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I am not posting this thread about wishmaster as a person just picking up on a comment he made
If a newbie joined the site and described gay men as 'sticking their cocks up another guys shitter' they would be banned on the spot and noone would bat a eye lid, as regular members we are not above the rules, but as a regular member he lasted a lot longer than anyone else would have coming out with that statement, i also believe we should be allowed to our opinions but of our opinion go against what is accepted then we should be prepaired to be banned like anyone one else, permanent or other wise.
If regular members are allowed to 'get away' with such statements then how do you justify banning anyone...just because they are unknown?
If a newbie joined the site and described gay men as 'sticking their cocks up another guys shitter' they would be banned on the spot and noone would bat a eye lid, as regular members we are not above the rules, but as a regular member he lasted a lot longer than anyone else would have coming out with that statement, i also believe we should be allowed to our opinions but of our opinion go against what is accepted then we should be prepaired to be banned like anyone one else, permanent or other wise.
If regular members are allowed to 'get away' with such statements then how do you justify banning anyone...just because they are unknown?
Quote by Fred aka Medic 1
Damned if we do - damned if we don't!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damn you Sgt. Bilko with those witty and insightful quotes!
oops Marm
At first sight and reading that I took it as "incitefull quotes"
Shall I go home
: phredd
I admit that I almost misspelled it as that, but it wasn't Sgt. that was being inciteful.
Can I come too? What's for lunch?
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I am not posting this thread about wishmaster as a person just picking up on a comment he made
If a newbie joined the site and described gay men as 'sticking their cocks up another guys shitter' they would be banned on the spot and noone would bat a eye lid, as regular members we are not above the rules, but as a regular member he lasted a lot longer than anyone else would have coming out with that statement, i also believe we should be allowed to our opinions but of our opinion go against what is accepted then we should be prepaired to be banned like anyone one else, permanent or other wise.
If regular members are allowed to 'get away' with such statements then how do you justify banning anyone...just because they are unknown?
That is the most sensible post i've read from one of "the establishment"!
There have been several posts from mods and respected members which I personally have found very very questionable; but this is the only time i can think of that something has actually been done about somebody who has the "purple post" bar up to the top.
It's nice to see something does get done...
However!
I'm glad to see its a temporary ban as, even though his views were absolutely remarkable, they were posted on a thread called "The Steam Room" which is intended to be a release of anger on the board. So in a strange way at least it was in the right place!
And everyone can have off days were they have a bit of a temper - and from all acounts Wishmaster is a decent guy. Having never met the guy i couldn't say whether he is or not, but what is certain is that he has actively took part in the scene for a while, never really had many complaints thus far, and is generally liked.
So, in short, the Mods have got this spot on. A "cool down" ban, establishing that a "law for all" exists and it has probably made a bit of headway into dismissing the fabled "Clique" that apparently exists on SH.
Sex God
Just butchered your post 3someinpreston! :grin:
Agreed completely and I think this was a good decision and it does show that modding on the boards can be firm but fair.
Gem. x
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So in a strange way at least it was in the right place!
Agreed... but the Steam room still holds true to AUP and I don't think it should be used as a place to write whatever you want to or about whomever in order to fulfill one's own personal agendas. It says on the first page... what gets you banned on the rest of the board get you banned in here.
And everyone can have off days were they have a bit of a temper
Very true :thumbup:
So, in short, the Mods have got this spot on. A "cool down" ban, establishing that a "law for all" exists and it has probably made a bit of headway into dismissing the fabled "Clique" that apparently exists on SH.
Agreed completely and I think this was a good decision and it does show that modding on the boards can be firm but fair.
Gem. x
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I am not posting this thread about wishmaster as a person just picking up on a comment he made
If a newbie joined the site and described gay men as 'sticking their cocks up another guys shitter' they would be banned on the spot and noone would bat a eye lid, as regular members we are not above the rules, but as a regular member he lasted a lot longer than anyone else would have coming out with that statement, i also believe we should be allowed to our opinions but of our opinion go against what is accepted then we should be prepaired to be banned like anyone one else, permanent or other wise.
If regular members are allowed to 'get away' with such statements then how do you justify banning anyone...just because they are unknown?
A well presented view NN.
I think the mods are in a very difficult situation with something like this, here is a typical case of being "damned if we do and damned if we don't". It was not just a distasteful post, it was a continual and gradually more insulting post as time went on. It appears he could not see the woods for the trees. I agree with the decision to allow him rope and his right to his opinion, however, it depends how that opinion is expressed. That way he could have stopped and tried to properly justify his actions and re evaluate his wording and phrasing. Some of the vocabulary he used was not only distasteful it was unnecessary and in my opinion was used to promote distaste and intentionally upset people. Some bisexual men will have been very stirred and extremely upset by not merely his post but more so of the words he used.
I think when someone goes over the top like this then there is always a hidden agenda or agendas. Again in my opinion he needs professional help to discover why he had such a need to intentionally and continually stab at the heart of some people or some event. It was almost akin to a frenzied attack on either a group of activities ie Pride events or a group of people. His declaration of being bi made the posts even more confusing but still very insulting. We all make mistakes in our postings and many of us then either retract or reword our remarks. How often do we hear people say " I am sorry if this came out wrong, I didn't mean it that way" this is the civilised way. I never heard that from Wishmaster, just continual verbal insults to-wards Pride events and the gay community plus other march days. I repeat that I know he said he was himself bi, however, the mere fact of being British does not allow us or justify a attack all British people regardless. I know this is a over simplification but its the best analogy I can come up with over my lunch.
If Wishmaster regrets his actions and declares this in open forum then I for one will welcome him back. If he continues to feel he was justified in his posts, remarks, vocabulary and the way he went about it then perhaps he may not be comfortable returning.
Regardless of whether the ban was right or not is really immaterial because it isn't a permanent ban. He has now been given a chance to redeem himself. Even if he returns and doesn't at least make an attempt at redemption then his position here is never going to be the same as it was. His destiny regarding this site is in his own hands. Decrying the mods for their actions in this particular case ( temp deactivation to cool down ) wont help anyone. They should be supported if only to inform us all that we can not continually run roughshod over peoples feelings, insult them, troll and simply get away with it. The site has to be policed and its often a no win situation when doing so.
Judy
Can't argue with what you have said Judy. Its changed my opinion as to the temporary ban. well done mods
Sorry to change the subject but i feel a rant coming on,,,,,,,,,Walking the kids back from school a woman and her kids came up behind us on their bikes,insisting that they we would have let them pass then my kids wouldve been pushed into a load of nettles,so i turned around and told her that bikes should be used on the then basically pushed by us chuntering that it was too dangerous to ride on the its acceptable for my kids to get stung then?? :x
Surely if its too damn dangerous to bike on the road then dont bloody bike ffs :x :x :x :x
Rant over
Quote by Clare and Steve
Walking the kids back from school a woman and her kids came up behind us on their bikes,insisting that they we would have let them pass then my kids wouldve been pushed into a load of nettles,so i turned around and told her that bikes should be used on the then basically pushed by us chuntering that it was too dangerous to ride on the its acceptable for my kids to get stung then?? :x
Surely if its too damn dangerous to bike on the road then dont bloody bike ffs :x :x :x :x
Rant over
I hate bloody bikes especially those cycle lanes in Amsterdam. Nearly got run over several times not realising I was standing in one
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Right i want to let of steam about something
(sorry going to totally change the subject here)
Last night my 11 year old daughter, while out with her friend at the shops, was attacked by a fully grown man, she has a mobile which she wears round her neck on one of these rope thingys all the kids wear, anyway he decided he wanted her phone and grabbed it snapping the cord and as kids do she tryed to stop him at which point he punched her in the face and kicked her a few times around the legs area, now lucky for my daughter she was outside the shops and some people coming out the shop who saw what was happening came to her aid, as you can imagine she was pretty shaken when she got home but sadly she didn't know the guy who did it and neither did anyone who witnessed the attack so i wondred if it was worth calling the police.
But when i got up this morning it was playing on my mind and i decided i had to call the police just incase he hurt any other kids so they at least had a record of the guy and who to look out for, so i called the local police station and told them what happened and in reply i got......so what do you want us to do about it? :shock: so i explained that i though they may have been grateful for a description incase it tryed it again etc and in reply i got.....well if you find out who he is give me a call and we'll see if we can help, we are to busy to come out for such minor incidences at the moment :shock: :shock:
now excuse me but isn't it their job to find out who criminals are? as for minor incidence, ok so as it happens she was luck there was people around to help but had she been away from the shops would he have stopped and ran off when he did?
is it really safe for me to be walking the streets looking for a guy who has no problem punching children?
not sure wether i'm more ranting over the :censored: who hurt my child in the first place or the total lack of interest i got from the police
but thats it rant over
Did you get back in touch with the police NN as they have to do something. It is classed as theft (I know this from experience) and if you haven't already call the network provider and have the sim and phone blocked that way it will be useless to anyone; even if they buy a new sim card they won't be able to use it.
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Right i want to let of steam about something
(sorry going to totally change the subject here)
Last night my 11 year old daughter, while out with her friend at the shops, was attacked by a fully grown man, she has a mobile which she wears round her neck on one of these rope thingys all the kids wear, anyway he decided he wanted her phone and grabbed it snapping the cord and as kids do she tryed to stop him at which point he punched her in the face and kicked her a few times around the legs area, now lucky for my daughter she was outside the shops and some people coming out the shop who saw what was happening came to her aid, as you can imagine she was pretty shaken when she got home but sadly she didn't know the guy who did it and neither did anyone who witnessed the attack so i wondred if it was worth calling the police.
