about something
(sorry going to totally change the subject here)
Last night my 11 year old daughter, while out with her friend at the shops, was attacked by a fully grown man, she has a mobile which she wears round her neck on one of these rope thingys all the kids wear, anyway he decided he wanted her phone and grabbed it snapping the cord and as kids do she tryed to stop him at which point he punched her in the face and kicked her a few times around the legs area, now lucky for my daughter she was outside the shops and some people coming out the shop who saw what was happening came to her aid, as you can imagine she was pretty shaken when she got home but sadly she didn't know the guy who did it and neither did anyone who witnessed the attack so i wondred if it was worth calling the police.
But when i got up this morning it was playing on my mind and i decided i had to call the police just incase he hurt any other kids so they at least had a record of the guy and who to look out for, so i called the local police station and told them what happened and in reply i got......so what do you want us to do about it? :shock: so i explained that i though they may have been grateful for a description incase it tryed it again etc and in reply i got.....well if you find out who he is give me a call and we'll see if we can help, we are to busy to come out for such minor incidences at the moment :shock: :shock:
now excuse me but isn't it their job to find out who criminals are? as for minor incidence, ok so as it happens she was luck there was people around to help but had she been away from the shops would he have stopped and ran off when he did?
is it really safe for me to be walking the streets looking for a guy who has no problem punching children?
not sure wether i'm more ranting over the :censored: who hurt my child in the first place or the total lack of interest i got from the police
but thats it rant over

14 Oct 2005

Quote by HuxleyNSusie
anyone else think this should have been locked some time ago or was it a case of giving a man enough rope ?

i agree... if it had been any other thread other then the steam room... it would have been locked moons ago and i think the person would have been banned...
Personally i think Wishy has been a prize arse thru the entire thread, and i don't think we give him any rope, he provided his own......but in a way i am glad that we see all sides of a person here,even if it is very distastful to say the least.... that way you can do with the information as you please......

14 Oct 2005

Quote by Steve_Mids
got to say a tad confused this morning... When someone says they won't be using one particular area of these Forums... Does that automatically exclude them from all three Forums as a whole
If so a Mod might want to put up an informative note on the LMU threads I found by Wishmaster

He only said he wasnt posting in the cafe again...
Said nowt about the rest of the forums so I guess they are still fair game..
well maybe a mod will be along in a mo to explain this then.....

Quote by mal
If anyone wishes to communicate with wishmaster over this event, please note that he is unable to access his PM's due to now being an ex-member (don't you just love flounces!).
Mal

14 Oct 2005

Quote by naughtynymphos1
Right i want to let of steam about something
(sorry going to totally change the subject here)
Last night my 11 year old daughter, while out with her friend at the shops, was attacked by a fully grown man, she has a mobile which she wears round her neck on one of these rope thingys all the kids wear, anyway he decided he wanted her phone and grabbed it snapping the cord and as kids do she tryed to stop him at which point he punched her in the face and kicked her a few times around the legs area, now lucky for my daughter she was outside the shops and some people coming out the shop who saw what was happening came to her aid, as you can imagine she was pretty shaken when she got home but sadly she didn't know the guy who did it and neither did anyone who witnessed the attack so i wondred if it was worth calling the police.
But when i got up this morning it was playing on my mind and i decided i had to call the police just incase he hurt any other kids so they at least had a record of the guy and who to look out for, so i called the local police station and told them what happened and in reply i got......so what do you want us to do about it? :shock: so i explained that i though they may have been grateful for a description incase it tryed it again etc and in reply i got.....well if you find out who he is give me a call and we'll see if we can help, we are to busy to come out for such minor incidences at the moment :shock: :shock:
now excuse me but isn't it their job to find out who criminals are? as for minor incidence, ok so as it happens she was luck there was people around to help but had she been away from the shops would he have stopped and ran off when he did?
is it really safe for me to be walking the streets looking for a guy who has no problem punching children?
not sure wether i'm more ranting over the :censored: who hurt my child in the first place or the total lack of interest i got from the police
but thats it rant over

