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Quote by winchwench
Maybe im over reacting, but I could no longer watch the BBC news report last night after hearing this "prostitutes and members of the public need to be vigilant"
I think you are a bit, I mean they are the ones who need to take most care and to point that up makes sense, and yet a girl out for a good time might also be seen as a target if "he", if we presume he, is as deranged as all that. The report I read said no sign of sexual activity or whatever phrase they use, so it doesn't have to be a he.
Sex God
Not much to add to what has been said except to join the others in hoping that this sick bastard is caught soon. For five women to go missing in so short a space of time is truly horrifying.
Bearing in mind the time of year and that lots of girls may be returning home late at night, probably having had quite a lot to drink, all women are at risk and need to take care. I hope I don't need to add that that does not mean in any way that working girls have any less right to walk the streets in safety than anyone else, just that I wouldn't want women in Ipswich (or anywhere else, for that matter) to think that working girls are the only ones in danger.
Will
Bearing in mind the time of year and that lots of girls may be returning home late at night, probably having had quite a lot to drink, all women are at risk and need to take care. I hope I don't need to add that that does not mean in any way that working girls have any less right to walk the streets in safety than anyone else, just that I wouldn't want women in Ipswich (or anywhere else, for that matter) to think that working girls are the only ones in danger.
Will
My heart goes out to all of the girl's Parents, relatives and friends.
They should bring back the birch for those that MURDER, my opinion and i'm entitled to it!
should have added, if/when they do find the murderer/s, if they haven't already commited suicide, then will probably defend them using our money, claiming that because his mother stopped breast feeding him too early, he developed a raging hate for women!! and should serve his time holidaying in spain on a constructive rehabilitation course.
Spineless, useless BASTARDS
They should bring back the birch for those that MURDER, my opinion and i'm entitled to it!
should have added, if/when they do find the murderer/s, if they haven't already commited suicide, then will probably defend them using our money, claiming that because his mother stopped breast feeding him too early, he developed a raging hate for women!! and should serve his time holidaying in spain on a constructive rehabilitation course.
Spineless, useless BASTARDS
Sexpert
...and breathe....
Quote by willxx69
Not much to add to what has been said except to join the others in hoping that this sick bastard is caught soon. For five women to go missing in so short a space of time is truly horrifying.
Bearing in mind the time of year and that lots of girls may be returning home late at night, probably having had quite a lot to drink, all women are at risk and need to take care. I hope I don't need to add that that does not mean in any way that working girls have any less right to walk the streets in safety than anyone else, just that I wouldn't want women in Ipswich (or anywhere else, for that matter) to think that working girls are the only ones in danger.
Will
Excellent point Will. As anyone who remembers the Yorkshire Ripper case will recall, not all of his victims were prostitutes even though it seems they were the ones he targeted.
I remember reading at the time of that case when the 16 yeard old shop assistant was murdered, one article described her as an 'innocent victim' and that annoyed me at the time. Yes, she was innocent but so were all his other victims, regardless of their occupation.
It seemed she had been out for the night, stopped to chat to a couple of working girls and was probably mistaken for one of them. It was a case of wrong place, wrong time but doesn't make her murder any worse than the others
Sex God
In case you haven't already heard the news, the police have found two more bodies. Assuming these are the two missing ladies (which seems likely), that now makes FIVE murders! 
:(
That's five families who have been robbed of a loved one in the run-up to Christmas. That makes it seem even worse somehow (as if it could be any worse).
Will
:(That's five families who have been robbed of a loved one in the run-up to Christmas. That makes it seem even worse somehow (as if it could be any worse).
Will
That's really shocking news. Apparently they both went missing on the same day.
Makes you think about safety in general, especially meeting people you get to know via the internet...anyone can pretend to be something they're not. Yesterday I had one guy who couldn't quite understand my reasoning for not wanting to meet him; he wouldn't tell me anything about himself because - and I quote - he didn't want to 'spoil the surprise'. Seriously flawed thinking.
