PLYMOUTH

31 Oct 2005

Quote by Jo-Jo_J
the problem was the pure FACT that some people find it necessary to tell the whole world and his uncle that they are swingers who have met through a swinging forum and are on a night out. Why? why cant you just say we are all friends on a night out?

I agree that doing that purely for shock value is childish. I didn't see anyone do this at the Plymouth munch. I did have people ask me about me, they made assumptions that I was in the imediate company of swingers, I had no problem holding a conversation with, enjoying the company of and laughing with these 'normals'. Was I wrong to have done this in your opinion?

31 Oct 2005

I dont have a particular opinion of you. i dont even know who you are. were you there on Saturday? If you were then you must have been one of the crowd who diddnt aknowledge my presence

31 Oct 2005

Quote by Jo-Jo_J
I dont have a particular opinion of you. i dont even know who you are. were you there on Saturday? If you were then you must have been one of the crowd who diddnt aknowledge my presence

That just goes to show that I was quiet, reserved and unassuming for the whole evening. I didn't see you either, I apologise for not seeking you out, had I know you were there I would have certainly introduced myself.

31 Oct 2005

maybe so, but how did the 'normals' assume you were in the company of swingers?
someone must have raised the'normals' suspicions.
I never got asked that question. I was talking to some girls who were dancing on the tables next to me. funny how swinging never came into our conversation...

31 Oct 2005

First of all can I congratulate Devon1 for actually having the balls to try and hold an event in this area. As it is known that swinging is mostly underground in this area.
We were there BY THE WAY
I think also that he has learnt his lesson and if he decides to hold another event it will be done with a lot more thought and care. We actually talked to him about the evening and he knows he WE felt.
The so called public did seem to know we were swingers (I dont know how). I personally had the piss taken out of me by several and lots of young boys came upstairs to have a look at the 'perverts'
My concerns were that there were young children about in the early part of the evening and although nothing was going on it did make us feel very uncomfortable.
The actual venue was disgusting, it was filthy and we had to drink out of plastic glasses, when I asked about this, I was told it was because they always expected trouble. The toilets were dirty and your feet stuck to the carpet. (This isn't Devon1's fault - he had to work with what he had)
As to the people who said we ignored them, we personally tried to mix with other members of SH but found quite a few unapproachable and if they wanted to mix then they should have introduced themselves around, as we all have to do at most munches.
As you are probably aware we do attend a lot of events and WE KNOW TO ACT, but I have to admit this particual event was like no other I have attended.
We knew that the venue was open to the public, and we attended all the same, but we were rather overrun by them.
The Muttleys

31 Oct 2005

Quote by The Muttleys
First of all can I congratulate Devon1 for actually having the balls to try and hold an event in this area. As it is known that swinging is mostly underground in this area.
We were there BY THE WAY
I think also that he has learnt his lesson and if he decides to hold another event it will be done with a lot more thought and care. We actually talked to him about the evening and he knows he WE felt.
The so called public did seem to know we were swingers (I dont know how). I personally had the piss taken out of me by several and lots of young boys came upstairs to have a look at the 'perverts'
I did not know of this, and am very sorry
My concerns were that there were young children about in the early part of the evening and although nothing was going on it did make us feel very
uncomfortable.
I agree with this it was a surprise, and the one child I saw was only there, very early in the evening, for a matter of minutes
The actual venue was disgusting, it was filthy and we had to drink out of plastic glasses, when I asked about this, I was told it was because they always expected trouble. The toilets were dirty and your feet stuck to the carpet. (This isn't Devon1's fault - he had to work with what he had)
I think you are being very harsh here, and i disagree.
As to the people who said we ignored them, we personally tried to mix with other members of SH but found quite a few unapproachable and if they wanted to mix then they should have introduced themselves around, as we all have to do at most munches.
As you are probably aware we do attend a lot of events and WE KNOW TO ACT, but I have to admit this particual event was like no other I have attended.
We knew that the venue was open to the public, and we attended all the same, but we were rather overrun by them.
The Muttleys

A shame you thought this, and i await the further discussion your points will raise.
It took a lot of time to get things going down here, and a few harsh words can sink any further events :cry:
I have awaited someone to organise something down here for ages, but no one did. So I thought, why not try it. I wasn't planning on doing any further meets for awhile, and MAYBE in the mean time someone else might try there hand at organising something.

31 Oct 2005

I think you may have taken it the wrong way Devon1
We didnt have any critisism of you hun AT ALL
And I think we did explain to you on the night of our thoughts, so we are not going behind your back
The venue was just not right and if i'm not mistaken you quickly realised that anyway.
We know organising an event is hard and this should not put you off at all and if we could be of any help in doing so, we would only be too happy.
I dont thing my remarks were harsh at all, just factual
The Muttleys

31 Oct 2005

Quote by The Muttleys
I think you may have taken it the wrong way Devon1
We didnt have any critisism of you hun AT ALL
And I think we did explain to you on the night of our thoughts, so we are not going behind your back
The venue was just not right and if i'm not mistaken you quickly realised that anyway.
We know organising an event is hard and this should not put you off at all and if we could be of any help in doing so, we would only be too happy.
I dont thing my remarks were harsh at all, just factual
The Muttleys

Fair enough
But a lot others seemed to have a good time, maybe it just wasn't your sort of venue, but it did work well for the first meet.
I think you will find, having come from a more 'active' area, things are very differently organised down here.
I am not into personal fights, and we had an interesting chat on the night, and it was good that you could come.

