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Has anyone seen the newspapers today???
How about Fatty Two Jags' new way of taxing us mad :x :x
If you live in a nice quiet cul-de-sac
have an extension
Overlook a lake or river
have a garage or paved area for parking.....The list goes on...
you are gonna(under new proposals) pay even more pole/council tax than you do already :x :x :x
Looks like dingy terraced houses with a view of the local power station and nowhere to park your car and no garden are gonna be prime real estate before much longer...
WTF is this country coming to ????
Quote by Steve_Mids
Looks like dingy terraced houses with a view of the local power station and nowhere to park your car and no garden are gonna be prime real estate before much longer...
WTF is this country coming to ????

:cry: I love my "dingy" terraced house and it's tiny back yard :cry:
Do kinda see your point though
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"No it doesn't work like that" she said presumptuously. "It's so people like you ( :!: :!: mad :x outraged :x :x :!: :!: ) can accept THEIR faith and THEIR beliefs."

To me this sounds like my old employee management team (NON MEDICAL) working overtime again with stupid ideas. rolleyes
phredd
Its a little bit like this rubbish in the papers at the moment about having to rename 'christmas lights' as 'winter lights' - usual case of pc gone wrong!
Quote by TallFunLondon
Its a little bit like this rubbish in the papers at the moment about having to rename 'christmas lights' as 'winter lights' - usual case of pc gone wrong!

Yup! It's total madness.
My sister's young children attend a school where normally at Christmas, each child would gather some little gifts in a shoe box and they in turn would be given to a child in a Romanian orphanage.
One of the Teachers and her husband would hire a vehicle and take them out etc so no cost to the school itself. This has been done every year since the mid 1990's.
This year the new Headmistress has decided it *would upset people of multicultural faiths to be exposed to these charitable boxes, and lower their self esteem* :!: rolleyes mad
WTF??! How many small children would turn one of these boxes away on the grounds that it humiliated them? All children love to receive gifts surely?
I think it is PC gone mad and imo only serves to keep the feeling of alienation alive and kicking evil
Tracy-Jayne
People who reply to your ad, give no details what-so-ever, and then email back in half an hour to say reply to email!!
Not for one minute considering you could be at work, shopping, or even shagging for that matter! Wankers.
Here's an example received this morning...........
Quote by knobber at a.m
hi,
I am complete virgin to this but also free at the moment could meet for drink if you would like

Quote by Same knobber at a.m.
sorry to bother again if your not interested, but could you let me know if you got my mail.
Thanks

Knobber

And some people wonder why they never get a response to their emails!!
How the feck are we supposed to work out if that person meets our requirements! - sending emails like that guarentees no response from us rolleyes
Quote by TallFunLondon
Its a little bit like this rubbish in the papers at the moment about having to rename 'christmas lights' as 'winter lights' - usual case of pc gone wrong!

They say this not to offend other religious groups but they are offending the very religion that celebrates Christmas......and your find other religious groups don't have a problem at all!
:happy: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :happy:
I've just opened a letter offering me an interview for a really cool job!
:thrilled: :happy: :happy: :happy: :thrilled:
Hmmm... the last few days my luck seems to have taken a turn up, perhaps I should buy a lottery ticket?
Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest, Mrs. DP is out at work so I can't :bounce: at her yet.
Am right with ya there DP :thumbup:
Have recently applied for loads of jobs as financially I need to be in full-time work before Xmas, sent off a wad of applications last week, and am now in the predicament of having being offered an interview for every one I applied for :shock: biggrin
No, I know its not a predicament really - I'm very very fortunate to have the offers - just have to go through the whole interview ordeal umpteen times! :scared:
Now, I just need a damn job!! rolleyes
Quote by Steve_Mids
Has anyone seen the newspapers today???
How about Fatty Two Jags' new way of taxing us mad :x :x
If you live in a nice quiet cul-de-sac
have an extension
Overlook a lake or river
have a garage or paved area for parking.....The list goes on...
you are gonna(under new proposals) pay even more pole/council tax than you do already :x :x :x
Looks like dingy terraced houses with a view of the local power station and nowhere to park your car and no garden are gonna be prime real estate before much longer...
WTF is this country coming to ????

Bugger - the only one of those criteria our new house doesn't meet is the lake/river view confused
Quote by freckledbird
Has anyone seen the newspapers today???
How about Fatty Two Jags' new way of taxing us mad :x :x
If you live in a nice quiet cul-de-sac
have an extension
Overlook a lake or river
have a garage or paved area for parking.....The list goes on...
you are gonna(under new proposals) pay even more pole/council tax than you do already :x :x :x
Looks like dingy terraced houses with a view of the local power station and nowhere to park your car and no garden are gonna be prime real estate before much longer...
WTF is this country coming to ????

Bugger - the only one of those criteria our new house doesn't meet is the lake/river view confused
Looks like your gonna be in the shit then FB
Quote by Steve_Mids
Has anyone seen the newspapers today???
How about Fatty Two Jags' new way of taxing us mad :x :x
If you live in a nice quiet cul-de-sac
have an extension
Overlook a lake or river
have a garage or paved area for parking.....The list goes on...
you are gonna(under new proposals) pay even more pole/council tax than you do already :x :x :x
Looks like dingy terraced houses with a view of the local power station and nowhere to park your car and no garden are gonna be prime real estate before much longer...
WTF is this country coming to ????

Oh no!! What is the world coming to, they are planning on taxing those people who live in larger more valuable houses more than people who live in small terraces!
That is so unfair! Lets go back to a blanket Poll Tax so that the single parent in a bedsit pays just as much as the businessman in his 4 bedroom detached house.
That would be so much fairer.
Quote by rogerthedragon
Has anyone seen the newspapers today???
How about Fatty Two Jags' new way of taxing us mad :x :x
If you live in a nice quiet cul-de-sac
have an extension
Overlook a lake or river
have a garage or paved area for parking.....The list goes on...
you are gonna(under new proposals) pay even more pole/council tax than you do already :x :x :x
Looks like dingy terraced houses with a view of the local power station and nowhere to park your car and no garden are gonna be prime real estate before much longer...
WTF is this country coming to ????

Oh no!! What is the world coming to, they are planning on taxing those people who live in larger more valuable houses more than people who live in small terraces!
That is so unfair! Lets go back to a blanket Poll Tax so that the single parent in a bedsit pays just as much as the businessman in his 4 bedroom detached house.
That would be so much fairer.
And by the same token why should anyone who has worked hard and made improvements to their home have to pay even more money than they allready do????
Quote by Steve_Mids
And by the same token why should anyone who has worked hard and made improvements to their home have to pay even more money than they allready do????

Mostly because if you can afford to improve your house you can afford the extra tax. But then I am a frustrated socialist at heart. :twisted:
Just because I have a nice view from my house and a driveway for my car, how does that equate to putting out more rubbish, having more street lights than the guy across the road without my view and having more bobbies on the beat patrolling my side of the road instead of his?
Sorry, you've lost me on this. I already pay my council Tax based on what my house is valued, why add another reason which is not directly connected to the services I'm already paying for?
Mal
I live in a house by a river .......... in a quiet little village. (well I did before Steve took me off to his cave) :giggle:
Rubbish is only collected once a fortnight ........... no street lights ...........no local police............ no facilities ....... no nothing ................... and my council tax is much much higher than someone who lives 14 miles up the road in the nearest town with far more being provided by their local council !
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by rogerthedragon

And by the same token why should anyone who has worked hard and made improvements to their home have to pay even more money than they allready do????