But when i got up this morning it was playing on my mind and i decided i had to call the police just incase he hurt any other kids so they at least had a record of the guy and who to look out for, so i called the local police station and told them what happened and in reply i got......so what do you want us to do about it? :shock: so i explained that i though they may have been grateful for a description incase it tryed it again etc and in reply i got.....well if you find out who he is give me a call and we'll see if we can help, we are to busy to come out for such minor incidences at the moment :shock: :shock:
now excuse me but isn't it their job to find out who criminals are? as for minor incidence, ok so as it happens she was luck there was people around to help but had she been away from the shops would he have stopped and ran off when he did?
is it really safe for me to be walking the streets looking for a guy who has no problem punching children?
not sure wether i'm more ranting over the :censored: who hurt my child in the first place or the total lack of interest i got from the police
but thats it rant over
Did you get back in touch with the police NN as they have to do something. It is classed as theft (I know this from experience) and if you haven't already call the network provider and have the sim and phone blocked that way it will be useless to anyone; even if they buy a new sim card they won't be able to use it.
i did get back in touch with the police, i went down to the station about lunch time and did a sit in :lol2: the guy on the desk was actually quite hellpfull and said they would look into the way i was treated by the phone help desk, someone is coming out later this evening to take a statement, so we'll just have to see what happens.
As for the phone he didn't actually get away with it, when the people came out the shop and went over to help her i think he must have dropped it on all the comation but the case is all smashed up but its a nokia so a new case isn't much for it, not that the phone matters but shes quite upset about it, thats kids for you i suppose
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Now here is a minority group I can get stuck bunch of smug self satifisfied uninsured b's
and old people on them batterys scooter thingys
now i'm all for independance but they drive on busy roads, i even had to call the cops once cause one was going round a main roundabout in dudley the wrong way :shock: (i think he had the safer to face on coming traffic thing in mind) but old people really do need lessons on how to use them things, not just let loose on the streets as soon as they buy them
Maybe somewhere along the line we have all missed an important fact.... the whole concept of a Steam Room is doomed to failure from Day 1...
In reality, a "mouthpiece for anger" is inherently flawed and will only offer/generate more situations such as what we have experienced over the past few days..where a member of the site clashes with other members over contrasting views...with one member getting deactivated whilst the opposing members remain on the site (shouldnt they too be cooling off?).....
Its a no win situation for the SITE in total... and to be honest this Steam Room thread has provided little or no usefull value...
OK. so yes we get debate but i can go to work or the pub or anywhere else for such conversations as cam most members. we must not loose sight of the fact that this a swinging site... am sure the internet provides many other places for mass debate(excuse the pun) of issues of "anger"..and thats where the Steam Room belongs....elsewhere.....
My suggestion is that if anything should be locked for ever..its the Stream Room...
David
In reality, a "mouthpiece for anger" is inherently flawed and will only offer/generate more situations such as what we have experienced over the past few days..where a member of the site clashes with other members over contrasting views...with one member getting deactivated whilst the opposing members remain on the site (shouldnt they too be cooling off?).....
Its a no win situation for the SITE in total... and to be honest this Steam Room thread has provided little or no usefull value...
OK. so yes we get debate but i can go to work or the pub or anywhere else for such conversations as cam most members. we must not loose sight of the fact that this a swinging site... am sure the internet provides many other places for mass debate(excuse the pun) of issues of "anger"..and thats where the Steam Room belongs....elsewhere.....
My suggestion is that if anything should be locked for ever..its the Stream Room...
David
Sex God
Bikes! They should do as I did,........... take them on the bus instead!
reading some of the posts made me think back to a few discussions we have had with friends
concerning society today and its tolerance ,policing and the decling respect
its seems that intodays society we have far too many people who in some bizzare way have the opinion that they know best now im sure (and im not underminig all those long ,hard days at uni)they feel better educated they are than the rest the more they can dictate what they have learned is best,as this is the case in some aspects i feel its not in all
society today with all the softly softly approach seems to be having the adverese affect with children who are violent and abusive getting younger and younger,granted they seem to be alert and aware more now then when i was young about the system,we all now about punishments dealt to us by either the school or by our parents and i feel untill this is re-instated without the child being able to sue there own parents for abuse is ridiculous
now before peeps jump up and down about child violence i donot condone that in the slightest ,but unfortunatly it stills goes on with or without the law preventing parents from correcting there kids physically,this is where the money from sending violent ,disruptiveand malice children to various theme parks,holidays etc should be re-distributed to the nspcc
but without the threat or minister of punishment we are seeing the effects today of gangs ,shootings etc believe me i live not far from where the 2 girls got killed xmas in birmingham and when you see kids of 8 upwards in gangs it makes you wounder
pherhaps we should ditch the softly sofly approach and take a more severe stance the old saying "do the crime do the time" maybe we can bring back a more lawfull and respecful society in the future
hope i have explained this ok if not forgive me im better at speacking than writing it lol
concerning society today and its tolerance ,policing and the decling respect
its seems that intodays society we have far too many people who in some bizzare way have the opinion that they know best now im sure (and im not underminig all those long ,hard days at uni)they feel better educated they are than the rest the more they can dictate what they have learned is best,as this is the case in some aspects i feel its not in all
society today with all the softly softly approach seems to be having the adverese affect with children who are violent and abusive getting younger and younger,granted they seem to be alert and aware more now then when i was young about the system,we all now about punishments dealt to us by either the school or by our parents and i feel untill this is re-instated without the child being able to sue there own parents for abuse is ridiculous
now before peeps jump up and down about child violence i donot condone that in the slightest ,but unfortunatly it stills goes on with or without the law preventing parents from correcting there kids physically,this is where the money from sending violent ,disruptiveand malice children to various theme parks,holidays etc should be re-distributed to the nspcc
but without the threat or minister of punishment we are seeing the effects today of gangs ,shootings etc believe me i live not far from where the 2 girls got killed xmas in birmingham and when you see kids of 8 upwards in gangs it makes you wounder
pherhaps we should ditch the softly sofly approach and take a more severe stance the old saying "do the crime do the time" maybe we can bring back a more lawfull and respecful society in the future
hope i have explained this ok if not forgive me im better at speacking than writing it lol
The way I see it how can you expect young people to behave in a good and moral manner. When your so called leaders are such utter scum. Blair teaches bully the weak and you can get what you want. Simple we need a revolution and we need it now. Oh dear think I am gonna be arrested. No its gonna be a peacefull one does that save me
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As far as I am aware, after reading through this thread completely, Wishmaster did not post anything that contravened the AUP. Whether people agree or disagree with his comments they are still his and to my mind he is entitled to air them.
What happened to free speech on these forums...if you start temporarily banning people because their opinions dont sit well with some, where are you going to draw the line?
Do we all need to be careful not to offer a different view of a topic for fear of being banned...where will it end?
Bob
I think that Wishmaster was temp banned for his own good....just in case he said something that he may regret.....it was just a cooling off period.I believe they did the right thing.
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The way I see it how can you expect young people to behave in a good and moral manner. When your so called leaders are such utter scum. Blair teaches bully the weak and you can get what you want. Simple we need a revolution and we need it now. Oh dear think I am gonna be arrested. No its gonna be a peacefull one does that save me
may i ask was you brought up respectful,polite
was that to do with the priminister at the time i hardly doubt that its not 1 man is many
example how many people has he wanted to deport but wait for it the human rights peeps just will not allow it
everything is getting out of hand wot about our human rights at the hands of the violence today or does that not matter
get the do goodies outta the way and get back to basisics and taech them respect and tolerance and if they dont then they shoulb be punished for there crimes
how many estates have you read about or heard about that are terrorised by gangs of youths forget the "tagging" forget the nice little holidays the days out,they wanna play the hard ball its about time we did and sent them to places like (when i was young) young offenders institutes
excuse my grammer
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The way I see it how can you expect young people to behave in a good and moral manner. When your so called leaders are such utter scum. Blair teaches bully the weak and you can get what you want. Simple we need a revolution and we need it now. Oh dear think I am gonna be arrested. No its gonna be a peacefull one does that save me
may i ask was you brought up respectful,polite
was that to do with the priminister at the time i hardly doubt that its not 1 man is many
example how many people has he wanted to deport but wait for it the human rights peeps just will not allow it
everything is getting out of hand wot about our human rights at the hands of the violence today or does that not matter
get the do goodies outta the way and get back to basisics and taech them respect and tolerance and if they dont then they shoulb be punished for there crimes
how many estates have you read about or heard about that are terrorised by gangs of youths forget the "tagging" forget the nice little holidays the days out,they wanna play the hard ball its about time we did and sent them to places like (when i was young) young offenders institutes
excuse my grammer
I am afraid we live in a media driven age. The young today look at the TV and see politicians, celebs etc behaving in really immoral ways. The rot has set in at the top its time for them to go
Sex God
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it really pisses me off how you carnt go out no a days for a good night without there being grief of some sort it really flucks me off!!!!!!!!!
Whatever you do don't mention the Big Issue!
Damn... i had forgotten about the Big issue stuff until you brought it up...... you made me spit out me guinness you git!!!!!
