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Yes has been known to read the Guardian once every two months. :dry:
The rest of the time Kenty just just looks at the pictures :lol2:
Someone had to say it :smug:
And it had just had to be you eh?
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Sorry I do not believe for one second any woman would climax whilst being ....the fear, the thought of possible serious injury.
I would think the women would be thinking how am I going to get out of this, or when will this nightmare end. Certainly not an ooooooh or an arghhhhhhhhhhh anywhere.
Never heard so much nonsense in all my life.
Even mrs777 finds that statement completely unbelievable.
I would think the women would be thinking how am I going to get out of this, or when will this nightmare end. Certainly not an ooooooh or an arghhhhhhhhhhh anywhere.
Never heard so much nonsense in all my life.
Even mrs777 finds that statement completely unbelievable.
Not interested in yet another pointless link.
I have said before and I will say again.....a woman being is not capable of a climax..........period.
I do not care what anyone says to the contrary.
Next someone will say they got knocked down by a car and they want to step out into a motorway and get hit again.
Would never happen no matter what some nutter puts down in a internet link, or a book that they will be making lots of money from.
I have said before and I will say again.....a woman being is not capable of a climax..........period.
I do not care what anyone says to the contrary.
Next someone will say they got knocked down by a car and they want to step out into a motorway and get hit again.
Would never happen no matter what some nutter puts down in a internet link, or a book that they will be making lots of money from.
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Not interested in yet another pointless link.
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No more links
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Sometimes I just have to ask Y..........you only like your own links but not anybody elses?
But on a serious note, just because you do not believe it, or your missus does not believe it or your mate down the pub does not believe it, or your aunty May does not believe it..........does not make it bollox.
A quick search through my Uni's academic database brought up a lot of studies on this. So either all these researchers and victims are lying or perhaps you are wrong..........I'll take a stab in the dark and think you are on this one.
Have to be honest here and I did not think it could/would happen because of the trauma.......but reading some of the victims testimony opened my eyes to how it could happen, and then to read the hurt these people are going through of not just being but then to be questioned by others over their bodies involuntary actions.
Interesting topic.........but behind every stat is a victim
Dave_Notts
Quote by Lizaleanrob
well awayman i asked the question you stated and this was the reply by a barrister
enjoy
SO grown up, so well informed.
im well informed to see through your knight in a white charger act please try to engage your brain which by the way is normally a good three foot away from your balls
and for your information other than pushing someone down the stairs to kill them there is very few crimes that would not leave evidence :jagsatwork:
Yes, that was my point. Since a barrister cannot gather that evidence for you, or engage expert witnesses, 603(h) of the code of conduct would require him to advise you that if you didn't engage a solicitor he would be professionally embarrassed and would have to withdraw. So bragging that you don't need solicitors because a relative works in Temple was a spectacularly stupid way of claiming special knowledge, or status.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
well awayman i asked the question you stated and this was the reply by a barrister
enjoy
SO grown up, so well informed.
im well informed to see through your knight in a white charger act please try to engage your brain which by the way is normally a good three foot away from your balls
and for your information other than pushing someone down the stairs to kill them there is very few crimes that would not leave evidence :jagsatwork:
Yes, that was my point. Since a barrister cannot gather that evidence for you, or engage expert witnesses, 603(h) of the code of conduct would require him to advise you that if you didn't engage a solicitor he would be professionally embarrassed and would have to withdraw. So bragging that you don't need solicitors because a relative works in Temple was a spectacularly stupid way of claiming special knowledge, or status.
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I have said before and I will say again.....a woman being is not capable of a climax..........period.
I do not care what anyone says to the contrary.
Next someone will say they got knocked down by a car and they want to step out into a motorway and get hit again.
So how come a man can have a stiffy in the most strangest of places that he can't control and a woman can't climax when she is ?
A man gets a stiffy walking down the road or in the middle of being cut from a smashed up car and yet a woman can't climax ????
Don't tell me thats completely different because its not.
We can't control how our bodies react all the time and in every situation, it just can happen.
Sex God
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i am sorry if the world is more complex and less black and white than you both might imagine,
A quote from a well respected the study on fantasies
"Aversive fantasies. Of all the fantasies written, 9% were completely aversive. In all aversive fantasies, self-character non-consent was real; and in nearly all, the self-character was resistant throughout the interaction (91%).
Women who had been comprised 21% of the sample. Of the aversive fantasies, 36% were written by women who had been . Further, there was a negative point biserial correlation between history of being and the continuum score (r=-.23, p < .05); those who had been wrote logs that were more aversive than erotic."
the full study is here,
There is also evidence,although i cant find the study that some survivors find playing out their fantasies in a different context empowering.
Rob,i object to the use of the word to refer to things other than non consensual there is a good debate to be had about whether in play it is ,and if it is not should it not have a different name.
What is currently happening to a child has nothing to do with the fantasy life of consenting adults.
then i would suggest that you clarify your point before making such statements
something that seems to change with your moods if read as has been on here
knowing a victim i think they would argue your point no end it also seems to go against the whole feminist movement which you belong
having been on here a short time kas with respect you do seem to have a rather large shovel that you constantly dig big holes with and i fear will swallow you up one day
and lets not kid our selves are you happy to be in real life to complete
a fantasy as i doubt very much that real women will in fact would agree to the fact of being violated in such away .
and even fewer would would suffer the violence that accompanies it
all in all kas my advice to you would be to stop digging and start climbing my love
i just wished to ask in which way claiming women have the right to feel good about their bodies,their desires,their fantasies goes against feminism
You say you know a survivor of ,has it ever occurred to you why i have spent so much time on this thread?
oh no god your going to tell me you was gang squirted every time and all ended up best of freinds and even the police had a turn
sorry i really think this has all gone a little fantasy to far for me
and now we got bennny the "somewhat of an expert" on the case with what he makesup oppps what he knows
blogs on how women enjoy being and violated :doh:
soon you`ll all be suggesting peter sutcliffe should get an obe for his work with prostitute`s
and rapists do community work in women's hostels
your and other ideas that 21% of women enjoy being for real is some what of a sick joke
dear me you all really need to sit back and think about what your writing your all suggesting is not a serious crime ffs
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Not interested in yet another pointless link.
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No more links
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Sometimes I just have to ask Y..........you only like your own links but not anybody elses?
But on a serious note, just because you do not believe it, or your missus does not believe it or your mate down the pub does not believe it, or your aunty May does not believe it..........does not make it bollox.
A quick search through my Uni's academic database brought up a lot of studies on this. So either all these researchers and victims are lying or perhaps you are wrong..........I'll take a stab in the dark and think you are on this one.
Have to be honest here and I did not think it could/would happen because of the trauma.......but reading some of the victims testimony opened my eyes to how it could happen, and then to read the hurt these people are going through of not just being but then to be questioned by others over their bodies involuntary actions.
Interesting topic.........but behind every stat is a victim
Dave_Notts
Wow Davey I am impressed there.:shock:
This is obviously a good thread and hope it remains open, but it just goes to show how people can have such wide opinions on this subject.
I do not believe a woman would climax whilst being ...sorry matey you can show me studies till they come out of my arse, it will still be total rubbish.
I have heard some rubbish on here and have done some myself over the years but...some peoples opinions on here I would think a victim would be disgusted by.
You talk about the hurt people are going through, yes they did and will continue to do so, but certainly not over " their bodies involuntary actions " whilst being .
Complete and utter nonsense usually spouted by people who have not got a clue, other than to have a Google.
I hope admin put this sick topic to bed, and move onto more enlightening subjects, not subjects such as forced and climaxes whilst being by some filthy perve, and then people want to say all sorts of rubbish on a subject they have no clue about.
I do not either tbh but the mere thought of someone indicating a woman had actually enjoyed it, is perverted nonsense. I never thought I would see people on here actually saying such things.
I find some of the comments on here about as offensive as it gets...shame on you.
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Wow Davey I am impressed there.:shock:
Don't be. Lots of people go to Uni.
This is obviously a good thread and hope it remains open, but it just goes to show how people can have such wide opinions on this subject.
It is an excellent thread
I do not believe a woman would climax whilst being ...sorry matey you can show me studies till they come out of my arse, it will still be total rubbish.
Then showing you proof will not change your mind? You have made it up based on nothing but what you think. I thought we have moved from the Middle Ages.
I have heard some rubbish on here and have done some myself over the years but...some peoples opinions on here I would think a victim would be disgusted by.
Of course some would, but some wouldn't. Some would like to know, others would rather not bring up the bad memories. Each needs to heal as they want.
You talk about the hurt people are going through, yes they did and will continue to do so, but certainly not over " their bodies involuntary actions " whilst being .
This is a question that they ask. The trauma over the act is horrendous, but to know you climaxed at the time draws quetions to themselves as to why. Why did they do it? Is something wrong with them because they did? Does it mean they enjoyed it? All these questions add guilt to the victim and they need to understand why their bodies involuntarily actions led to this.
Complete and utter nonsense usually spouted by people who have not got a clue, other than to have a Google.
That is why they read around the subject.......however you have already pointed out that you would not want to read around a subject because everything written about the subject is wrong. Ignorance is bliss.
I hope admin put this sick topic to bed,
Only if the AUP is being broken. If not then the subject will run.
and move onto more enlightening subjects, not subjects such as forced and climaxes whilst being by some filthy perve, and then people want to say all sorts of rubbish on a subject they have no clue about.
Some may have more of a clue than you think. If they have written anything that is untrue then do show me where.
I do not either tbh but the mere thought of someone indicating a woman had actually enjoyed it, is perverted nonsense. I never thought I would see people on here actually saying such things.
Nobody has said such a thing. People have said women have climaxed during , not that they enjoyed it. To climax is an involuntary action by your body, it is not a definitive sign of enjoyment.
I find some of the comments on here about as offensive as it gets...shame on you.
See post above. They have nothing to be ashamed of just because you have misread a whole topic
Dave_Notts
You have not learnt the quote thing yet then Davey?
As Rob has stated blogs.
We will never ever agree on this, and your comment " Some may have more of a clue than you think. If they have written anything that is untrue then do show me where ".
Can you prove it is true then?
If you Google anything it will always come up with some story or another..example..Do you eat your own shit?
Anything is out there but people can lie as well....because it is on the internet does not make it true. People slag off the papers almost daily on here as all lies, yet they believe a Google stat, or a nutty Uni lecturer? Strange.
As Rob has stated blogs.
We will never ever agree on this, and your comment " Some may have more of a clue than you think. If they have written anything that is untrue then do show me where ".
Can you prove it is true then?
If you Google anything it will always come up with some story or another..example..Do you eat your own shit?
Anything is out there but people can lie as well....because it is on the internet does not make it true. People slag off the papers almost daily on here as all lies, yet they believe a Google stat, or a nutty Uni lecturer? Strange.
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You have not learnt the quote thing yet then Davey?
As Rob has stated blogs.
We will never ever agree on this, and your comment " Some may have more of a clue than you think. If they have written anything that is untrue then do show me where ".
Can you prove it is true then?
If you Google anything it will always come up with some story or another..example..Do you eat your own shit?
Anything is out there but people can lie as well....because it is on the internet does not make it true. People slag off the papers almost daily on here as all lies, yet they believe a Google stat, or a nutty Uni lecturer? Strange.
Thank you for your answer. To paraphrase, you do not read around the subject or have any counter study to disagree with the OP so revert to the confetti argument of throwing as much argument into the air to smokescreen the original question
At least I know where you are coming from now
Can you prove it is true then?
You can decide yourself after reading this or one of the related papers "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation – a review", Journal of Clinical Forensic Medicine, 2003. Do read the paper and not a wilki excerpt
Dave_Notts
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Thank you for your answer. To paraphrase, you do not read around the subject or have any counter study to disagree with the OP so revert to the confetti argument of throwing as much argument into the air to smokescreen the original question
At least I know where you are coming from now
Glad you can do the Quote thing Davey.
The op's original question was about strangulation and not about , if my memory serves me?
I am not trying to smokescreen anything, merely pointing out that some people talk utter tripe.
Where am I coming from exactly? An opinion that I find the whole thing disgusting, especially some of the comments? At least we understand each other then. :wink:
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You can decide yourself after reading this or one of the related papers "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation – a review", Journal of Clinical Forensic Medicine, 2003. Do read the paper and not a wilki excerpt
I have already pointed out that you can find anything on here, even from so called experts apparently. 2003 ? I was pulled up yesterday from picking a thread from 2006....times change ya know. :wink:
I asked three women today and two guys their take on women being and climaxing. They thought I was having a laugh and when I stated that some people think that they were horrified and disgusted, that such rubbish could be written. One woman stated that if any woman had done that then they would have serious psychological problems and needed serious help.
One guy asked me where I got this rubbish from, but obviously did not want to tell him as did not want to give me little secret away, but I could imagine the answer.
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Quote by kentswingers777
Thank you for your answer. To paraphrase, you do not read around the subject or have any counter study to disagree with the OP so revert to the confetti argument of throwing as much argument into the air to smokescreen the original question
At least I know where you are coming from now
Glad you can do the Quote thing Davey.
The op's original question was about strangulation and not about , if my memory serves me?
I am not trying to smokescreen anything, merely pointing out that some people talk utter tripe.
Where am I coming from exactly? An opinion that I find the whole thing disgusting, especially some of the comments? At least we understand each other then. :wink:
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You can decide yourself after reading this or one of the related papers "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation – a review", Journal of Clinical Forensic Medicine, 2003. Do read the paper and not a wilki excerpt
I have already pointed out that you can find anything on here, even from so called experts apparently. 2003 ? I was pulled up yesterday from picking a thread from 2006....times change ya know. :wink:
I asked three women today and two guys their take on women being and climaxing. They thought I was having a laugh and when I stated that some people think that they were horrified and disgusted, that such rubbish could be written. One woman stated that if any woman had done that then they would have serious psychological problems and needed serious help.
One guy asked me where I got this rubbish from, but obviously did not want to tell him as did not want to give me little secret away, but I could imagine the answer.
Well to be perfectly honest I find yours and your friends views far more disrespectful to victims of than any of the others on this thread. Your sheer inability to consider viable factual research and base your opinion on just how you feel, and then flaunt it so vocally is insensitive to say the least.
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Quote by kentswingers777
Sorry I do not believe for one second any woman would climax whilst being ....the fear, the thought of possible serious injury..............
I know I'm wasting my energy writing this as your views are fixed and anything that challenges them will be met with ridicule, disbelief, disdain and possibly even threats of violence if you didn't already know that it would get you banned, however that's my opinion of your personality type and I digress....
I come into contact with a lot of people who have been through many horrible experiences when I'm at work and I recently met a very nice gentleman who's story was that he's been sexually abused while aged 13 - 17 including . He did mention that on several occasions he had maintained an erection and even climaxed while being subject to these assaults. For years he agonised over his sexuality as a straight man shouldn't be aroused while being abused by a man. He's now a councillor (specialising in sexual dysfunction and ), he said he regularly hears similar experiences to his own.
I can see how women may climax during . It's an autonomic response, similar to achieving an erection for males (as Dawny has pointed out.).
I hope that you can maintain this naivety and lack of experience around this subject as to lose it would mean that you, or someone very close had been .
Oh and for the record, I dislike the use of the phrase ' Fantasy' as I do believe that it detracts from a wicked and despicable act, but I accept that people call it what they call it and people cannot always be shoehorned into the little boxes we'd like them to go in to.
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I hope admin put this sick topic to bed, and move onto more enlightening subjects, not subjects such as forced and climaxes whilst being by some filthy perve, and then people want to say all sorts of rubbish on a subject they have no clue about.................
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your perspective) you do not own the site and have no real authority or input to it's running so, at the risk of repeating Mr. Notts, unless those that enforce the rules decide that it breaks the AUP (or needs to be locked to allow people to cool off), it will remain open for discussion.
I await your undoubted response, but sometimes I just have to ask Y.......
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I have already pointed out that you can find anything on here, even from so called experts apparently. 2003 ? I was pulled up yesterday from picking a thread from 2006....times change ya know.
I am sorry that you do not understand what a journal is. It is a thesis or paper that is peer reviewed before it can be published. They have to describe their methods and why they reached a certain conclusion based on literature review and/or experimentation. The date of a journal is when it was published and stays current until further research disproves the conclusion. As this has not happened then the paper is still current........think of Newtons Law of Relitivity. Is that still valid? And that was writen in the 17th century.
This site is a business and what the owners will allow or not allow will change over time. Business has to otherwise it won't survive
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An opinion that I find the whole thing disgusting, especially some of the comments?
You are entitled to feel this, but if you then put this opinion into words on a public forum then what you write will be challenged. So far, apart from Aunty May and my mates around the corner think so and so, you have not shown any understanding of the content.
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merely pointing out that some people talk utter tripe
You are totally right on this. IMO talking tripe is when a member tries to shout down other contributors with nothing more than anecdotal evidence.
Some debates are purely on opinion and in those debates each opinion is valid. But when debating about something that has been subject to intense study then evidence to back up a claim is required.
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I asked three women today and two guys their take on women being and climaxing. They thought I was having a laugh and when I stated that some people think that they were horrified and disgusted, that such rubbish could be written. One woman stated that if any woman had done that then they would have serious psychological problems and needed serious help.
Perhaps if you had given them correct information to go off then they may have formed a different opinion.........but that did not suit your purposes. A bit like the clergy asking the people in the middle ages "Is the world flat". As this was what they had heard then they believed it, and when science proved it was not, they still voiced their opinion that it was flat........but it was wrong.
Dave_Notts
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I know I'm wasting my energy writing this as your views are fixed and anything that challenges them will be met with ridicule, disbelief, disdain and possibly even threats of violence if you didn't already know that it would get you banned, however that's my opinion of your personality type and I digress....
Your first three words are possibly true, but your last one is way off the way off the mark and quite frankly offensive, even more so seeing as you are a moderator of the site. You do not know me personally so your just doing what so many others do, and base an opinion.
Where have I ever threatened anyone here with threats of violence? If I wanted to I would regardless of any ban, but I prefer the discussions to violence every time....I digress.
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I know I'm wasting my energy writing this as your views are fixed and anything that challenges them will be met with ridicule, disbelief, disdain and possibly even threats of violence if you didn't already know that it would get you banned, however that's my opinion of your personality type and I digress....
Your first three words are possibly true, but your last one is way off the way off the mark and quite frankly offensive, even more so seeing as you are a moderator of the site. You do not know me personally so your just doing what so many others do, and base an opinion.
Where have I ever threatened anyone here with threats of violence? If I wanted to I would regardless of any ban, but I prefer the discussions to violence every time....I digress.
I found it first............is there a prize?
Dave_Notts
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can anyone tell me if so many women that have been fantasize about it why do we lock rapists up 
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Quote by flower411
can anyone tell me if so many women that have been fantasize about it why do we lock rapists up
So you really expect us believe that you can`t tell the difference between fantasy and reality ?
That`s a big thing to admit on an open forum !! :shock:
it might be worth reading the whole tread it actually helps me ol flower
kas seems to think that 39% of women have fantasy`s
well sorry but here is the medical ugly truth
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kas seems to think that 39% of women have fantasy`s
Unfortunately you have not read and understood the part of the thread you are refering to.
Kaz stated that 36% of the people of the sample studied had been victims. It did not say that 36% of women have fantasies.
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
can anyone tell me if so many women that have been fantasize about it why do we lock rapists up
Because it is against the law.
Dave_Notts
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thank you dave exactly the answer i was looking for
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Quote by kentswingers777
Sorry I do not believe for one second any woman would climax whilst being ....the fear, the thought of possible serious injury.
I would think the women would be thinking how am I going to get out of this, or when will this nightmare end. Certainly not an ooooooh or an arghhhhhhhhhhh anywhere.
Never heard so much nonsense in all my life.
Even mrs777 finds that statement completely unbelievable.
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Not interested in yet another pointless link.
I have said before and I will say again.....a woman being is not capable of a climax..........period.
I do not care what anyone says to the contrary.
Oh Kenty, kenty, kenty, you really are a very small minded person indeed, aren't you?
Noone can tell you anything, can they? If it doesn't sit well in your small, little world, well. it can't happen, can it? I can hardly even begin to imagine what it must be like to be so sorely lacking in imagination. Whether you can even begin to imagine it or not, whether what follows goes right over your head like a fucking aeroplane, some female victims of child sexual abuse, for the sake of example, spend years, and years, and years trying to wrap their head round the fact that their body's have betrayed them, because they have orgasmed whether they like it or not while they're being .
I'm not linking you to articles in the Guardian. I'm not gonna waste my time and energy backing up what I just said. Quite frankly Kenty, I can't be arsed. Simple fact is, you've no bleedin' clue whatsoever, have you?
Nonsense? No . . . not really?
Neil ((( No kisses, no wink. )))
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Quote by Dave__Notts
kas seems to think that 39% of women have fantasy`s
Unfortunately you have not read and understood the part of the thread you are refering to.
Kaz stated that 36% of the people of the sample studied had been victims. It did not say that 36% of women have fantasies.
Dave_Notts
can you tell me what this is then
36% were written by women who had been .
regards fantasy`s
dave ihad three different people read this all thought the same as me ???
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Quote by Dave__Notts
can anyone tell me if so many women that have been fantasize about it why do we lock rapists up
Because it is against the law.
Dave_Notts
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thank you dave exactly the answer i was looking for
Didn't you know that already :dunno:
Dave_Notts
i did
Quote by Lizaleanrob
kas seems to think that 39% of women have fantasy`s
Unfortunately you have not read and understood the part of the thread you are refering to.
Kaz stated that 36% of the people of the sample studied had been victims. It did not say that 36% of women have fantasies.
Dave_Notts
can you tell me what this is then
36% were written by women who had been .
regards fantasy`s
dave ihad three different people read this all thought the same as me ???
Women who had been comprised 21% of the sample. Of the aversive fantasies, 36% were written by women who had been .
You missed a bit off............Now does it make sense? Out of the three that you showed......did they read the whole quote or just the last part of the last sentance?
Dave_Notts
Sex God
no dave the whole thing