Let's keep SH safe :thumbup:
Makes you think about safety in general, especially meeting people you get to know via the internet...anyone can pretend to be something they're not. Yesterday I had one guy who couldn't quite understand my reasoning for not wanting to meet him; he wouldn't tell me anything about himself because - and I quote - he didn't want to 'spoil the surprise'. Seriously flawed thinking.
Let's keep SH safe :thumbup:
Orgasminator
all this proves that prostitution should be legalised and be given a safe environment to run. r.i.p the 5 girl victims and i hope the scumbag is caught very soon.
Sexlightened
I haven't read the entire chain, but I think that it's a really good thing that there are a lot of people commenting on the fact that these were women as well as being prostitutes. I think that it's a shame that this fact seems to be emblazoned across all of the papers, it must be really hard for their families, but at the same time there has been a lot of reasonable efforts made by the media to highlight that these were normal 'local' girls with lives of their own.
I think that the public at large has a tendency to rather categorize people that they don't understand or that they don't interact with and this can be on any level.
I'm also totally glad that a forum like this highlighting the fact that any man should go to the police if he has information that might help, it's not about protecting a relationship that might not withstand the truth it's about ensuring that other innocent women don't get killed.
I think that the British public is starting to see that just because a woman sells sexual practises that this does not allow or enable another person to or hurt her, but the scary thing is that the current legal situation in this country means that a lot of women have to work on the streets - that is why so many of them are getting killed so indiscriminately - 94 in the last 7 years - HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE...
I hope that society is changing, even slowly and only a little to stop other women from being killed so easily. Maybe if nothing else this will spur the government into changing the laws so that women will be protected.
Amber
I think that the public at large has a tendency to rather categorize people that they don't understand or that they don't interact with and this can be on any level.
I'm also totally glad that a forum like this highlighting the fact that any man should go to the police if he has information that might help, it's not about protecting a relationship that might not withstand the truth it's about ensuring that other innocent women don't get killed.
I think that the British public is starting to see that just because a woman sells sexual practises that this does not allow or enable another person to or hurt her, but the scary thing is that the current legal situation in this country means that a lot of women have to work on the streets - that is why so many of them are getting killed so indiscriminately - 94 in the last 7 years - HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE...
I hope that society is changing, even slowly and only a little to stop other women from being killed so easily. Maybe if nothing else this will spur the government into changing the laws so that women will be protected.
Amber
Sexlightened
What has irritated me about some of the newspaper coverage of these murders is that the papers have started referring to them as "Ripper murders", purely for the sake of a headline.
As I understand it there is barely a mark on at least the first two victims, but to make more impact out of an already dreadful situation the tabloids are harking back to the dreadful mutilation inflicted by previous serial killers. Metro - a filthy rag in the worst sense of the word at the best of times - was bigging up their headlines as soon as the third body was discovered.
The tabloid press sickens me sometimes.
As I understand it there is barely a mark on at least the first two victims, but to make more impact out of an already dreadful situation the tabloids are harking back to the dreadful mutilation inflicted by previous serial killers. Metro - a filthy rag in the worst sense of the word at the best of times - was bigging up their headlines as soon as the third body was discovered.
The tabloid press sickens me sometimes.
Quote by Gitfinger
What has irritated me about some of the newspaper coverage of these murders is that the papers have started referring to them as "Ripper murders", purely for the sake of a headline.
As I understand it there is barely a mark on at least the first two victims, but to make more impact out of an already dreadful situation the tabloids are harking back to the dreadful mutilation inflicted by previous serial killers. Metro - a filthy rag in the worst sense of the word at the best of times - was bigging up their headlines as soon as the third body was discovered.
The tabloid press sickens me sometimes.
I agree with what you're saying there GF, we all know the tabloid press will use whatever they can to sensationalise things. BUT even the average person in the street has made the connection between this spate of murders and the heinous crimes of Peter Sutcliffe. I mentioned it myself earlier in this thread. From what I have heard and seen the maniac (assuming there is only one person responsible for these murders and that they are indeed linked ) is on a far more demented and urgent mission (for want of a better way to put it) than Peter Sutcliffe was.
Five women in three weeks ? It may suggest that the perp is either totally out of control, or has been working his/her way up to this. (Amchair detective hat off)
R.I.P ladies.
Minx x x
i'm not defending the tabloids by any means and yes no doubt there is some element of embellishment because these poor vitcims were prostitutes BUT in this case it does seem to have a bearing on the investigation and the way this killer is working things out. it's fair enough to mention they were prostitutes but it's not really necessary to go to the kind of lengths the tabloids obviosuly wil over the issue.
Yes the police definetly.
Now there seems to be five young women who because of the nature
of abuse repression and societies inability to come to terms with the underclass
(Not my opinion just the way it is) have lost their lives.
If you are vunerable , you are expendable and have asked for the treat you deserve, this is the message recieved.
How sad x
Now there seems to be five young women who because of the nature
of abuse repression and societies inability to come to terms with the underclass
(Not my opinion just the way it is) have lost their lives.
If you are vunerable , you are expendable and have asked for the treat you deserve, this is the message recieved.
How sad x 
Sex God
Quote by ambervixen
I hope that society is changing, even slowly and only a little to stop other women from being killed so easily. Maybe if nothing else this will spur the government into changing the laws so that women will be protected.
Amber
Amber, I'm quouting you as you were the most recent to state the point but as I have mentioned earlier........there are already places for working girls to go to work orther than the street,
the only reason the government are even considering legalising it is due to the fact that they realise they are loosing tax revenue from workers!!
Changing the law will actually make the situation worse rather than better........x
To show how all women are vunerbale and at risk these days I'll tell you what happened to me a few weeks back.
As most of you know I'm a nurse and mainly work nights which means at times I could be travelling all sorts of distance, through all types of country lanes alone and late at night or in the early hours. One night I was coming home about , not much traffic on the roads when I was flashed by a car behind me, who indicated for me to stop. Needless to say, as the car didn't have Police emblazened all over it and no flashing blue lights, I ignored it and kept driving. Thankfully, I was approaching an all night service station so I pulled in. The car followed me and stopped outside. I asked the attenadant to let me in the shop as I was being followed and promptly called the Police.
Unfortunately I didn't get chance to catch the number plate or a description of the driver and when the realisation of what could have happened had sunk in, I was pretty shaken up. I've been instructed and trained as a lone worker so I knew what to do in this situation. I've also been given a personal attack alarm by my company. I dread to think what could have happened if it had been someone who didn't know how to react to this.
Please girls, take care and be extra vigilant, regardless of where you live and what you are doing.
Stay safe
As most of you know I'm a nurse and mainly work nights which means at times I could be travelling all sorts of distance, through all types of country lanes alone and late at night or in the early hours. One night I was coming home about , not much traffic on the roads when I was flashed by a car behind me, who indicated for me to stop. Needless to say, as the car didn't have Police emblazened all over it and no flashing blue lights, I ignored it and kept driving. Thankfully, I was approaching an all night service station so I pulled in. The car followed me and stopped outside. I asked the attenadant to let me in the shop as I was being followed and promptly called the Police.
Unfortunately I didn't get chance to catch the number plate or a description of the driver and when the realisation of what could have happened had sunk in, I was pretty shaken up. I've been instructed and trained as a lone worker so I knew what to do in this situation. I've also been given a personal attack alarm by my company. I dread to think what could have happened if it had been someone who didn't know how to react to this.
Please girls, take care and be extra vigilant, regardless of where you live and what you are doing.
Stay safe
I heard an interview with the father of one the women on radio 4 this morning. I only heard part of it though because I switched off at one point. The guy was obviously very distraught and he hadn't seen his daughter for years. Anyway I digress, the woman interviewing him referred to his daughter as a prostitute and he clearly said "I don't like hearing that word, I prefer lady of the night" Despite his obvious discomfort of her using that word to refer to his daughter the very next sentence that came out of her mouth refered again to his daughter being a prostitute.
Tactless and/or just reading from a list of scripted questions? Either way it angered me so I switched off and missed the rest of the interview.
Tactless and/or just reading from a list of scripted questions? Either way it angered me so I switched off and missed the rest of the interview.
In answer to the original question, I would be less pissed at my partner for being with a prostitute than for him not to go to the Police if he had seen something of importance to any major crime.
So many people look the other way these days for fear of recrimination when spotting something that could potentially save someone's life and times like that is when you need to get your priorities in order
So many people look the other way these days for fear of recrimination when spotting something that could potentially save someone's life and times like that is when you need to get your priorities in order
Warming the Bed
In answer to the original question. Yes you should go and give witness to the police and I would hope the police would respect your anonimity. Hopefully by going forward this will assist in the arrest of this individual/s.
I too am concerned about the descriptions used by the police and some of the media concerning the 'lifestyle' of those victims. However, there had to be a mention of what they may or may not have done for an income as a warning to those others in that industry in that area.
What distressed me more last night was the interview with the dad who sent his daughter £15 and was not aware she was in this industry. What we dont know and the world doesnt know - and also to be frank has got nothing to do with us - is that it could have been a parttime occupation. How do we know that these victims are fulltime in the sex industry.
In low income areas of the country its not uncommon for both male/female to have fulltime day jobs and earn extra income in the evening to help pay bills - not as the media and police are making out - to fullfill drug cravings!
The picture being painted here of these ladies is that they are seedly drug hooked prostitues. This is wrong and an insult to their memories.
A lot of us on this site, men and woman alike go dogging, cruising etc for sex in areas very similar to where these victims were found. Indeed, a body was found near a dogging site listed on the search engine here. How would you all feel if you or a member of your family were the vistim and the police/media said you were a prostitute fueling a drug habit?
The reporting of this has got out of hand.
I do also hope that the police will think of victims and their families. Last night when the other two bodies had been found they speculated that these ladies were two other ladies who had been reported missing. This was before a formal identification. God forbid if they had got this wrong.
Also, the Chief Constable whittered on on the news that he has provided increased protection to prostitutes in the Ipswich area and increased drug counselling. Has he?
Finally, we all need to be carefull both female and male in what we do in the night in areas such as this -and indeed when arranging to meet people.
Let us pray they catch the person/s responsible.
As they used to say on Hill Street - Be careful out there.
I too am concerned about the descriptions used by the police and some of the media concerning the 'lifestyle' of those victims. However, there had to be a mention of what they may or may not have done for an income as a warning to those others in that industry in that area.
What distressed me more last night was the interview with the dad who sent his daughter £15 and was not aware she was in this industry. What we dont know and the world doesnt know - and also to be frank has got nothing to do with us - is that it could have been a parttime occupation. How do we know that these victims are fulltime in the sex industry.
In low income areas of the country its not uncommon for both male/female to have fulltime day jobs and earn extra income in the evening to help pay bills - not as the media and police are making out - to fullfill drug cravings!
The picture being painted here of these ladies is that they are seedly drug hooked prostitues. This is wrong and an insult to their memories.
A lot of us on this site, men and woman alike go dogging, cruising etc for sex in areas very similar to where these victims were found. Indeed, a body was found near a dogging site listed on the search engine here. How would you all feel if you or a member of your family were the vistim and the police/media said you were a prostitute fueling a drug habit?
The reporting of this has got out of hand.
I do also hope that the police will think of victims and their families. Last night when the other two bodies had been found they speculated that these ladies were two other ladies who had been reported missing. This was before a formal identification. God forbid if they had got this wrong.
Also, the Chief Constable whittered on on the news that he has provided increased protection to prostitutes in the Ipswich area and increased drug counselling. Has he?
Finally, we all need to be carefull both female and male in what we do in the night in areas such as this -and indeed when arranging to meet people.