31 Oct 2005

Count me in on the next South West munch please, where-ever it is held... I'll even come with Vanilla-Repellent... ( aka Marcuso)
Here's to the next SW munch :thumbup:

31 Oct 2005

Quote by marmalaid
I dont have a particular opinion of you. i dont even know who you are. were you there on Saturday? If you were then you must have been one of the crowd who diddnt aknowledge my presence

That just goes to show that I was quiet, reserved and unassuming for the whole evening.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I'm sorry - I know - It's not a funny thread. It's just the thought of Marmalaid being "quiet and reserved"
As an absolute lover of Munches, Mini-Munches, Social Drinks, (I do make very clear and simple distinctions between the 3) Swinging Heaven and the lifestyle in general; I am clearly going to be biased. I make no apology for that, but may I ask everyone to take a step back, calm the fuck down and stop baying for blood.
Do you really think this thread and subject has somehow floated over the top of the heads of the people who ultimately run this site ??????????
I'm sure we all have our own opinions of how a munch should be organised - what "criteria" should be met - how to define the 3 social events.
Please don't forget - the purpose of having guidelines (rules) and complying with same, is to gain the sanction of Swinging Heaven. "Sanctioned" because they are promoted, advertised, supported (by at the very least - advice) They are even stickied in the LMU Forum so the thread is easy to find.
Plymouth II wasn't perfect.
Mainly (imho) due to the way different people interpret different words, phrases and terminology - and, therefore, their own expectations of what they would find. I put myself firmly in that category.
As Marmamlaid said above, and I think I mentioned earlier, the guidelines were indeed re-worked fairly recently. But, I think, more from a security point of view.
One point to bear in mind - this site has grown massively since the first munches/socials/get togethers. It continues to grow. As it grows, so do the socials. So does the calendar and locations of the socials.
It would be a very pink and fluffy, cosy little world were anyone able to come up with a set of guidelines/rules/codes of conduct that were able to stand the test of time without the occasional "tweak"
This thread is becoming circular and repetitive. As do most fiercely debated threads.
Yes - lots of people want to have their say, but hasn't most that can be, been said.
Yes - the people that weren't there have a valid opinion.
Yes - discretion is an important issue. It matters not one bit to me personally, other than by association.
Yes - security is an important issue. So important that I don't think it should be discussed in the open forum. Neither should my reasons for saying so.
Yes - Devon1 did what he thought was within the guidelines. (Having re-read them, I agree that he did)
Yes - we want/need a clear definition of how a social event can meet the required criteria to be called a Munch - and all that goes with the title/status. Maybe there should be 3 clear and separate definitions.
But is that not the responsibility of the site admin/mod team ? With or without input from the site membership.
And please - don't start the "but we are the site" or "democracy" or "they have to listen to us" "us and them" bullshit/empty arguments.
This is a non-profit making site. Provided by Mark, and his team; for the reasons and purposes explained somewhere else within it's pages.
I view myself, and therefore you; as a guest on hissite. Abiding (as far as I'm able) with hisrules/guidelines etc. How Mark comes to his decisions, who's opinions/advice he acts upon is down to him.
And finally, Esther . . . .
Thank you to everyone I met, or didn't meet there.
I had a ball.
Let's do it again.

31 Oct 2005

Quote by dambuster
but may I ask everyone to take a step back, calm the fuck down and stop baying for blood.
{snippity snip..... }
This thread is becoming circular and repetitive. As do most fiercely debated threads.
{snippy snip snip}
I had a ball.
Let's do it again.

But what you forget Dambuster is this.....
that at the munch I distinctly remember a discussion aboutNazi's.
There was that Hitler fella.... and Himmler.... and
did I mentionNazi's? I am sure I mentioned Nazis....
The Luftwaffe bombed Plymouth you know... they wereNazis too....
(what is that law called? Can someone quote it please ??!!!)

31 Oct 2005

Godwin's Law?

31 Oct 2005

Quote by freckledbird
Godwin's Law?

Get in there!!!!!!!!!!!!
wave

welcome back FB !!!!!! ( I am out for the evening now... see you later....hope your spell checker breaks down!)

31 Oct 2005

Quote by postie
that at the munch I distinctly remember a discussion about Nazi's.
There was that Hitler fella.... and Himmler.... and
did I mention Nazi's? I am sure I mentioned Nazis....
The Luftwaffe bombed Plymouth you know... they were Nazis too....
(what is that law called? Can someone quote it please ??!!!)

BAD POSTIE! :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
PS - the 's' in Nazis is a plural and so does NOT require an apostrophe - score one for FB I think.. oh, and you repeated it so that's score TWO for FB!
*working towards a fluffier future*
:shock: