Puzzled...?

3 Jul 2004

Quote by westerross
If you head off to the outer rim of the universe I think the theory is you never reach it because you start travelling asymtotically to the outer rim. Hence the universe is infinite and so you can't reach the edge. If you do and you've got a Red Bull in you you might find the answer to Rocky's question.
Any volunteers? I think it requires quite a lot of dedication!

The universe may not have an edge: The galaxies are on the whole moving directly away from us in all directions, which places us at the exact centre of the universe. But, assuming there's nothing special about us and the universe looks the same from any other vantage point, that would mean it has no absolute centre and therefore no edge, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's infinite:
Consider the 2 dimensional surface of a 3 dimensional sphere. Make it a balloon with dots drawn all over it. Slowly inflate it and look at the dots. From the point of view of any particular dot, all the other dots are moving directly away and the space between them is expanding. There is no absolute centre to the surface, every direction is the same and you can travel right round it without reaching any edge. The universe may be similar by analogy - the 3 dimensional surface of a 4 dimensional 'hypersphere', which, like the surface of the balloon, is finite and yet has no boundary.
I will continue later, hopefully I'll be pissed enough to go into outrageously weird detail about Life, the Universe, and... Stuff. biggrin

:D
Ice

3 Jul 2004

you guessed Rocky. Although I am seriousely trying to get my head around the relativity posts, I found them interesting theories and answers from you guys.

3 Jul 2004

Embarasingly, I too must admit that I also (in a loft somewhere!) have a copy of the 7" single of Marvin the Paranoid Android performing "Reasons to be Miserable" ...! redface

I was young, y'know? lol

Looking forward to Auntie Beeb re-uniting the original Hitch-Hikers cast for a new radio production of the last books in the series next year! Ah, rest wel Douglas Adams - you went too soon! :cry:
Who said this site was just about shagging...?!

3 Jul 2004

Top Marvin quote:
"Please don't try to engage my enthusiasm as I haven't got one."
lol

3 Jul 2004

Or:
"Do you want me to go and stand in the corner and rust? Or should I just fall apart where I'm standing?"
rotflmao

3 Jul 2004

Now the world has gone to bed,
Darkness won't engulf my head,
I can see by infra-red,
How I hate the night.
Now I lay me down to sleep,
Try to count electric sheep,
Sweet dream wishes you can keep,
How I hate the night

3 Jul 2004

"I've been ordered to take you down to the bridge. Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to take you down to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction? 'Cos I don't."
lol

3 Jul 2004

I have often pondered that time is an illusion. It does not exist. There is only now and there has only ever been now. Do you physicists agree or disagree?

3 Jul 2004

Quote by Ice Pie
If you head off to the outer rim of the universe I think the theory is you never reach it because you start travelling asymtotically to the outer rim. Hence the universe is infinite and so you can't reach the edge. If you do and you've got a Red Bull in you you might find the answer to Rocky's question.
Any volunteers? I think it requires quite a lot of dedication!

The universe may not have an edge: The galaxies are on the whole moving directly away from us in all directions, which places us at the exact centre of the universe. But, assuming there's nothing special about us and the universe looks the same from any other vantage point, that would mean it has no absolute centre and therefore no edge, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's infinite:
Consider the 2 dimensional surface of a 3 dimensional sphere. Make it a balloon with dots drawn all over it. Slowly inflate it and look at the dots. From the point of view of any particular dot, all the other dots are moving directly away and the space between them is expanding. There is no absolute centre to the surface, every direction is the same and you can travel right round it without reaching any edge. The universe may be similar by analogy - the 3 dimensional surface of a 4 dimensional 'hypersphere', which, like the surface of the balloon, is finite and yet has no boundary.
I will continue later, hopefully I'll be pissed enough to go into outrageously weird detail about Life, the Universe, and... Stuff. biggrin

:D
Ice
Before I accept this you'll have to establish the 3 dimensional equivalent of asymtotic convergence. I don't think it exists so I think you either don't get there in one dimension and you don't get there in two. If the fourth dimension exists then what happens in three is floating at the bottom of my glass of Grenache Shiraz judging by the way my eyes are moving!!

3 Jul 2004

What you want to do is fly really,really quickly and make the earth spin backwards,so that Lois doesn't suffocate in that car

3 Jul 2004

I have found my reading buddy and right now we are ploughing through Stephen Hawkings 'A Brief History of Time' - well not right now, cos typing this, but you know what I mean rolleyes

I first tried to read it about 5 years ago - but only managed to limp to page 3 before becoming completely baffled blink

as much by the big words as by the theories. So I closed it and put it back on my bookshelf to gather dust........ but in a prominent place, so everyone could see it and think I was bluddy clever cool

So now I have found my reading buddy and we started reading about a month ago, and guess what!!!! we are about to start on page 3!!! :happy: Not only reaching page 3, but have had it all explained to me as we go along, in proper terms. The people still have big strange names like Ptolemy, but when it's then described to me like 'this bloke called Ptolemy said', it all seems so much clearer biggrin

Whereas before, I reached page 3, but with a glazed look on my face and clueless as to how the story was progressing :undecided:
So I will bring this thread back when the book is completed and explain absolutely everything to you ........ probably about October time ....... 2018 confused

And if anyone has read it already ......... then don't tell me how it ends!!!! I don't want to know they fall in love and live happily ever after, it will just ruin the suspense of the story for me ok :roll:
All this had brought me back to a question I heard a while ago ........
If you're in a car traveling at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on, does anything happen? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

3 Jul 2004

:inlove: :inlove:

:rotflmao:
Boy do I love this girl...

3 Jul 2004

Misschief in theory, nothing would happen, but a lot depends on if the light is clean polyogimal light or partical crowded anti sepenical light. In our type of polluted atmosphere, the light refractions that would occur from particulate matter, would slow down the light emitted from the cars beams and theoretically leave the light behind you however, the cathodiastic volumes of light intensified from the glass on the headlight would emit at greater density than standard candle power. If the refractions on the reflections are greater than the spasmodic sepenical light, the beams speed would match that of the vehicles speed thus leaving you in a non light environment. If the atmosphere was a clean atmosphere with no particulate matter nor any light polution from other sources then you would experiance an arrora light that whilst appearing not to move would move at the same speed as you.
MY only other advice would be ....dont switch on your interior light or you will fluck up my theory.

3 Jul 2004

Girl do I love this boy ( metaphorically of course)!!

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

3 Jul 2004

What Davej wrote ..............

Quote by davej
Misschief in theory, nothing would happen, but a lot depends on if the light is clean polyogimal light or partical crowded anti sepenical light. In our type of polluted atmosphere, the light refractions that would occur from particulate matter, would slow down the light emitted from the cars beams and theoretically leave the light behind you however, the cathodiastic volumes of light intensified from the glass on the headlight would emit at greater density than standard candle power. If the refractions on the reflections are greater than the spasmodic sepenical light, the beams speed would match that of the vehicles speed thus leaving you in a non light environment. If the atmosphere was a clean atmosphere with no particulate matter nor any light polution from other sources then you would experiance an arrora light that whilst appearing not to move would move at the same speed as you.
MY only other advice would be ....dont switch on your interior light or you will fluck up my theory.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
What actually sank in................

Quote by davej
Misschief
dont switch on your interior light or you will fluck up my theory.

3 Jul 2004

Shall we go by train instead?

3 Jul 2004

Quote by MISSCHIEF
What Davej wrote ..............
Misschief
dont switch on your interior light or you will fluck up my theory.

Plus how will you read your book if you don't turn the light on confused

3 Jul 2004

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

3 Jul 2004

Quote by celticq
Plus how will you read your book if you don't turn the light on

Sweet lady that you are, if your reading whilst driving at the speed of light please wear a seat belt at least

3 Jul 2004

Quote by MISSCHIEF
What Davej wrote ..............
Misschief in theory, nothing would happen, but a lot depends on if the light is clean polyogimal light or partical crowded anti sepenical light. In our type of polluted atmosphere, the light refractions that would occur from particulate matter, would slow down the light emitted from the cars beams and theoretically leave the light behind you however, the cathodiastic volumes of light intensified from the glass on the headlight would emit at greater density than standard candle power. If the refractions on the reflections are greater than the spasmodic sepenical light, the beams speed would match that of the vehicles speed thus leaving you in a non light environment. If the atmosphere was a clean atmosphere with no particulate matter nor any light polution from other sources then you would experiance an arrora light that whilst appearing not to move would move at the same speed as you.
MY only other advice would be ....dont switch on your interior light or you will fluck up my theory.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
What actually sank in................

Quote by davej
Misschief
dont switch on your interior light or you will fluck up my theory.

Yes but FFS if you don't do that your sepenical light will disappear up your polygimal light and your arrora will be exposed - God some people - honestly!!!

3 Jul 2004

As a result of reading this thread I've now got Hot Gossip in my head.
"I lost my heart to a starship trouper - flashing lights in hyper space"

3 Jul 2004

Now I might be a bit slow, but I have this feeling that despite my best efforts in dragging up all my knowledge about light (that was taught to me by Harry when I did three weeks in the local B&Q lighting department), that you are not taking my answer seriously.

3 Jul 2004

Quote by westerross
Boy do I love this girl...

Swoon :inlove: 69position

Quote by westerross
Yes but FFS if you don't do that your sepenical light will disappear up your polygimal light and your arrora will be exposed - God some people - honestly!!!

........... and thud back down to earth (or wherever)!!! :confused:

3 Jul 2004

Quote by davej
Now I might be a bit slow, but I have this feeling that despite my best efforts in dragging up all my knowledge about light (that was taught to me by Harry when I did three weeks in the local B&Q lighting department), that you are not taking my answer seriously.

Yes, my friend it was pure Bollox and I can't give it an higher accolade than that. If you don't take pure Bollox seriously then you don't.

3 Jul 2004

Quote by davej
Now I might be a bit slow, but I have this feeling that despite my best efforts in dragging up all my knowledge about light (that was taught to me by Harry when I did three weeks in the local B&Q lighting department), that you are not taking my answer seriously.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Here here ........ I agree, Dave that really was pure bollox of the highest degree
I think :undecided:
It didn't actually make sense did it?? dunno

I mean if Harry from B&Q lighting said it, then there must be something there!

3 Jul 2004

Quote by MISSCHIEF
I think :undecided:
It didn't actually make sense did it?? !

It was actually a serious answer, I suppose being studious and serious isnt really me so back to the norm from now on.
oh and by the way....he gets ill.

3 Jul 2004

Quote by davej
oh and by the way....he gets ill.

That's not the ending of the book you've just given me is it???? You bastard!!! lol

what's the point of me reading it all now, if I know the ending! smackbottom

4 Jul 2004

Quote by westerross
If you head off to the outer rim of the universe I think the theory is you never reach it because you start travelling asymtotically to the outer rim. Hence the universe is infinite and so you can't reach the edge. If you do and you've got a Red Bull in you you might find the answer to Rocky's question.
Any volunteers? I think it requires quite a lot of dedication!

The universe may not have an edge: The galaxies are on the whole moving directly away from us in all directions, which places us at the exact centre of the universe. But, assuming there's nothing special about us and the universe looks the same from any other vantage point, that would mean it has no absolute centre and therefore no edge, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's infinite:
Consider the 2 dimensional surface of a 3 dimensional sphere. Make it a balloon with dots drawn all over it. Slowly inflate it and look at the dots. From the point of view of any particular dot, all the other dots are moving directly away and the space between them is expanding. There is no absolute centre to the surface, every direction is the same and you can travel right round it without reaching any edge. The universe may be similar by analogy - the 3 dimensional surface of a 4 dimensional 'hypersphere', which, like the surface of the balloon, is finite and yet has no boundary.
I will continue later, hopefully I'll be pissed enough to go into outrageously weird detail about Life, the Universe, and... Stuff. biggrin

:D
Ice
Before I accept this you'll have to establish the 3 dimensional equivalent of asymtotic convergence.
In Euclidean 2-Space, the asymptote, as you know, is a line tending to zero length. In 3-space it is a plane in a Cartesian co-ordinate manifold defined by the tangent and the direction of rotation. The product of the two co-ordinates is a vector converging on zero in the same way as the 2-D asymptote tends to a dimensionless point. For nonrotating systems (universes) the vector is zero to begin with, and the result is indistinguishable from the static circle solution. You will notice from this that in both cases the unmeasured "higher" dimension is irrelevant and thus the "hyperdiameter" of 4-space may be any value without affecting the volume of the 3-D surface of the hypersphere.

I don't think it exists so I think you either don't get there in one dimension and you don't get there in two. If the fourth dimension exists then what happens in three is floating at the bottom of my glass of Grenache Shiraz judging by the way my eyes are moving!!

The existence of the 4th dimension is unproven, but strongly supported by Laplace, Einstein, et al: It's hard to see how GR would work without it. I pray to almighty Bacchus that none of this will make the slightest sense to me in the morning when I'm sober. wink

Ice

4 Jul 2004

Quote by MISSCHIEF
If you're in a car traveling at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on, does anything happen? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

You can't travel at the speed of light in a car. You can, however, get as close to it as you like, and when you turn your headlights on you will observe nothing out of the ordinary because the light doesn't care how fast you are moving relative to wherever you started from - as far as the light is concerned, you, and everyone else is moving at the same speed relative to the light. Light is observed to travel at the same speed by all observers, regardless of how they are moving. Co-moving observers measuring the same speed for light from a single source is explained by time dilation, whereby the expected discrepancy between the measurements of the two observers is countered by their differing measurements of the passage of time relative to each other.
If this makes sense to you, you are very likely insane. biggrin

:D
Ice xxx

4 Jul 2004

Quote by MISSCHIEF
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If you're in a car traveling at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on, does anything happen? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

How our friend Ice Pie can say you can't travel at the speed of light in a car beats me! FFS this is SH you can do anything.
My guess is (and it is only a guess 'cos I've already got 9 points on me licence) is that what happens is that the car will start Swinging - nothing comes out of the headlights but you should see what comes out of the brakelights!! Now if you're doing this in reverse I don't believe you because you're probably in C5 and one of the Professionals.
QED (TM Arti)