Let us pray they catch the person/s responsible.
As they used to say on Hill Street - Be careful out there.
Sexpert
Again away from the thread title. Ive been appalled at the 'dramatisation' of these events in particular the sky news coverage.
The suggestion by a sky news reporter and a senior one at that tonight, that its about time the police had some evidence/information after such a long time, said more about this news channels perogative to be the breaking news channel on this, rather than covering it with some degree of compassion for the victims and their families.
I also disagree that we should legalise prostitution, I dont think we should accept a society that accepts that its ok for a women to sell her body for money. Just my opinion.
The suggestion by a sky news reporter and a senior one at that tonight, that its about time the police had some evidence/information after such a long time, said more about this news channels perogative to be the breaking news channel on this, rather than covering it with some degree of compassion for the victims and their families.
I also disagree that we should legalise prostitution, I dont think we should accept a society that accepts that its ok for a women to sell her body for money. Just my opinion.
Quote by Rising
I also disagree that we should legalise prostitution, I dont think we should accept a society that accepts that its ok for a women to sell her body for money. Just my opinion.
But surely she should have a legal choice ???
Yes i agree that some women are forced in to it, but surely if "society" accepted it more rather than ignoring and hoping it will go away (which it will not) the 'black-market' status would be almost eradicated.
Just because a woman sells her body for money, does not and should not put her in a different society of us and them
Sex working is legal in the UK. But it is done under the guise of massage parlours, escort agencies and 'walk ins', which are the traditional one girl and a madam setup.. There are operational codes of conduct which the majority of establishments abide by. Its good business if they do. Street prostituion is illegal because it can create unacceptable situations which the public should expect not to have to encounter. So this aspect of sex working won't be legalised, for the forseeable future.
Unfortunately we in the UK don't seem to be able to conduct prostitution with the same ease and expertise as other nations. Most major cities in Europe have famous streets for hookers. They are a joy to walk down. Somehow we just don't have the same style for it and what does go out on the streets is pretty bog standard in terms of quality and style. Privately its a much more entertaining selection, and high class hookers command formidable prices.
Unfortunately we in the UK don't seem to be able to conduct prostitution with the same ease and expertise as other nations. Most major cities in Europe have famous streets for hookers. They are a joy to walk down. Somehow we just don't have the same style for it and what does go out on the streets is pretty bog standard in terms of quality and style. Privately its a much more entertaining selection, and high class hookers command formidable prices.
Quote by Juniper_couple
I also disagree that we should legalise prostitution, I dont think we should accept a society that accepts that its ok for a women to sell her body for money. Just my opinion.
But surely she should have a legal choice ???
Yes i agree that some women are forced in to it, but surely if "society" accepted it more rather than ignoring and hoping it will go away (which it will not) the 'black-market' status would be almost eradicated.
Just because a woman sells her body for money, does not and should not put her in a different society of us and them
My thoughts exactly- surely an individual has the right to "rent out" their body if they so wish.
Lets hope that those responsible are caught, and receive justice- fast.
Sex God
Quote by poshkate
A very good point. Is it now time to take this job off the streets and put it in well run establishments were everyone can be protected. With a legal standing.
I think actually (and this is just my opinion) that there are plenty of places that girls can work where they are offered differing levels of protection from the management, so if it is a genuine choice to work they are able to decide wheher to work on the streets or within a brothel. As for those that are not working for themselves and are being pimped I expect that this is not the case.
As for your second point about making it legal, I think I can quite safely say that the majority of the working girls in this country would rather the law stays as it is.......
As I have no contact with working girls this was just a point I floated.
Sex God
I just heard Anne Widdecomb being interviewed on BBC Southern Counties Radio about the prospect of a ban on prostitution, she addmitted it wouldnt work. Personally i think prostitution would be much safer if it was licensed, this way people would know where the women/men were at all times, this would make them less of an easy target. I could go into this in detail but i wont. I think it should be the way forward.
