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7 Jul 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
i am sorry if the world is more complex and less black and white than you both might imagine,
A quote from a well respected the study on fantasies
"Aversive fantasies. Of all the fantasies written, 9% were completely aversive. In all aversive fantasies, self-character non-consent was real; and in nearly all, the self-character was resistant throughout the interaction (91%).
Women who had been comprised 21% of the sample. Of the aversive fantasies, 36% were written by women who had been . Further, there was a negative point biserial correlation between history of being and the continuum score (r=-.23, p < .05); those who had been wrote logs that were more aversive than erotic."
the full study is here,

There is also evidence,although i cant find the study that some survivors find playing out their fantasies in a different context empowering.
Rob,i object to the use of the word to refer to things other than non consensual there is a good debate to be had about whether in play it is ,and if it is not should it not have a different name.
What is currently happening to a child has nothing to do with the fantasy life of consenting adults.

i would consult the origin of if i was you it might stand you in good steed for future posts

7 Jul 2010

Quote by tweeky
If you are going to try erotic asphyxia with a partner, maybe the partner should consider some CPR training, just in case. ;)

Might be good to read up on manslaughter laws as well or just keep the number of a good barrister :thumbup:
YOu'd want the number of a good solicitor - they'd engage the barrister once you had a court date...

7 Jul 2010

Quote by awayman
If you are going to try erotic asphyxia with a partner, maybe the partner should consider some CPR training, just in case. ;)

Might be good to read up on manslaughter laws as well or just keep the number of a good barrister :thumbup:
YOu'd want the number of a good solicitor - they'd engage the barrister once you had a court date...
having a daughter in law that works in temple we have no need for solicitors but if you need a reference then my local council would verify whot i have to say :giggle::giggle:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I think thats just emotional incorrect typing by Kaz

Seems you was wrong and I was right.
Even before a room is introduced you have a woman telling us that a VICTIM can fantasise about being again.,...utter rubbish. Why is it that sometimes I think people say things purely for shock value?
People can introduce links as much as they like, probably from some lefty Uni tosser, who then does a study of whatever bollox, and then comes up with a bunch of figures which to me mean nothing at all.
I cannot find any reason at all why any woman after being , which invariably means violently, would actually contemplate or even think about wanting that again....if they did they really need to be put away under the mental health act.
I am really suprised that other women have not answered this to be honest.
Produce as many links as you like, it will not alter the fact that IF a room is opened on here about , it will not be long before it is shut down.
I just cannot understand the thinking behind the site owners even contemplating a room such as this. Still is not my site and the proof will be in the pudding when it does not last a month, and God knows what kind of people will be attracted by a room with this in the title.
You might find this article educational - - although you'll probably dismiss the author (a real doctor, no less) as a lefty Uni tosser.
The fact that statistics mean nothing at all to you doesn't necessarily prove anything about the validity of the statistics - it might just be that you know the square root of nothing about statistics.

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i am sorry if the world is more complex and less black and white than you both might imagine,
A quote from a well respected the study on fantasies
"Aversive fantasies. Of all the fantasies written, 9% were completely aversive. In all aversive fantasies, self-character non-consent was real; and in nearly all, the self-character was resistant throughout the interaction (91%).
Women who had been comprised 21% of the sample. Of the aversive fantasies, 36% were written by women who had been . Further, there was a negative point biserial correlation between history of being and the continuum score (r=-.23, p < .05); those who had been wrote logs that were more aversive than erotic."
the full study is here,

There is also evidence,although i cant find the study that some survivors find playing out their fantasies in a different context empowering.
Rob,i object to the use of the word to refer to things other than non consensual there is a good debate to be had about whether in play it is ,and if it is not should it not have a different name.
What is currently happening to a child has nothing to do with the fantasy life of consenting adults.

then i would suggest that you clarify your point before making such statements
something that seems to change with your moods if read as has been on here
knowing a victim i think they would argue your point no end it also seems to go against the whole feminist movement which you belong
having been on here a short time kas with respect you do seem to have a rather large shovel that you constantly dig big holes with and i fear will swallow you up one day
and lets not kid our selves are you happy to be in real life to complete
a fantasy as i doubt very much that real women will in fact would agree to the fact of being violated in such away .
and even fewer would would suffer the violence that accompanies it
all in all kas my advice to you would be to stop digging and start climbing my love
Before you do the patronizing schtick you might wish to read this artile - it references some very good research

7 Jul 2010

Quote by awayman
i am sorry if the world is more complex and less black and white than you both might imagine,
A quote from a well respected the study on fantasies
"Aversive fantasies. Of all the fantasies written, 9% were completely aversive. In all aversive fantasies, self-character non-consent was real; and in nearly all, the self-character was resistant throughout the interaction (91%).
Women who had been comprised 21% of the sample. Of the aversive fantasies, 36% were written by women who had been . Further, there was a negative point biserial correlation between history of being and the continuum score (r=-.23, p < .05); those who had been wrote logs that were more aversive than erotic."
the full study is here,