Mostly because if you can afford to improve your house you can afford the extra tax. But then I am a frustrated socialist at heart. :twisted:
Well based on that there's a lot to be said for being anti-social then..
We live in a cul-de-sac and have paved an area outside our house for parking so why the fluck should we pay more than we already do??
Are the services gonna be improved??
Very doubtfull..
Council tax is all wrong in the first place,we even have to pay for our own binbags FFS mad
I dont see why lower income people should pay th same amount as those with much more should be worked out on income and nothing else imo.
Quote by Sexysteph
So Steve you think that a Family Carer who has an income of £66 per week £76 pound when they get their Christmas bonus should be paying the same rate as say A footballer on £15,000 a week.
Get Real it has to be based on ABILITY to Pay.
I would love to be able to go out to work and do what I was trained for. Instead I have my brother, aged 37, 6ft2 built like a brick outhouse with severe learning disabilities and Autistic. I have my Mother, aged 65, with Multiple Sclerosis but fighting it like fuck and my father aged 73 who has progressive senility. I am on call with them 24 hours a frigging day and for that I get £66 per week.
Fuck the businessmen lets look after the people who save this government over 6 BILLION a year by looking after the relatives.
NOW TELL ME LIFE AINT FAIR FOR THE POOR DOWNTRODDEN BUSINESSMEN.
Shireen knows just how I feel on a daily basis when YOU had your heart problems - the constant worry and the stress is very very real for the Carer. Add to that the financial burden and is it any suprise that 4 out of 5 carers become the cared for. Due to lack of support and adequate training (which would be given to anyone who works in the field)
I do not even appear on the Jobless stats - nor do any Family Carers. We cannot claim subsidies for public transport use which we could if we were signing on. We cannot sign on as you have to show you are actively seeking work - which we cannot do unless we put all relatives in homes. (there aint the spaces or finances available to any Local authority for that purpose) We are given an allowance for caring but that is TAKEN OFF of the income support as money coming in
SO tell me where is life fair for Carers and you still advocate everyone to pay the fucking same mad :x :x :x :x :x :x
Sorry if this sounds harsh
Steph

If your a carer for your family and not in payed employment you don't pay tax anyway confused
Quote by Sexysteph
So Steve you think that a Family Carer who has an income of £66 per week £76 pound when they get their Christmas bonus should be paying the same rate as say A footballer on £15,000 a week.
Get Real it has to be based on ABILITY to Pay.
I would love to be able to go out to work and do what I was trained for. Instead I have my brother, aged 37, 6ft2 built like a brick outhouse with severe learning disabilities and Autistic. I have my Mother, aged 65, with Multiple Sclerosis but fighting it like fuck and my father aged 73 who has progressive senility. I am on call with them 24 hours a frigging day and for that I get £66 per week.
Fuck the businessmen lets look after the people who save this government over 6 BILLION a year by looking after the relatives.
NOW TELL ME LIFE AINT FAIR FOR THE POOR DOWNTRODDEN BUSINESSMEN.
Shireen knows just how I feel on a daily basis when YOU had your heart problems - the constant worry and the stress is very very real for the Carer. Add to that the financial burden and is it any suprise that 4 out of 5 carers become the cared for. Due to lack of support and adequate training (which would be given to anyone who works in the field)
I do not even appear on the Jobless stats - nor do any Family Carers. We cannot claim subsidies for public transport use which we could if we were signing on. We cannot sign on as you have to show you are actively seeking work - which we cannot do unless we put all relatives in homes. (there aint the spaces or finances available to any Local authority for that purpose) We are given an allowance for caring but that is TAKEN OFF of the income support as money coming in
SO tell me where is life fair for Carers and you still advocate everyone to pay the fucking same mad :x :x :x :x :x :x
Sorry if this sounds harsh
Steph

Where have I said that everyone must pay the same?????
NOWHERE
I object to the fact that I will have to pay even more than I do now(alost £1000 a year) when I will receive NO improvements in services whatsoever..
You dont need to remind me obout financial burdens either Steph as we are still paying back the 4 figure overdraft and I doubt it will be cleared in the next 12 months..
So before you go ripping into me in future just have a readof what I have written and make sure I have actually said what you think I have..
Sorry if that sounds harsh..
Steph
you're missing the point.
If a footballer is earning £15,000 a week (can't be much of a footballer for one thing!) and has paid millions for his property, he is already paying more in council tax. He is also paying a lot more through income Tax and National Insurance costs, plus he is unlilely to be a burden on the NHS as he will have private medical insurance.
If the allowances you claim or cannot claim are not sufficient for your needs, then it is those allowances you need to look at, not just lump it onto a different argument. Your situation is justified for a separate argument, but not this one, it's irrelevent.
Mal
Quote by Sexysteph
Shireen knows just how I feel on a daily basis when YOU had your heart problems - the constant worry and the stress is very very real for the Carer. Add to that the financial burden and is it any suprise that 4 out of 5 carers become the cared for. Due to lack of support and adequate training (which would be given to anyone who works in the field)