Hhhmmmmmmmm...................... when I first started reading this NN, I was screaming out inside "Call the bloody Police for christs sake", this is serious. But then you go on and describe the attitude the police had towards you, and frankly I can understand why people just don't bother with the police anymore.
Different subject but where I live we have had problems with youths for a couple of years now, A group of us have got together and have given the police (and the local council) a hard time......... hey presto we are finally seeing some action.
NN I would not be happy having to see what you saw last night, and I wouldn't be happy with the response you were given either. Call your local nick and ask to speak to the Inspector in charge (they tend to have a duty inspector) Tell him in no uncertain terms you are unhappy with the response you have received.
OK they can't do anything this time, but at least a description, properly recorded, could possibly stop this happening to someone else.
Good luck with it Hun.

14 Oct 2005

Quote by naughtynymphos1
Right i want to let of steam about something
(sorry going to totally change the subject here)
Last night my 11 year old daughter, while out with her friend at the shops, was attacked by a fully grown man, she has a mobile which she wears round her neck on one of these rope thingys all the kids wear, anyway he decided he wanted her phone and grabbed it snapping the cord and as kids do she tryed to stop him at which point he punched her in the face and kicked her a few times around the legs area, now lucky for my daughter she was outside the shops and some people coming out the shop who saw what was happening came to her aid, as you can imagine she was pretty shaken when she got home but sadly she didn't know the guy who did it and neither did anyone who witnessed the attack so i wondred if it was worth calling the police.
But when i got up this morning it was playing on my mind and i decided i had to call the police just incase he hurt any other kids so they at least had a record of the guy and who to look out for, so i called the local police station and told them what happened and in reply i got......so what do you want us to do about it? :shock: so i explained that i though they may have been grateful for a description incase it tryed it again etc and in reply i got.....well if you find out who he is give me a call and we'll see if we can help, we are to busy to come out for such minor incidences at the moment :shock: :shock:
now excuse me but isn't it their job to find out who criminals are? as for minor incidence, ok so as it happens she was luck there was people around to help but had she been away from the shops would he have stopped and ran off when he did?
is it really safe for me to be walking the streets looking for a guy who has no problem punching children?
not sure wether i'm more ranting over the :censored: who hurt my child in the first place or the total lack of interest i got from the police
but thats it rant over

Ali hun... get your best letter writing head on... and get writing babe.. to someone in Local Authority.. if you managed to get the name of the Officer who dealt with you then good.
I really hope your girl is ok hunny.. It's absolutely disgusting the reaction you have had babe.. and my thoughts are most definately with you and your family this morning babe kiss

Give them what for hun... wink

and make sure you receive a written apology for the complete lack of support shown to you at this time

14 Oct 2005

Quote by naughtynymphos1
Right i want to let of steam about something
(sorry going to totally change the subject here)
Last night my 11 year old daughter, while out with her friend at the shops, was attacked by a fully grown man, she has a mobile which she wears round her neck on one of these rope thingys all the kids wear, anyway he decided he wanted her phone and grabbed it snapping the cord and as kids do she tryed to stop him at which point he punched her in the face and kicked her a few times around the legs area, now lucky for my daughter she was outside the shops and some people coming out the shop who saw what was happening came to her aid, as you can imagine she was pretty shaken when she got home but sadly she didn't know the guy who did it and neither did anyone who witnessed the attack so i wondred if it was worth calling the police.
But when i got up this morning it was playing on my mind and i decided i had to call the police just incase he hurt any other kids so they at least had a record of the guy and who to look out for, so i called the local police station and told them what happened and in reply i got......so what do you want us to do about it? :shock: so i explained that i though they may have been grateful for a description incase it tryed it again etc and in reply i got.....well if you find out who he is give me a call and we'll see if we can help, we are to busy to come out for such minor incidences at the moment :shock: :shock:
now excuse me but isn't it their job to find out who criminals are? as for minor incidence, ok so as it happens she was luck there was people around to help but had she been away from the shops would he have stopped and ran off when he did?
is it really safe for me to be walking the streets looking for a guy who has no problem punching children?
not sure wether i'm more ranting over the :censored: who hurt my child in the first place or the total lack of interest i got from the police
but thats it rant over

sorry to hear about your daughter NN... and i hope she isn't too shaken, At best what happened was Theft and at worst it is Assult....... I would ring them up again and give them what for, they should have really sent someone round to interview your daughter, if it happened to her then is could happen to someone else and it could be 10 times worse...if the phone is switched on them the mobile phone signal is tracible, until you get it blacklisted then it is useless.....
give them another call hun......xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
sean xxxxxxxxxxx

14 Oct 2005

Get down the nick that you phoned and DEMAND to speak to the highest ranking officer they have in the building...
Leave them fully understanding that you will be speaking to your local MP on the matter and if you can get lapel numbers of those you speak to..
DONT rest untill you get some satisfaction...

14 Oct 2005

NN sorry to hear about your Daughter, hope shes ok and can get over the incident quickly
I think its the world we live in these days that the police are too "busy" to at least take a statement they always seem to have their hands tied!! A bit of effort on their part would have been the least they could have done for you!
Hope the scumbag gets his cumuppance one way or the other evil

Mr goodtimez

14 Oct 2005

OK this is probably not going to make me a lot of friends wishy
for starters i have seen violence in the home i have lived through most of my life.....
ok my mum hasnt been rapped or anything but definate phycial and mental vilolence has happebend. women often are in situations that they cant leave its hard to explain in words but they sometimes feel that they have to stay with the man for the sake of the kids.
To be honest the violence i have seen has been both man -> women, women - man it is scary.
This next paragrpah will properbly shock a lot of you that know me and to be honest i am sitting here with tears in me eyes typing this....It is very hard for me to tell everyone this. A few people know already
I have hit full on both my mum and my father.... i have on a number of ocatiions turned round and said wished them dead.....This is completely wrong behavior and it will live me forever. I have hit them slapped them verbally abused them.
I dont want sympathy for saying this. it is me. i have changed a lot ...... It know makes me respect women a lot more in terms or NO means NO.
domestic violence is a hard issue that needs to be disucused.
like many issues. HIV was an issue in the 80s and was talked about and now people are more aware. HIV was considered to be a "GAY MAN" problem.... how wrong we all are. domestic violence needs to be treated with the same kind of attention.
MikeC :upset:

14 Oct 2005

(((((((((((mikec))))))))))) passionkiss

well done for being so brave as to admit you're not proud of your behaviour in the past and that you've worked towards a different attitude to women and other people generally.
When kids see domestic violence sometimes it's seen as the normal thing to do and so the kids grow up with it knowing it hurts, it's a terrible thing to be around and see. It can sometimes form a cycle of the abused becoming the abuser for a range of reasons.
The one point I'm glad you brought up that Domestic Violence doesn't just effect the two people in the relationship.... but a much wider circle that have to live and cope with this for the rest of their lives.
Chin up chicken.
kiss

Gem. x

14 Oct 2005

(((mike))) you have been so brave to admit that you have engaged in this behaviour.
But as little gem pointed out - you repaetd behaviours you had seen within your home. You know that doesn't excuse what you did but knowing the reason why and being man enough to accept what you did was wrong has led you to become the man you are today. Be proud of where you are now.
I know my children are still left with issues. My daughter in particular cannot sit in a room without the door open - she sees it as her "escape". So you see, whatever you seen in your home will always affect you in some way
And NN? :cry: So sorry what has happened to your daughter and your family. Ditto what everyone else has said. But also throw in that you will be approaching the media as a result of their ineffectiveness and ignoring the serious issue of an assault on a child. That usually stirs them up. Hugs to you.

14 Oct 2005

Ok none of my business but being a nosey so and so I was going to email this to the mods but I'll put it here.
If Wishmaster has been banned from the forums then I'd like to say I find this as distasteful as his opinions. I know he isn't flavour of the month and tbh he's riled me too, but to ban him seems harsh and I fully appreciate that I am not in possession of all the facts!
Banning someone because they are "brave" enough to express an opinion, however different their opinion might be, just doesn't sit favourably with me. Do we eliminate from society all bigots and racists? No we hope that in time their opinion will change through education and acceptance.
He hasn't once admitted he supports or agrees homophobia, racism, domestic violence or any other prejudice, just that his view is different to others. Thats not wrong.
We've all warned others about seeing things at face value and that the internet is an emotionless medium, it's hard to convey your true feelings through words on a screen. I'm hoping that he's not been banned permanently .... I don't normally have anything to do with him, more through not being here and not knowing him, but to ban on an opinion and a flounce is imho wrong.
I know he's hurt people here and I'm not taking that away, but people hurt others in real life and don't get excluded by a whole community, all the time.
I do appeciate that things might have happened that I don't know about but without being in full possession of the facts this is how I feel.
Calista