There is also evidence,although i cant find the study that some survivors find playing out their fantasies in a different context empowering.
Rob,i object to the use of the word to refer to things other than non consensual there is a good debate to be had about whether in play it is ,and if it is not should it not have a different name.
What is currently happening to a child has nothing to do with the fantasy life of consenting adults.

then i would suggest that you clarify your point before making such statements
something that seems to change with your moods if read as has been on here
knowing a victim i think they would argue your point no end it also seems to go against the whole feminist movement which you belong
having been on here a short time kas with respect you do seem to have a rather large shovel that you constantly dig big holes with and i fear will swallow you up one day
and lets not kid our selves are you happy to be in real life to complete
a fantasy as i doubt very much that real women will in fact would agree to the fact of being violated in such away .
and even fewer would would suffer the violence that accompanies it
all in all kas my advice to you would be to stop digging and start climbing my love
Before you do the patronizing schtick you might wish to read this artile - it references some very good research
interesting link for a man that says there is no such thing as human nature
or do you change your stance to suit your moods too innocent

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
If you are going to try erotic asphyxia with a partner, maybe the partner should consider some CPR training, just in case. ;)

Might be good to read up on manslaughter laws as well or just keep the number of a good barrister :thumbup:
YOu'd want the number of a good solicitor - they'd engage the barrister once you had a court date...
having a daughter in law that works in temple we have no need for solicitors but if you need a reference then my local council would verify whit i have to say :giggle::giggle:
Para 603 (h) of the Barristers code of conduct applies; it is hard to imagine a case where you would not need to find evidence or to instruct expert witnesses.

7 Jul 2010

Quote by awayman
If you are going to try erotic asphyxia with a partner, maybe the partner should consider some CPR training, just in case. ;)

Might be good to read up on manslaughter laws as well or just keep the number of a good barrister :thumbup:
YOu'd want the number of a good solicitor - they'd engage the barrister once you had a court date...
having a daughter in law that works in temple we have no need for solicitors but if you need a reference then my local council would verify whit i have to say :giggle::giggle:
Para 603 (h) of the Barristers code of conduct applies; it is hard to imagine a case where you would not need to find evidence or to instruct expert witnesses.
sorry but the rest of these quotes are regard to asphyxia ...... this and usually are two different things in law :giggle::giggle:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i am sorry if the world is more complex and less black and white than you both might imagine,
A quote from a well respected the study on fantasies
"Aversive fantasies. Of all the fantasies written, 9% were completely aversive. In all aversive fantasies, self-character non-consent was real; and in nearly all, the self-character was resistant throughout the interaction (91%).
Women who had been comprised 21% of the sample. Of the aversive fantasies, 36% were written by women who had been . Further, there was a negative point biserial correlation between history of being and the continuum score (r=-.23, p < .05); those who had been wrote logs that were more aversive than erotic."
the full study is here,

There is also evidence,although i cant find the study that some survivors find playing out their fantasies in a different context empowering.
Rob,i object to the use of the word to refer to things other than non consensual there is a good debate to be had about whether in play it is ,and if it is not should it not have a different name.
What is currently happening to a child has nothing to do with the fantasy life of consenting adults.

then i would suggest that you clarify your point before making such statements
something that seems to change with your moods if read as has been on here
knowing a victim i think they would argue your point no end it also seems to go against the whole feminist movement which you belong
having been on here a short time kas with respect you do seem to have a rather large shovel that you constantly dig big holes with and i fear will swallow you up one day
and lets not kid our selves are you happy to be in real life to complete
a fantasy as i doubt very much that real women will in fact would agree to the fact of being violated in such away .
and even fewer would would suffer the violence that accompanies it
all in all kas my advice to you would be to stop digging and start climbing my love
Before you do the patronizing schtick you might wish to read this artile - it references some very good research
interesting link for a man that says there is no such thing as human nature
or do you change your stance to suit your moods too innocent

No I pointed you to an article that makes the point that the debate is more complicated than you seem to think it is. My mistake.

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
If you are going to try erotic asphyxia with a partner, maybe the partner should consider some CPR training, just in case. ;)

Might be good to read up on manslaughter laws as well or just keep the number of a good barrister :thumbup:
YOu'd want the number of a good solicitor - they'd engage the barrister once you had a court date...
having a daughter in law that works in temple we have no need for solicitors but if you need a reference then my local council would verify whit i have to say :giggle::giggle:
Para 603 (h) of the Barristers code of conduct applies; it is hard to imagine a case where you would not need to find evidence or to instruct expert witnesses.
sorry but the rest of these quotes are regard to asphyxia ...... this and usually are two different things in law :giggle::giggle:
Do you think you've made a clever point? Or just exposed the facile way you run and hide every time you're challenged? Let's imagine you asphyxiate your partner? Do you think 603(h) will not apply?

7 Jul 2010

its a blog :doh:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by awayman
although you'll probably dismiss the author (a real doctor, no less) as a lefty Uni tosser.
The fact that statistics mean nothing at all to you doesn't necessarily prove anything about the validity of the statistics - it might just be that you know the square root of nothing about statistics.

Ah a real Doctor eh? Is that a similar Doctor that could not spot a broken back>? Because he is a Doctor means what exactly? That he is right? What always?
Stats can mean whatever the author wants them to mean....ffs even Government manipulate figures and use stats for their own advantages.
No different to councils really...all fall under the " T's " word. :twisted:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by awayman
If you are going to try erotic asphyxia with a partner, maybe the partner should consider some CPR training, just in case. ;)

Might be good to read up on manslaughter laws as well or just keep the number of a good barrister :thumbup:
YOu'd want the number of a good solicitor - they'd engage the barrister once you had a court date...
having a daughter in law that works in temple we have no need for solicitors but if you need a reference then my local council would verify whit i have to say :giggle::giggle:
Para 603 (h) of the Barristers code of conduct applies; it is hard to imagine a case where you would not need to find evidence or to instruct expert witnesses.
sorry but the rest of these quotes are regard to asphyxia ...... this and usually are two different things in law :giggle::giggle:
Do you think you've made a clever point? Or just exposed the facile way you run and hide every time you're challenged? Let's imagine you asphyxiate your partner? Do you think 603(h) will not apply?
so there is no evidence when you strangle someone with your bear hands in your own house
"earth calling awayman are you still there"

7 Jul 2010

Zanussi calling.:giggle:

7 Jul 2010

well awayman i asked the question you stated and this was the reply by a barrister

enjoy

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
well awayman i asked the question you stated and this was the reply by a barrister

enjoy

SO grown up, so well informed.

7 Jul 2010

Fascinating.

Double edged sword.

7 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Fascinating.

Double edged sword.

You don't half read some shite!! :giggle:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Dirtygirly
Fascinating.

Double edged sword.

You don't half read some shite!! :giggle:
Yo mean ShYte don't you? :giggle:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by anais
Fascinating.

Double edged sword.

You don't half read some shite!! :giggle:
Yo mean ShYte don't you? :giggle:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

7 Jul 2010

Ah so the girlies are reading this thread.....thought you had all gone on holiday lol

7 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Ah so the girlies are reading this thread.....thought you had all gone on holiday

Well with sly digs and petty squabbling there didn't seem much else worth contributing to. Till you posted your link... where do you find these people with such angst?! :lol:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by awayman
well awayman i asked the question you stated and this was the reply by a barrister

enjoy

SO grown up, so well informed.
im well informed to see through your knight in a white charger act please try to engage your brain which by the way is normally a good three foot away from your balls
and for your information other than pushing someone down the stairs to kill them there is very few crimes that would not leave evidence :jagsatwork:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Dirtygirly
Ah so the girlies are reading this thread.....thought you had all gone on holiday

Well with sly digs and petty squabbling there didn't seem much else worth contributing to. Till you posted your link... where do you find these people with such angst?! :lol:
My appologies

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
well awayman i asked the question you stated and this was the reply by a barrister

enjoy

SO grown up, so well informed.
im well informed to see through your knight in a white charger act please try to engage your brain which by the way is normally a good three foot away from your balls
and for your information other than pushing someone down the stairs to kill them there is very few crimes that would not leave evidence :jagsatwork:
But if you'd like to pm me - I can provide a list. Often it isn't about leaving NO evidence, it's about modifying exactly WHAT evidence is found. biggrin

:D:D (degree in forensics will come in handy one day I tell ya - hehehehehe)

7 Jul 2010

Shocking that a decent thread has once again been destroyed.
My wife had counselling. This included group work. She was overjoyed to discover that:
1) Other women had climaxed during the assault.
2) Other women had subsequently enjoyed fantasies.
Do you know why she was so overjoyed? Because she had always felt guilty about her feelings fearing the judgemental attitude of others.
I cant put you in touch with her to counter the inevitable personal attacks about me making this up. However you can read about such facts by spending a tenner at amazon and buying a book about counselling.
Sometimes it takes seconds to write hurtful things but only a few seconds more to consider how such ill informed nonsense might just be hurting other people.

7 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Ah so the girlies are reading this thread.....thought you had all gone on holiday

Well with sly digs and petty squabbling there didn't seem much else worth contributing to. Till you posted your link... where do you find these people with such angst?! :lol:
My appologies
:giggle:
Actually for once it wasn't you... or are you apologising for reading shYte?! :lol:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Dirtygirly
Ah so the girlies are reading this thread.....thought you had all gone on holiday

Well with sly digs and petty squabbling there didn't seem much else worth contributing to. Till you posted your link... where do you find these people with such angst?! :lol:
My appologies
:giggle:
Actually for once it wasn't you... or are you apologising for reading shYte?! :lol:
Yes has been known to read the Guardian once every two months. :dry:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Yes has been known to read the Guardian once every two months. :dry:

The rest of the time Kenty just just looks at the pictures :lol2:
Someone had to say it :smug:

7 Jul 2010

Quote by Dawnie
Yes has been known to read the Guardian once every two months. :dry:

The rest of the time Kenty just just looks at the pictures :lol2:
Someone had to say it :smug:
Knew U would!! lol