I still have the constant stress Steph...... Following Steve's heart attack he was off work for 3 months with only a very basic pay..... That means that we now have an overdraft of 4 figures.....
Now just because we both work full time and normally have what would be considered a good wage coming into the house we should pay more that anyone else???..... Yeah right!!
Sorry but it is going back to the days of robbing the rich to pay the poor..... Maybe just maybe the rich have got their money by working very fucking hard for it, so why should they be penalised for it??
Shireen (Who is curently at home not getting paid because she is too ill to drive to work mad )
Ah, now Council Tax is a bee who buzzes angrily in my bonnet.
I don't work. There are good reasons for that - I'm not going to explain that unless pushed. My income goes up by about two per cent a year but sometimes council tax goes up by twenty per cent. How long before my entire income goes to the council? I did a spreadsheet a year or two ago and it's about twenty years. My biggest bill is council tax.
A couple lof years ago I applied for Council Tax Benefit. The procedure is demeaning. The clerk who helped me introduced himself as John Smit (it's ok, mods - that isn't his real name). I said "hello John" and he said "That's Mr Smith to you". AND I ACCEPTED IT.
After showing my last two months bank statements and answering what I saw as really intrusive questions I was awarded 23 pence a week.
A year later Mr Smith wrote to me asking me to apply agaim.
I Didn't - and I won't until I have to.
Council Tax has to be based on "Ability to Pay" ie, an income tax.
Mollie
The thing is if you need help paying council tax it is there, if you are on a low income you can get help towards it, b4 i started working and we was on family credit with Pauls job we got about 60% of our council tax payed for us, if your not working you don't pay any anyway, if you have a income which is over what they say you need to live on then you pay full tax as we now do since i started woring as well, so everyone does not pay the same anyway, if you need it the help is there
Have you actually tried reading what Steve said Steph??
rolleyes
Quote by Sexysteph
No Mal it isn't
Steve is advocating EVERYONE paying the same. To me this brings Carers well into his argument. Council Tax should be on ABILITY TO PAY not a Blanket Tax.
I am just pointing out that there are sectors in society who could not in all honesty pay a blanket tax and why. The Goverment seem to think Carers are irrelevant too.
Yes the allowances are crap but we live with them - what I hate is the BLANKET arguments by businessmen who do NOT see real life.

NO I AM NOT
NOWHERE have i said that everybody should pay the same banghead :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Quote by Sexysteph
No Mal it isn't
Steve is advocating EVERYONE paying the same. To me this brings Carers well into his argument. Council Tax should be on ABILITY TO PAY not a Blanket Tax.
I am just pointing out that there are sectors in society who could not in all honesty pay a blanket tax and why. The Goverment seem to think Carers are irrelevant too.
Yes the allowances are crap but we live with them - what I hate is the BLANKET arguments by businessmen who do NOT see real life.

The thing is Steph tax is on your incame not your job being a carer has nothing to do with it, if your not working and are a full time carer for your family you get your council tax payed for you anyway, not unemployed carer (and by un emplyed i mean not in payed work i know caring is work i have done it for my mother) pays tax
it is based on ability to pay if you don't work you don't pay it
if your on a low income you get help with paying
if you can pay you do pay
Quote by Sexysteph
Sorry but its something I feel strongly about it should be based on ABILITY to PAY

Hey that is fine by me...... The way our finances are at the minute we shouldn't have to pay sod all then....
But I still agree with Steve why should we pay more because we have a paved drive or because we have a view of a lake.... FFS they will be taxing us on the fact that we breathe next... rolleyes
Quote by Sexysteph
Steve_Mids said
That is so unfair! Lets go back to a blanket Poll Tax so that the single parent in a bedsit pays just as much as the businessman in his 4 bedroom detached house

Sorry guys but Carers can live in bedsits too and be single parents
So yes Shireen I did read what he said
Sorry but its something I feel strongly about it should be based on ABILITY to PAY
No he didn't say that, Roger did.
Mal