14 Oct 2005

Well said Calista.
I wondered why Mal felt the need to say this . . .

Quote by Mal
People should realise that when they flounce, they find the door slams hard and shut behind them.
Mal

Other people flounce and come back all the time. The door doesn't appear to have shut hard behind them, so where is the difference here? confused

Besides which, I don't recall him saying he was flouncing. He said he wouldn't post *on the Cafe* anymore, so rather than wait to see if he kept his word, someone took the decision for him? :?
Is this yet another case of one rule for some and another for all the rest? dunno

T-J

14 Oct 2005

I too was shocked to see wishy was banned. I didn't agree with his opinion but he has every right to it in a free and democratic society. I know his comments caused offense to many but I don't think he launched any peronal attacks on any members.

14 Oct 2005

NN
Sorry to hear about your daughter.
I would suggest you do as others have said, and get pen to paper.
I would also suggest you ring up the local newspaper, so they can run a story about it and warn other parents / kids to careful, if this guy has struck once he might do it again.
Hope you daughter is ok soon.
xx

14 Oct 2005

Is it usual to deactivate the accounts of flouncers? dunno

I actually thought they were only de-activated if they requested it but I could be wrong

14 Oct 2005

Quote by Calista
Ok none of my business but being a nosey so and so I was going to email this to the mods but I'll put it here.
If Wishmaster has been banned from the forums then I'd like to say I find this as distasteful as his opinions. I know he isn't flavour of the month and tbh he's riled me too, but to ban him seems harsh and I fully appreciate that I am not in possession of all the facts!
Banning someone because they are "brave" enough to express an opinion, however different their opinion might be, just doesn't sit favourably with me. Do we eliminate from society all bigots and racists? No we hope that in time their opinion will change through education and acceptance.
He hasn't once admitted he supports or agrees homophobia, racism, domestic violence or any other prejudice, just that his view is different to others. Thats not wrong.
We've all warned others about seeing things at face value and that the internet is an emotionless medium, it's hard to convey your true feelings through words on a screen. I'm hoping that he's not been banned permanently .... I don't normally have anything to do with him, more through not being here and not knowing him, but to ban on an opinion and a flounce is imho wrong.
I know he's hurt people here and I'm not taking that away, but people hurt others in real life and don't get excluded by a whole community, all the time.
I do appeciate that things might have happened that I don't know about but without being in full possession of the facts this is how I feel.
Calista

Agreed.
Holding a difference of opinion is not a crime and not everyone can please all the people all the time. I think if he wants to come back from his "not posting in the cafe any more" and he hasn't broken AUP anywhere, then he should be allowed.... again unless theres something else I don't know of which contravenes AUP...... surely banning someone for holding a misguided opinion and offending most of the people on here isn't enough for a permanet ban???
:confused2: Not that I'll miss those kinds of views tbh but it's made a few people think and thats the beauty and purpose of an open forum such as this... we debate, we wrangle then we all kiss n make up..... maybe not this time. dunno

Although maybe he has been deactivated temp' or asked himself to be deactivated in PM ??? and we'll never know. :dunno: Or you can't have running threads on LMU when the organsier has declared a flounce and soooo they have to be locked for the time being???
kiss

Gem. x

14 Oct 2005

Quote by little gem
asked himself to be deactivated in PM ???

Gem. x

No he hasn't. The choice was made for him . . .
T-J

14 Oct 2005

Has he been deactivated confused

: :?:
All I can see is these locked threads >>>>
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/55885.html
I think deactivation is a bit on the stong side even if he upset people including me.
phredd

14 Oct 2005

Quote by bluexxx

My posts have been a deliberate fly in the ointment, I intended to be controversial because what really pisses me off are people who take a viewpoint and slam dunk into oblivion ANYONE who dares to contradict them.
Bottom line?? We ain't equal and we never will be. It doesn't matter what cause you are fighting for, there will always be someone to shoot you down. The very nature of a 'fight' means at least two protagonists. Yep, I'll play devil's advocate if it means exposing some people for the mind numbingly boring band wagon chasers that they are but I'll also stand alongside someone who has put together a very reasoned argument and I'll support them.

Let's not forget Wishy that it was you that brought up this subject in the first place, and in such an insulting, patronising, and yes.... misguided...... way too. No-one jumped on the "band wagon", it just so happens that the majority of the board disagrees with you. So, WIshy, you carry on playing the naive devil's advocate on a subject that many of us have displayed much more knowledge, both academically and from lifelong experience. You try your best to "expose" as many "band wagon chasers" as you like. I suspect what will happen is that you will simply alienate yourself from a forum who's members simply won't put up with bigotted bullshit.
Anyways, Wishy.... admitting you are playing devil's advocate in this way displays all the thinking and behaviour of a troll.....
Trip trap trip trap trip trap.....................................

Just to get my 2p in, I think Bluexxx hit the nail on the head with this post. Trolling is annoying whether it's a newbie or somebody who should know better, and I'm quite glad action has been taken (which is not to say that I have any opinion on whether any ban should be permanent, as that's not for me to decide).

14 Oct 2005

Quote by RedHot

asked himself to be deactivated in PM ???

Gem. x

No he hasn't. The choice was made for him . . .
T-J
Is this an assumption TJ or do you know for certain? Cos if this is true... I really do think it's unfair to makehim a scapegoat and ban him for expressing a personal view.... all be it one I disagreed with and thought he could have articualted in a less agressive way.... but if he's broken AUP then........ banned he is and its kinda tough cookies. dunno

:kiss:
Gem. x

14 Oct 2005

Quote by little gem

asked himself to be deactivated in PM ???

Gem. x

No he hasn't. The choice was made for him . . .
T-J
Is this an assumption TJ or do you know for certain?
:kiss:
Gem. x
No it is not an assumption. He has not asked to be deactivated confused

T-J

14 Oct 2005

Thanks TJ. I just wondered. smile

There are always two sides to the story though. Like I said... if he's broken AUP ban is fine, if not then he should be allowed back when he feels his flounce is over.
kiss

Gem. x

14 Oct 2005

Like i said.. I personally think wishy has been an asre......but i will defend his right to be an arse, even though i haven't agreed with a single word he has said, and has upset me as much as everyone else in the thread.....if he hasn't asked to be de-activated then i like most may find that to be a tad harsh......
Will i miss him contributing in the cafe??? after what he has said said in this thread, not one iota....
Should he be de-activated for what he said??? however misguided I think it is.... no!!

14 Oct 2005

Quote by Angel Chat
Is it usual to deactivate the accounts of flouncers? I actually thought they were only de-activated if they requested it but I could be wrong

It's happened before, this has happened before on several occassions when a user has said (and I paraphrase) "Well fuck ya then!", in all of those instances that I can recall the user emailed banned@swingingheaven.co.uk and were reactivated.

Quote by Fred aka Medic 1
Has he been deactivated : :?:
All I can see is these locked threads >>>>
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/55885.html
I think deactivation is a bit on the stong side even if he upset people including me.
phredd

You can check if someone has been deactivated by going to the members search facilty, click the "Find a username" button, do your search, say "wish*" to look for all users starting with wish, select the one you want from the drop down box then click select.
If the user is banned you get

Sorry, but that user does not exist.

Hope that helps.
Chris

14 Oct 2005

Post from the Mods
Wishmaster was not banned because he flounced per se, nor was he banned for expressing an opinion. He was temporarily de-activated to allow him to cool down and to think about the situation in terms of the amount of people he was upsetting by the way he was posting. The ban is not intended to be permanent, and the LMU threads have been locked for the time being as Wishmaster is not currently able to deal with PM queries.
Hope this clarifies the situation.